Formula 1's to Calder Park after 2015??

RedHotGT · 23-09-2010, 09:11 AM

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vic...-1225928088533

I'd certainly LOVE to see this!!!

Would you go if it was at CALDER??

**Polyal** · 23-09-2010, 09:17 AM

Calder park should be much more than it is, it should be a massive driving complex and not a rotting carpark that it is now.

But yes, id definitely go to that.

**Silver Ghia** · 23-09-2010, 09:28 AM

Doubt whether F1 would go to Calder, Bernie wouldn't like it there.

Also, unfortunately due to the total lack of urban growth planning, suburban housing has now reached Calder Park, so there would be severe restrictions due to noise etc.

RedHotGT · 23-09-2010, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Calder park should be much more than it is, it should be a massive driving complex and not a rotting carpark that it is now.

It certainly is a disappointing sight to see... I've driven past the place every day for the last 20 years, and seen it from when the thunderdome was constructed (from old tyres and fill), and watched it slowly deteriorate to what it is today...

I remember when they had the nationals (drags) there each year and it was a MASSIVE event - packed to the rafters... Also the V8's and other events that were held there (almost every second weekend)...

I can also remember 'that' lowndes crash that will stay in my mind forever... i've never seen so much concern for a competitor before... when the drivers pulled over on the side of the road to go an help... gives me goosebumps...

I spent so many weekend there over the years as a teenager, and some of my fondest memories are from that place...

To have it restored (as it would need to be top notch to host F1) would be fantastic for Calder, for Melbourne, and for Motorsport in Australia...

Fingers Crossed this isn't just a pipe-dream and something goes ahead...

**Polyal** · 23-09-2010, 09:36 AM

Well my idea would be for a massive motorsport/conference/driver training facility but your right it is sad.

I used to go when they had AUSCAR.

Silver Ghia, so whats the go when they have concert? I remember hearing AC/DC or Guns N Roses for 30 k's away!

LightningStrike · 23-09-2010, 09:44 AM

I'm from north of the border - how bad a state of disrepair is Calder in? Any recent pics or events held there, or is it completely mothballed??

**Silver Ghia** · 23-09-2010, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Well my idea would be for a massive motorsport/conference/driver training facility but your right it is sad.

I used to go when they had AUSCAR.

Silver Ghia, so whats the go when they have concert? I remember hearing AC/DC or Guns N Roses for 30 k's away!

That concert was many years ago, before the housing got there. Looked it up, 1993 it was.
I remember hearing that from Sunbury as well.

But unfortunately I think Calder has had its day due to the ridiculous "planning". Same as Essendon Airport, they want it closed. Residents years ago should have had to sign a legal-tight document when purchasing land (transferable to new owners) disallowing any right for complaint against noise etc. Usual thing, they see their properties increasing in value if they win.

GT450 · 23-09-2010, 10:08 AM

If it aint broke dont fix it. Leave it in Melbourne . If you wanted to take it to a circuit proper then Phillip Island would be the best we have but then access will be a problem as it is with the bikes. Calder is in it's death throes , it was never a great race circuit but today it's a mere shadow of what it was in it's hey days.Bob Jane has ruined more motorsport complexes and events so for gods sake don't let him near this one.
I was at the 1984 GP held there and compared to the rest of the world circuits it was embarassing even then. Melbourne has everything needed without the necessity of sitting in long traffic jams as would be the case at the other 2 choices. My thoughts.
GT450

jcxr · 23-09-2010, 10:16 AM

Exactly, Calder has no trams,trains, taxi facilities. Transport would be a nightmare.

Bud Bud · 23-09-2010, 11:54 AM

Hey send it back to Adelaide if you don't want it in the middle of Melbourne now

Narrr just kidding, I don't think too many in S. A. would give up Clipsal if meant getting the F1 back here, I know I wouldn't.

Avalon sounds interesting though, they already have a runway there so maybe the new stig could make an appearance there too!

Seriously though if it went to Calder it would lose prestige and begin to rot because an inner city well sort of street circuit is what makes it so appealing on the world stage now in the first place imho. And that is even taking in consideration other purpose made tracks like Silverstone etc. Street circuits have the added advantage of showcasing the city and the hospitality that goes with it.

Perhaps it is time to move it on (after 2015) to say Perth or Brisbane/Gold Coast to revitalise it, (that's if they even want it) if it has met it's use by date in central Melbourne. Just a thought.

Bud Bud.

Grippy · 23-09-2010, 11:58 AM

I would love to see F1s at Calder, but cannot see this ever happening. Calder would need that much money spent it isnt funny, the place has not been maintained for years

FPV8U · 23-09-2010, 12:08 PM

I'm more partial to the idea of turning avalon into a racetrack..

