Coyote XR8 still a year away

Road_Warrior · 28-01-2011, 01:03 PM

http://www.carpoint.com.au/news/2011...ear-away-23412

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The homegrown hero for middle Australia -- the Ford Falcon XR8 performance sedan -- is still on track to return to local showrooms, but it may not arrive this year.

According to senior Ford sources, the XR8 program has been delayed slightly and may get pushed back into 2012.

Ford Australia is yet to confirm which engine will power the reborn XR8 sedan but the Carsales Network understands that the most likely option is a non-supercharged version of the highly-regarded 5.0-litre V8 that powers the Mustang.

This makes the most financial and logistical sense given the extra cost involved in adding a supercharger at Ford Performance Vehicles.

A decision to go with a naturally aspirated 5.0-litre V8 also gives Ford and FPV a handy price and marketing gap between the XR8 and GS and GT supercharged Falcon models.

"We have no further comment to make about XR8 other than when we dropped it last year we were pleasantly surprised by the feedback from customers and dealers who genuinely didn't want it to go," said Ford Australia spokeswoman Sinead McAlary. "Obviously we are in the business of keeping customers happy and we're looking at our options at a possible re-introduction of this vehicle."

Meanwhile Ford insiders say that the 5.0-litre without a supercharger is quicker than the old 5.4-litre V8 despite being smaller in capacity.

The XR8 was dropped at the end of June last year after new emissions rules came into effect in Australia. Ford could have updated the engine to meet the new rules but this was deemed too expensive.

Ford initially made the decision to drop the XR8 altogether and leave the V8 business to its performance car partner, FPV. But an 11th hour decision saw the XR8 program revived after strong feedback from Ford fans and dealers.

I think another year is a bit of a stretch isnt it?? They may as well not bother if its going to take that long. Surely this would be ready for the FGII debut?

GT0132 · 28-01-2011, 01:09 PM

Obviously we are in the business of keeping customers happy

ha ha yeah !

Quicksand · 28-01-2011, 02:21 PM

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Meanwhile Ford insiders say that the 5.0-litre without a supercharger is quicker than the old 5.4-litre V8 despite being smaller in capacity.

This is such a random comment...it comes out of nowhere and then they are back onto the topic at hand...

GK · 28-01-2011, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Quicksand

This is such a random comment...it comes out of nowhere and then they are back onto the topic at hand...

Perhaps random, but at least it's positive.

GK

TZENU · 28-01-2011, 02:49 PM

Good timing too... I'll be ready to upgrade the company car around that time!!!!

bdave351 · 28-01-2011, 03:04 PM

Exceptionally dissapointing from my standpoint.

XR8 has been gone for a while, and they indicate there is nothing imminent about a replacement. ('Looking at our options')
So another year plus?

My lease is up in 2 months and I have to replace the vehicle....a new GS is just more than I can spend despite a motor that gives me a major horn, a decent XR8 would have been perfect.

Only option then is another sneezy box which I will get second hand, so a customer lost from Ford Aus point of view.

**Luke Plaizier** · 28-01-2011, 03:08 PM

Just buy an SS and call Ford to let them know.

Lukeyson

Road_Warrior · 28-01-2011, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Luke Plaizier

Just buy an SS and call Ford to let them know.

Lukeyson

I'd wager there is quite a few V8 shoppers who have done just that due to Ford's dithering on the matter.

ZA-289 · 28-01-2011, 04:00 PM

This is crazy talk no wonder Holden sell WAY more cars.

Can you imagine the **** stom if they stopped making SS's for 18 months?!!!?

SteveJH · 28-01-2011, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ZA-289

This is crazy talk no wonder Holden sell WAY more cars.

Can you imagine the **** stom if they stopped making SS's for 18 months?!!!?

From memory V8's make up a larger portion of holden sales then they did of ford sales though. Fairly sure I read somewhere last year that something like 1/5 of all Commodores were V8's.

ST · 28-01-2011, 04:22 PM

This is incredibly disappointing, people not in the know will think the XR8 has been dropped altogether and shop elsewhere. Even the quotes aren't enthusiastic or convincing which says to me that everything is still on the drawing board.

Fordman · 28-01-2011, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveJH

From memory V8's make up a larger portion of holden sales then they did of ford sales though. Fairly sure I read somewhere last year that something like 1/5 of all Commodores were V8's.

What! VE's????? I wouldnt have thought so.

Joe5619 · 28-01-2011, 04:44 PM

Between this & LiLPG, Ford really stuffed up big time with these new projects & Euro 4... I guess this is the price you pay when you have 100 different leaders...

Hopefully all comes online very soon & not before it is all too late??

banarcus · 28-01-2011, 04:58 PM

"But we are the 6cyl car company. We'll sell you any car you want as long as it is a sedan, has a 6cyl motor and an automatic gearbox."

**Polyal** · 28-01-2011, 05:04 PM

Put me down as a buyer, but 2012..come on...I dont know if I want to wait that long.

No way I would resort to buying a SS

..cant believe people even think of it.

As long as its the full monty 5.0 then I think it will be worth the wait, and Id happily wager a stock 5.0 coyote will be a better drive than a 5.4 290/302/315.

I find it hard to believe they are going to wait so long even though they admit its on the cards..why wait really...FG2 gives them enough time, they have most of the components sorted through Miami anyway.

SM1DY · 28-01-2011, 05:16 PM

There's a lot of talk about FGII, when is that due? May will be the FG's 3yr birthday, so would that be around the time frame people are referring to?

**Polyal** · 28-01-2011, 05:25 PM

Not sure, I would have thought it would be close to the Territory release, its going to look odd with a bunch of Territory's running about better specc'd than Falcons.

