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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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So what do you think about this Law some are getting done for now.
So if your mate drives off from your place or even the pub and gets picked up over the alcohol limit or you are in the car with him you will get cop a fine as well. and if old mate is speeding to with you in the car. Or is this just another one for our country heading down the Nazi path even more so. |
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really i call bs. i cant stop my mate speeding whilst sitting in the passenger seat
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where is this state wise (nsw?) |
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Sun City, North Australis
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er... and when did the law change? what state and what section?
or are we just spreading more internet rumours? a link? If your in a car with a L plater and your drunk.. or they are drunk then yes you cop a fine. If your in the car and it causes an accident becuase the driver was driving dangerously and kills someone then yes to that to...
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Not sure about other states but I'm pretty sure this is effective in Victoria
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I watched a story on this on ACA or TT or whatever show it was...Just watched it as I was passing and heard it (my story and I am sticking to it)
Basically if you know the driver is drunk and you get into the car with them then you can be done for aiding and abeiting.(I think that was the term) Seriously, if your mate(s) value you as a friend, they would respect your advice and not drive whilst drunk and if you get in a car with them knowing that, then more fool you. As for the speeding bit...don't know about that part as I didn't catch that part of the story.
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We used to get threatened by the police as kids with 'in the company of' - so if anyone you were with was doing something illegal, etc. you would get nabbed too - even if you weren't doing it. I don't know if the law even existed - but it worked for me.
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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Cant find any articles online....
In certain criminal matters like murder, hiding or assisting a criminal the law is clear and its written. Drink driving isnt a criminal offence and its a traffic matter. Unless the actual law is amended to say it (its clearly written in regards to supervising an L plater) then its just a load of ACA beat up. Find the relevent section in the drink driving section of the traffic act/ road use act and see if its been changed........ The only other way is if a magistrate has set a precidence, which is another matter. (not that i condone driving with ya drunk mate etc..)
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Good throw the drunk driver and his wife and kids in jail to if they drive drunk with him i have zero tolerance for it far as im concerned grab the guy who was riding by on his bike at the time aswell and give him me a slap just to let the public know ur there thats how india rolls
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Drink driving is a crime. If you are convicted of drink driving you do get a criminal record. Various other traffic offences are not however.
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I would be very inclined to fight the matter in court, if I were to be charged with an "Aiding and Abetting" offence.
For example.... how am I to be criminally negligent as to the commision of a crime such a speeding, where it can happen in a matter of seconds? for example 3 km/h over the limit is now commonly applied as "speeding". How can anyone reasonably expect a passenger to have somehow prevented that "act" from occuring. That is just one example where it is just beyond ridiculous. As for the people who will bring up drink driving, I argue that in some cases, 0.05 is barely detectable by your average person. The "drink driver" could be solid as a rock, speaking as normal, walking fine. However a breathyliser test may say otherwise. How can the state hold someone criminally culpable for something they just couldn't have known or interpreted without specialist equipment, such as the sobriety level of another person? I would place it upon the state to prove intent and execution of my supposed offence. What garbage they would dream up wouldn't be out of place on Judge Judy. I also argue, that in this day and age, an otherwise uninvolved person ie; a bystander to someone apsolutely drunk trying get behind the wheel would be more likely to cop a punch to the face by an angry drunk because they meddled in someone else business. Our society today isn't one where such acts of charity or concern are necessarily welcome. I myself have been witness to such an assault in Sydney approximately one year ago. I definately made me think twice before ever intervening into the wellbeing of another bloke. This aiding and abetting is seriously just another bs stab at our once free and easy society. |
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The Law will have a number of elements that have to be met, such as, John Smith travelled in a vehicle driven by Michael Jones, knowing that the driver of the vehicle was full of p!ss.
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I was in a car accident where I was driving & going too fast. When it went to court my mate admitted egging me on to see how fast the car would go.
But at the end of the day they said that the driver is ultimatly responsible. I doubt that this law would be the case regarding traffic offences. Or what would happen if a bus driver with a full load of passengers got done for speeding, would the passengers get a fine aswell. I could see it being applicable for other offences though, under the right circumstances. Sounds like another media beat up on a slow news day |
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I found the story. It was on Today Tonight
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Location: Country Vic
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Drivers ,Passengers,Innocents,all the same,..........2.00am whateva,cutting people out of vehicles isnt anyones fun,yeah i get ****ed off with this,us,Police,Ambo's, & everyone called or paged to a code 1 rescue.
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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Love this idea, from now on every accident is the passengers fault.
Your worship, the passenger misread the speedo due to parallax and thought I was doing 101 in a 100 zone so immediately grabbed the hand brake so as to save themselves for the $100 per week for the rest of your life fine which is now the penalty for exceeding the speed limit by more than 0.05 km/h causing my car to veer into the oncoming lane and therefore running the petrol truck into the kindergarten . But wait, Ford made car that could exceed the speed limit and the speedo that was not calibrated for back seat drivers.....it is their fault.... Ah but the federal government gave Ford money to build these cars.....it is their fault.... Yep....it is always someone else's fault.....blame them. |
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The defence for this would be to say you were drunk and the driver appeared to be sober. Of have they made drunk passengering illegal too now?
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Ve vill have National Laws, but not tell ze people!!
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![]() And the law hasn't "changed"...they're just dredging up a century old law called "aiding and abetting" that they haven't really bothered much with for a while, but which they must have decided could be profitably put to good use in cases like this...it's always been around, and is still a valid law that you can be charged under. It isn't "new". By the traffic head honcho on the TV tonight, expect to see a lot more of it. Just one of those laws that's still on the books and has always been there for thier discretionary use. As they said, they asked one magistrate about it and he wasn't aware of it, yet two of his cases that day involved someone in that very situation...being in a car driven by someone over the limit. It's all in the interests of road safety, don'tcha know... ![]() |
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I can see a good case for it when the car is doing a burn out and the passengers are leaning out the windows fist pumping into the air
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if it was on tt, it cannot be a media beat up
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sorry officer.. i would really like too help you out.. but i was watching jimmy.. and jimmy was watching a bull ant.....
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I have said it before and at the risk of repeating myself "The media do not report the news, they create the news" |
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It's stupid if you get in trouble of small traffic offences. It's 3am in the middle of no where. My mates doing 105 in a 100 zone. He thinks it's not a big deal. Do I ask him to drop me off in the middle of no where or do I just pull up the hand brake?
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