Ford performance

[NIGHTHAWK]

So what ford built car warrants "the performance tag". An xy gt, an xd v8, an eb gt, any of the xr6/8 the ba fpv s.? Or maybe anyone of the cars built by ford from the sixties to now, that has been modified to "your" liking. That is built the way ford should have built it?

[CAMS290]

This is my Personal list, XR GT, XW phase 1 & 2, XY Phase 3, XA RPO,
All the XR 6's before the BA, ED XR8 Sprint, AU T3's and 250 Pursuit, BA XR6 Turbos.
BA MkII 6 speed GT/GT-P/Pursuit. The redone F6 Typhoon/Tornado

All above being factory stock, the rest were nothing special compared with their rivals

[Steffo]

At one point the XF Falcon S 4.1 Alloy Head EFI was Ford's sportiest car.. depends on the series of Falcon you're looking at.

[Mike Gayner]

He appears to be asking about Fords in general, not just Falcons. Didn't ford once build a factory drag car, I think it was called the Thunderbolt or something, with a ridiculously large big block that ran 12s. Am I just making this up? I'm sure I remember reading about it. Obviously an American car.

Can't forget the Shelby Muzzers and of course the Ford GT40.

[NIGHTHAWK]

Originally Posted by CAMS290

This is my Personal list, XR GT, XW phase 1 & 2, XY Phase 3, XA RPO,
All the XR 6's before the BA, ED XR8 Sprint, AU T3's and 250 Pursuit, BA XR6 Turbos.
BA MkII 6 speed GT/GT-P/Pursuit. The redone F6 Typhoon/Tornado

All above being factory stock, the rest were nothing special compared with their rivals

Cams290- you have answered my question. Someone who shall remain anon said, in a discussion, that the xr6,s, were not a performance vehicle by any stretch of the imagination.
Steffo- do you know what ford actually did to the xf s. I am running the original tyres on it and it goes faster than 185 klms an hour. 215/65 hr14. This was done on the old airport at eagle farm,so no one was around.

from the factory.... all the GT's and the XR6 Turbo. thats about it.

But any of the cars can be modified to be high performance, all you need is $$$$$$

[Steffo]

Well, if we're talking all-out performance.. 1967 Ford GT40 Mk4... 373kW 637Nm (500hp 470ftlbs) 7.0litre (427ci) Big Block V8, 1000kg (2200lbs) weight..

Pulled 0-100km/h in 3.2 seconds, did the 1/4 mile in 10.9 seconds, and went on to a 354km/h (221mph) top speed. No factory car was faster until the McLaren F1's release in 1993.

Originally Posted by NIGHTHAWK

Steffo- do you know what ford actually did to the xf s. I am running the original tyres on it and it goes faster than 185 klms an hour. 215/65 hr14. This was done on the old airport at eagle farm,so no one was around.

I'm not sure what you mean. The XF with the best engine, 4.1 EFI Alloy Head made 103kW and 316Nm. It was available with a 3 speed automatic, 4 speed manual, or 5 speed manual. Top speed in auto form was 175km/h. Apparantley, the five speed one could hit 200km/h, but I wouldn't want to try...

[Mike Gayner]

Originally Posted by damo351

from the factory.... all the GT's and the XR6 Turbo. thats about it.

What the hell? So the Ford GT40 (fastest production car on the planet at the time) isn't a performance car? The Typhoon/Tornado isn't a performance car? What about the Shelby Mustangs?

For those interested I found some info about the Thunderbolt I mentioned ealier.

Originally Posted by http://www.musclecarclub.com

The most exciting news of 1964 was a special Fairlane model designed for serious drag strip racing. Ford teamed up with Andy Hotten, of Dearborn Steel Tubing Co., to build 57 Fairlane based 427 powered race cars with a weight of around 3,203 lbs to compete on professional drag strips. These cars had fiberglass fenders, teardrop-shaped hood blisters (to clear the competition 427's high rise manifold and air cleaner), Plexiglass windows, lightweight police-package bucket seats, an air induction system with air intakes where the inner headlights used to be, 8,000 rpm Rotunda tachs, modified front suspensions (to fit the 427), and many special competition equipment features. Sunvisors, mirror, sound-deadening, armrests, even the jack and lug wrench were removed to save weight. The 425 bhp 427 big block was heavily modified and actually cranked out around 500 bhp. It was linked to a beefed-up Lincoln automatic with 4.58:1 gearing or a Borg Warner T-10 transmission with Hurst shifter with 4.44:1 gearing. Massive traction bars, asymmetrical rear springs, and a trunk mounted 95 pound bus battery helped to get all that power to the ground. The 1964 Ford Fairlane Special Performance Drag vehicles soon adopted the Thunderbolt name from the 1963 A/FX Fairlane drag race car and were also known as "T-bolts." Demand was strong enough to lead to a second order of 54 all white cars. Driver Gas Ronda dominated NHRA's 1964 World Championship by running his T-bolt through the quarter mile in 11.6 seconds at 124 mph. Of the 111 total built, at least 99 of them had manual transmission, and the first 11 were painted maroon, the rest were white.