Calder while it would be nice to see the place properly turned around they would need to flatten about 99% of the current facilty meaning it would probably be cheaper to start new somewhere else than re-hash the old circuit as it's far too small and lengthening it would probably mean flattening the "Thunderdome" which would cost huge money.

4Vman · 23-09-2010, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GT450

If it aint broke dont fix it. Leave it in Melbourne . If you wanted to take it to a circuit proper then Phillip Island would be the best we have but then access will be a problem as it is with the bikes. Calder is in it's death throes , it was never a great race circuit but today it's a mere shadow of what it was in it's hey days.Bob Jane has ruined more motorsport complexes and events so for gods sake don't let him near this one.
I was at the 1984 GP held there and compared to the rest of the world circuits it was embarassing even then. Melbourne has everything needed without the necessity of sitting in long traffic jams as would be the case at the other 2 choices. My thoughts.
GT450

Spot on!

The money would be far better spent upgrading P.I and access to it....

Probably cheaper too..

Calder will succumb to developers sooner or later, its already basically surrounded by housing..

From an ongoing use perspective the do gooders will have it killed for noise if nothing else.

FPV8U · 23-09-2010, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Spot on!

The money would be far better spent upgrading P.I and access to it....

Probably cheaper too..

Wasn't PI Rules out a few years ago because of the estimated speeds at T1?

PI would be great, already the best Grand Prix style ciruit in the country just need some better facilities which could be used for F1, V8's & MotoGP.

Like Sealed Parking areas

RedHotGT · 23-09-2010, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jcxr

Exactly, Calder has no trams,trains, taxi facilities. Transport would be a nightmare.

Neither does Melbourne Airport - but a hell-of-alot of people manage to get there...

4Vman · 23-09-2010, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by FPV8U

Wasn't PI Rules out a few years ago because of the estimated speeds at T1?

PI would be great, already the best Grand Prix style ciruit in the country just need some better facilities which could be used for F1, V8's & MotoGP.

Like Sealed Parking areas

Yes you'd have to modify areas of the circuit significantly for an F1, but have 2 or 3 versions of it, the land is there, its a better option IMO.

**Revolver** · 23-09-2010, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GT450

If it aint broke dont fix it. Leave it in Melbourne . If you wanted to take it to a circuit proper then Phillip Island would be the best we have but then access will be a problem as it is with the bikes. Calder is in it's death throes , it was never a great race circuit but today it's a mere shadow of what it was in it's hey days.Bob Jane has ruined more motorsport complexes and events so for gods sake don't let him near this one.
I was at the 1984 GP held there and compared to the rest of the world circuits it was embarassing even then. Melbourne has everything needed without the necessity of sitting in long traffic jams as would be the case at the other 2 choices. My thoughts.
GT450

Oh good lord that was a laugh! Im sorry? Melbourne isnt broken? Each year that place has not turned a profit. For the first couple thats understandable, but now its the laughing stock of the f1 series. I mean if you were running an event for profit, & it keeps making a loss, youd call it broken!

Phillip island is a sound second choice, but as mentioned that transport thing is a factor. However (also as previously mentioned,) calder is a joke now. It needs so much in the way of upgrades facility wise, & more infrastructure in the way of transport & accomodation its not funny. Any event held there would have to turn a heavy profit straight off the bat. Not an impossible task, but pretty bloody close to it.

I may be stepping right out here but what about Bathurst? If im correct it used to be held there over 50 years ago. & Lex Davidson (grandfather of current v8sc drivers, Will & Alex) was the last winner there. That would be awesome. However i dont think the plummet down the mountain would suit the f1's or conrod. I think its too long & run out of breath. Just thinking out aloud.

RedHotGT · 23-09-2010, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Calder will succumb to developers sooner or later, its already basically surrounded by housing..

Whoever buys the place.... may as well have a bonfire for their money... They'll get the same return....

Bob has filled that place up with more scrap and rubbish than most of the rubbish tips in Victoria combined...

There is so much soil there (every day fill is dumped there by the truckload)... it would take years just to get the land flat...

Soil is contaminated... they would never get building approval... and if they did - things will collapse...

The whole thunderdome is based on dirt and old tyres (where do you think he was taking the scrap tyres from his tyre stores...)

Who knows what will happen to the place...

My guess is that it will turn into a wasteland... moreso than it is at the moment...

FPV8U · 23-09-2010, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Yes you'd have to modify areas of the circuit significantly for an F1, but have 2 or 3 versions of it, the land is there, its a better option IMO.

Assuming the local PI residents don't get the $#!t's on again..

Didn't they put the stopper of the grand plan of the Golf Course & 5 Star Hotel down there?

Bearman · 23-09-2010, 12:25 PM

Some interesting comments on that article, particularly comment #19!! That person is right on the money!!