Ford have got alot of products coming out, so I dont know if they will cascade or flood the market.

flappist · 28-01-2011, 05:47 PM

17 posts, some of them rather harsh.

So how many of you bought a new BF-FG BOSS 5.4 XR8 (i.e a new one in the last 5 years or so)?

I suspect the answer may give some insight into why the XR8 was not in the fisrt generation of coyotes.

In addition the GS sells for about what the XR8 did and is FAR superior so where is the problem really?

ZA-289 · 28-01-2011, 05:53 PM

Gee I dont know Flappist, How about you do a poll on it?

Fireblade · 28-01-2011, 05:58 PM

Also got to take price point of the XR8 into it, considering the cost of the GS where does the XR8 slide into, if it is to be considerably less than the GS than it has to probably have less than the GS. IMO the XR8 would not be worth the money anymore considering the price point of the GS.

Taking into consideration the severe decline in sales of the XR8 I would not be surprised that it does not get released again.

**Polyal** · 28-01-2011, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

17 posts, some of them rather harsh.

So how many of you bought a new BF-FG BOSS 5.4 XR8 (i.e a new one in the last 5 years or so)?

I suspect the answer may give some insight into why the XR8 was not in the fisrt generation of coyotes.

In addition the GS sells for about what the XR8 did and is FAR superior so where is the problem really?

Hardly harsh.

What does it matter if someone brought on in the last 5 years? The XR8 is an important car for FORD. The XR8, in ute form, was always a good seller, in particular for tradies who actually wanted a V8 ute that could be used.

And shock horror, there are always new people entering the marketplace, and even more shocking is that some of them mightnt want a FPV, or even a car that has FI.

Whats the GS sell for, $56k I thought, AFAIK the FG XR8 was under $50k. Reference here:

http://www.carsales.com.au/car-resea...d=12AA16143D26

http://www.carsales.com.au/car-resea...d=12AA16143D26

And we all know you could get a FG XR8 new for less than that. There is a big enough gap for the XR8 to return and be the aspirational car for the FORD fleet.

Joe5619 · 28-01-2011, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by F6 FOON

Also got to take price point of the XR8 into it, considering the cost of the GS where does the XR8 slide into, if it is to be considerably less than the GS than it has to probably have less than the GS. IMO the XR8 would not be worth the money anymore considering the price point of the GS.

Taking into consideration the severe decline in sales of the XR8 I would not be surprised that it does not get released again.

Simple!! XR8 & XR6T should be line priced.. At that is about mid 40s... Not sure how you think current GS & old XR8 are priced the same?? What does a GS go for?

stang65 · 28-01-2011, 06:06 PM

I thinkk maybe they are waiting for the fg2 to be released, what they could do is bring out the xr8 at the current Gs power level, then up th the Gs and the GT, this way they solve the issue of them having to similar power levels.

jpd80 · 28-01-2011, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

17 posts, some of them rather harsh.

So how many of you bought a new BF-FG BOSS 5.4 XR8 (i.e a new one in the last 5 years or so)?

I suspect the answer may give some insight into why the XR8 was not in the fisrt generation of coyotes.

In addition the GS sells for about what the XR8 did and is FAR superior so where is the problem really?

I think you answered this a while back with the following quips (I paraphrase):
1) Ford buyers are not Holden buyers, the sales trends are completely different
2) even if you offered a low priced V8 Falcon ($43-$45K) people still wouldn't buy it
because it would get beaten by SS or some other reason not to shell out the cash.
3) most V8 fans live in the second hand market where Ford can't hear you.

stang65 · 28-01-2011, 06:09 PM

As stated earlier I think some of you are being a bit to hard on Ford it`s bad enough the media bag the **** out of them when they`ve done nothing wrong, but their fans should support them through the bad times as well as the good times.

Like any business I`m sure they have their reasons.

SM1DY · 28-01-2011, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by stang65

I thinkk maybe they are waiting for the fg2 to be released, what they could do is bring out the xr8 at the current Gs power level, then up th the Gs and the GT, this way they solve the issue of them having to similar power levels.

If they up'd the power already they would be hanging the initial coyote buyers out to dry on their resale.

I'd be content with a 290kw Coyote XR8, but to be completely honest I'd just like to see it back.

stang65 · 28-01-2011, 06:15 PM

yeah but the last model xr8 was 290kw why would you upgrade or buy a coyote xr8 if its putting out the same power as the previous model.

jpd80 · 28-01-2011, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SM1DY

If they up'd the power already they would be hanging the initial coyote buyers out to dry on their resale.

I'd be content with a 290kw Coyote XR8, but to be completely honest I'd just like to see it back.

They generationed the 5.4 boss the same way in previous model, it's only a state of tune.

I wonder if the NA 5.0 V8 from the Mustang costs nearly as much as the local S/C Coyote...
maybe that's the hold up, Ford can get a better deal off FPV if they wait a bit longer....

SM1DY · 28-01-2011, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by stang65

yeah but the last model xr8 was 290kw why would you upgrade or buy a coyote xr8 if its putting out the same power as the previous model.

Because it's a Coyote

stang65 · 28-01-2011, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

I think you answered this a while back with the following quips (I paraphrase):
1) Ford buyers are not Holden buyers, the sales trends are completely different
2) even if you offered a low priced V8 Falcon ($43-$45K) people still wouldn't buy it
because it would get beaten by SS or some other reason not to shell out the cash.
3) most V8 fans live in the second hand market where Ford can't hear you.

I disagree with number 2) mate,( I often agree with the majority of your posts as you always have some great contributions.)

I would have bought an xr8 when I bought my xr6 turbo, the only reason I didn`t was because the turbo was quicker.

If the xr8 was quicker I would have bought it and I bought new and I know alot of guys with xr6 turbo`s that thought the same way I did.