Production: Thunderbolt: 100
Engines: 427 V8 425 bhp @ 6000 rpm, 480 lb-ft @ 3700 rpm.
Performance: Thunderbolt: 427/425: 1/4 mile in 11.76 seconds.

[loxxr6]

Didn't ford once build a factory drag car, I think it was called the Thunderbolt or something, with a ridiculously large big block that ran 12s.

They're awesome. I have a pic of one which has a headlight each side taken out and this massive aircon style ducting tubes leading to a dual carby intake. Top stuff.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Mike Gayner

What the hell? So the Ford GT40 (fastest production car on the planet at the time) isn't a performance car? The Typhoon/Tornado isn't a performance car? What about the Shelby Mustangs?

For those interested I found some info about the Thunderbolt I mentioned ealier.

That picture is a Fairlane, on which the Fairlane Thunderbolt was based. The Thunderbolt had only one head light each side and a fibreglass hood with a huge power bulge right in the middle.

[cogdoc]

Found die cast models on E-bay. I love the steering wheel, would be quite a handful with all that poke. Now why couldn't Ford do that to a BAGT....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...Name=WDVW&rd=1

[NIGHTHAWK]

The xf s 5 speed manual came down with a whopping 121kw.

[The MaDDeSTMaN]

Originally Posted by NIGHTHAWK

The xf s 5 speed manual came down with a whopping 121kw.

All depends when it was manufactured and what you consider more important, kW or torque...

According to Falcon Facts ( http://www.geocities.com/falconfacts.../xffalcon.html ), the most powerful Falcon before the the change to unleaded in January 1986 was the 4.1L Alloy Head EFI 6 cyl, with 120kW @ 4000rpm & 333Nm @ 3000rpm, after January 1986, it was the unleaded version of the same engine, with a slightly lower compression ratio (8.8:1 vs 8.7:1) 1kW more power (121kW @ 4000rpm)
but less torque (325Nm @ 3000rpm, down from 333Nm @ the same revs).

Having said that, I think I'd rather have my XF - even if it's not the most powerful (103kW @ 3750rpm/316Nm at 2400rpm), I'd much prefer to work with a carby then the EFI system the XFs had, and because it's an '85, no catalytic converter... :hihi:

Originally Posted by Steffo

I'm not sure what you mean. The XF with the best engine, 4.1 EFI Alloy Head made 103kW and 316Nm. It was available with a 3 speed automatic, 4 speed manual, or 5 speed manual.

Not sure where you got those figures from mate, those are the stats for the carby fed, pre-unleaded engine (mine), not the EFI...

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by The MaDDeSTMaN

Not sure where you got those figures from mate, those are the stats for the carby fed, pre-unleaded engine (mine), not the EFI...

Yeah sorry, got them mixed up, heh.

[Steffo]

Oh.. and here's another performance Ford...


1986 Ford RS200 Evo
2.1litre DOHC 16v Turbocharged inline-four
650bhp (485kW)
0-100km/h in 3 sec flat
0-160km/h in 6.9 sec
Standing-400m in 10.9 sec
Top Speed 330km/h

[The MaDDeSTMaN]

Originally Posted by Steffo

Oh.. and here's another performance Ford...


1986 Ford RS200 Evo
2.1litre DOHC 16v Turbocharged inline-four
650bhp (485kW)
0-100km/h in 3 sec flat
0-160km/h in 6.9 sec
Standing-400m in 10.9 sec
Top Speed 330km/h

MMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I'll have two, thanks

Although I'd settle for an Escort Cosworth...

Cosworth YBT engine 2.0 litre DOHC 16v Turbocharged inline-four
Max power 227bhp at 6250 rpm with max torque 220 lb.ft at 3500 rpm

I'd be happy with that, although I doubt the boost would stay stock forever... :hihi:

And of course, I couldn't say no to a Phase 3 GTHO...

*wanders off to dream in a corner*