IMO leave it at Albert Park, it works well there, close to the city and a great showcase. If it has to move from there then a dedicated motorsports complex at Avalon is the only sensible alternative, the centrepiece being a full on Grand Prix track.

If they go the Avalon way the first thing that needs to be done is set up a permanent 20km exclusion zone for residential housing. That is a must to ensure the long term life of the facility. Calder is dead in the water because of housing encroachment. Had there been an exclusion zone there it'd be a viable alternative.

FPV8U · 23-09-2010, 12:27 PM

Bathurst is a big time no go unless you cut out the entire "mountain" section of the track.

F1 cars don't like big dips and drops like "The Dipper", they could sort gearing for Conrod no worries but the amount of changes they would have to make means it's not really a sensible option.

XRtowcar · 23-09-2010, 12:28 PM

Finally someone has realised a permanent track is the answer.
Avalon seems ideal as Calder is too built up now.
At least the general public would get some use from the circuit during the year.
Could include other sporting venues as well.

**Revolver** · 23-09-2010, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GT450

If it aint broke dont fix it. Leave it in Melbourne . If you wanted to take it to a circuit proper then Phillip Island would be the best we have but then access will be a problem as it is with the bikes. Calder is in it's death throes , it was never a great race circuit but today it's a mere shadow of what it was in it's hey days.Bob Jane has ruined more motorsport complexes and events so for gods sake don't let him near this one.
I was at the 1984 GP held there and compared to the rest of the world circuits it was embarassing even then. Melbourne has everything needed without the necessity of sitting in long traffic jams as would be the case at the other 2 choices. My thoughts.
GT450

Oh good lord that was a laugh! Im sorry? Melbourne isnt broken? Each year that place has not turned a profit. For the first couple thats understandable, but now its the laughing stock of the f1 series. I mean if you were running an event for profit, & it keeps making a loss, youd call it broken!

Phillip island is a sound second choice, but as mentioned that transport thing is a factor. However (also as previously mentioned,) calder is a joke now. It needs so much in the way of upgrades facility wise, & more infrastructure in the way of transport & accomodation its not funny. Any event held there would have to turn a heavy profit straight off the bat. Not an impossible task, but pretty bloody close to it.

I may be stepping right out here but what about Bathurst? If im correct it used to be held there over 50 years ago. & Lex Davidson (grandfather of current v8sc drivers, Will & Alex) was the last winner there. That would be awesome. However i dont think the plummet down the mountain would suit the f1's or conrod. I think its too long & run out of breath. Just thinking out aloud.

4Vman · 23-09-2010, 12:29 PM

People need to accept there is as much if not more interest in the broader "social carnival" aspect of the race than the motorsport itself.
Look at the Melb Spring racing Carnival, how many people honestly go to oaks day or the Melb cup to watch horse racing.?
P.I would be the only alternative but the interest in the event just wouldn't be there without the significant entertainment and hospitality value generated by the close (walking distance) proximity of melb CBD...

FPV8U · 23-09-2010, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

People need to accept there is as much if not more interest in the broader "social carnival" aspect of the race than the motorsport itself.
Look at the Melb Spring racing Carnival, how many people honestly go to oaks day or the Melb cup to watch horse racing.?
P.I would be the only alternative but the interest in the event just wouldn't be there without the significant entertainment and hospitality value generated by the close (walking distance) proximity of melb CBD...

Agreed, #1 Preference should be to keep it where it is but make it more finacially viable.

In 2009 i stayed approx 3mins walk from the track, we may have only made up 2 tickets at the event, but we were also 2 Vline Tickets to and from Melb, 2 Dinners each night & 2 Nights accomadation, the only other event that omes close to being able to do the same thing was indy but thats gone now.

**Luke Plaizier** · 23-09-2010, 01:31 PM

Money has already been spent on what it would take to convert Eastern Creek into a F1 track, with the results already released.

Sounds like Calder Park is already more than 12 months behind the game when it comes to bidding for post-2015 F1 races.

Lukeyson

TZENU · 23-09-2010, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GT450

.Bob Jane has ruined more motorsport complexes and events so for gods sake don't let him near this one.

That pretty much sums it up really!

**Polyal** · 23-09-2010, 01:41 PM

Kind of off topic but how can people who buy houses near airports/race venues complain when they knowingly made a decision to live there?

**Luke Plaizier** · 23-09-2010, 01:45 PM

Because of Real Estate agents who sell on the premise that the noise will be contained or reduced.....

Lukeyson

**Polyal** · 23-09-2010, 01:58 PM

Agents will say anything to make a sale, they will tell you the sky is black if they had too. I cant see RA's having any authority on the subject at all other than false hope.

Sounds more like people buying land cheaper knowing full well there is noise and then having a sook to try and get the racing/planes removed. Talk about having your cake and eating it too.