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I have been looking for the past couple of days. into doing a course in book binding. Now I know that books themselves seem to be dying out, however I have some old/antique books that I want to preserve with leather binding and I would like to give it a go myself.
It appears that it is harder to find somewhere to do this than first thought. There is a course at RMIT in Melbourne, however lack of numbers etc, didn't see the course run. So I contacted a private book binder and he does run courses, however it is $1200 for a 5 day course! (Yikes!) So it got me thinking, what other skills/art forms will we lose within the next few years? If no-one trains anyone on how these things are done, the skills will be lost forever. So what would you like to see made readily available to everyone to learn or what would skill would you like to learn if you had the time? Cheers Col
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Book binding ey.I dont think too many people read books these days.To much stuff on the internet to read.Good luck in doing this.
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i learnt to do a bit of book binding when i was in high school - "book and leather work class", but have not done any since. i could probably still remember enough to get a job done but dont know how good it would be ??. lol.
i wouldn`t mind learning a bit of blacksmithing if i had the time. thats a trade thats nearly redundant now too. some other dying trades would be bootmakers, watchmakers, TV/ radio repairers.
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These are skills that will soon be lost unfortunately....
Everybody wants everything in a hurry, for less money and the quality lacks. Skills are being lost. I wouldn't even know where you would start to look to learn how to be a watch repairer/TV Repairer etc..or how you would learn blacksmithing....Probably start looking on the internet ![]()
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Decent panel beaters that still make panels out of a flat piece of steel,can leadwipe etc, not even gonna start on the mostly gone skill of good old fashioned `customer service` lol
(was taught how to bookbind in primary school but thats one skill I`ve long forgotten lol)
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I think book binding would be awesome to do! I love the smell of old leather and material bound books, none of that soft cover stuff. I'd like to do leadlighting, I think that would be cool.
The rise of the franchise jeweller has also seen the demise of silversmithing, why get something made just for you when you can buy one of 5000, or 50,000 straight off the shelf and don't have to wait...?
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I actually did a lead lighting course back in '96. Made a window for our toilet in the house we built. Was awesome!
I have found a book binding course that is 4 weeks- 3hrs a night, one day a week for a total of $360 and that includes materials. ![]()
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Lead Wiping ... and old school panel beating is a dying art!
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A lot of skills are being lost. Now it's too easy to buy a replacement, instead of repairing what's worn.
Panelbeating/leadwiping (as mentioned) is becoming a lost skill. Who gets their shoes repaired by the cobbler? Are dressmakers limited to wedding gear? Watchmakers? Thousands of printsetters? I went looking for a welder in North Brisbane recently, and eventually got told that old "such and such" is the welder in the area. It stands out that in an industrial suburb (Brendale), only one bloke is recognised (by other professionals) for his talent in welding.
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heres a lost artform
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I want to see a photo of your bound book once you're done! Good luck with it!
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he is doing the fairlane and he will always get my business! english wheel is his middle name! been doing rust since the early 1980's and will continue todo so!
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blacksmithing is something id love to learn and watchmaking don't get me started i collect watches and the detail and craftsmanship that goes into some of the high end complications tourbillons, minute repeaters etc amazes me.
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![]() this was the result of another panel beater having a go at the valiant .. saw the job was too big and bogged it up!
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Bookbinding!
I have a bloke in my area who makes his living out of bookbinding. He works out of his garage, has a 120yr old steam press which he still uses every day to get the job done. I have had over 70 books rebound by him, and they are all apsolutely flawless, and at a seriously good rate too. I know that one day he will retire, and I just don't know where im going to turn to get my old rare books taken care of. In todays throw-away society It would appear that there will a be a number of arts dying out. Bookbinding being one, along with other notables such as panel beating, leadwiping, pinstriping, carpentry, gunsmithing, hunting, cookery, blacksmithing, leadlighting, embroidery, tapestry, dancing, leatherworking,.... the list could keep going! I have wondered which of those 'arts' I might be able to learn, just so they aren't lost quite so quickly. My Grandfather was a Gunsmith, the smell of rifle oil, wood stain and polish and the lathes still resonate in my mind from time to time. But Port Arthur put an end to that career aspiration almost overnight. |
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I used to be a member of a historical railway museum in the Hunter valley and we had a member who was a blacksmith. he used to make components for the restoration of the boilers but I remember him saying his would be the last generation of "smithys"
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Using hand tools not power tools.My old man borrowed my circular saw,jig saw and some clamps and my long straight edge to cut some Masonite for his kitchen so he could lay new lino...Well he said the circular saw was too aggressive and chipped all the edges and the jig saw didn't cut straight lines.So he marked it all with the straight edge and cut it all out with a hand saw!
And when I got there I fitted skirting just to complete the job.His hand cuts were awesome...old boy had skills. Mex351 |
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A decent farrier is another thing that's had to find. Try finding a farrier that can hot shoe and make his own shoes. Not many of those guys around. Most these days grab the shoes from a packet and slap them on cold.
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As well as the likes of "Dazz" (XA GT Resto) give us faith that there will always be craftsmen out there! Speaking of Blacksmiths... I remember an old guy with a small forge and "smithy shop" set-up down in Melbourne Rd. Newport that used to make Wool Bale grab hooks for me. His main product was hand forged wrought iron gates, fencing and post-top ornaments. I used to be mesmerized watching him work red-hot iron into absolute art forms. Last time I was there (probably 6 or 7 years ago) he said that after 60 years as a family business he was shutting due to imports of Chinese die-cast aluminum copies.
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I must be special, we have a comunity colouge that has book binding as one of its courses it was expencive (under $500.00) but its there.
Blacksmith, nope wouldnt know where to start, but i know plenty of oldskool beaters that know what an english wheel is and how to use it funny thing is none of them do it for a living, they practic their art in old sheds they hammer weld their pannels and lead wipe file finish at the end, its not a dying art by any means, but in the busienss world its all to time consuming and uneconomical to do it if you want some real artists go to allmetalshapers.com or even on ozrodders.com http://www.ozrodders.com/forum/viewt...hp?f=2&t=40062 http://www.ozrodders.com/forum/viewt...8&hilit=ynotu2 Theres some VERY Skilled guys on ozrodders, one I know personaly is also a member here, so that art isnt dead if you scratch below the serface, its all their you just need to ask a few questions is all
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The skills of ceramic laying of tiling are nothing compared to what it once was.
Lots of jobs have been dumbed down as we now have people who have only experience in a small field even bank managers don't know everything but they once did and the loan managers position have been dumbed down as are the tellers, some stupid beyond belief as they can't retain jack about procedure and have to run off and ask. all having gone to uni ![]() ![]() |
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i wish i paid more attention to the old boys when i was doing my apprenticeship..
old school toolmakers and pattern makers.. clever as ****.. if i could remember half of what they have probably forgotten i would be a far better tradesman... post up some pics of these dead sea scrolls when you're finished binding them up Col... ![]() |
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Give a fitter apprentice a file these days and watch what happens.......
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