Car rego scrapped proposal for user pay system..

[Maka]

Umm no thanks, what next..? I dont think it would be hard to find a fair way to tax AEV's & EV's within the current tax structure but according to this mob Infrastructure Australia there's not, yeah bollocks lol -

"The government agency says the current system for funding roads is unsustainable because drivers are transitioning to electric cars, which will not pay fuel excise, but the cost of our roads will stay the same or increase."

https://au.news.yahoo.com/radical-pl...224317293.html


"Overseas, new EV sales currently make up from 5 per cent in California and more than 25 per cent in Norway. (And growing in both cases). In Australia, it’s less than 0.1 per cent (and falling)."

https://reneweconomy.com.au/australi...waiting-82878/

cheers, Maka

[Sox]

User pay system is a great idea.

We have a few cars, and only a couple of them do high k's, yet we pay the same rego for all of them, it's crazy and outdated.

It's about time the system was reworked.

[jpd80]

There's no need to change from fixed registration costs for ICE and hybrid vehicles
as the state governments still get their fixed tax income from registration and their
cut of the GST on fuel, federal government still has its 38.5 c/litre fuel excise income.

No, just change Road tax on EVs at a cost per kilometre and leave all other vehicles alone.

I have a feeling that this proposal will disappear up its own *** once the government
realises that take up of EVs will be measured in decades not years...

[Maka]

If all the fuel excise collected went into road/hwy improvments & maintenance etc the argument may be a little different but -

"Currently money collected from fuel excise does not necessarily go towards improving roads."

https://www.news.com.au/finance/econ...8695491138408f

cheers, Maka

[csv8]

This will penalize country drivers.

[Wretched]

Yes for user pay. I drive less than 10k km a year and my partner even less in her car.

[LG17]

It's a 30km round trip to the post office 2 or 3 times a week, 50km to the shops, 150km to the local hospital...

User pays is ridiculous unless there's a lot of "free kms" for country people.

[Vesper Martini]

The People living outside of the congested areas will end up paying the majority.
hardly seems fair.

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by Sox

User pay system is a great idea.

We have a few cars, and only a couple of them do high k's, yet we pay the same rego for all of them, it's crazy and outdated.

It's about time the system was reworked.

+1, our 2 cars do virtually no kms. But then who will pay for the road upkeep?

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

+1, our 2 cars do virtually no kms. But then who will pay for the road upkeep?

Most of the cost of rego is (in Victoria) the TAC insurance premium.

I am very cynical of how much of the actual rego is paid for road upkeep.

[Sox]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

+1, our 2 cars do virtually no kms. But then who will pay for the road upkeep?

The people who do lots of km.

[Ratmick]

Originally Posted by csv8

This will penalize country drivers.

In rural Victoria you pay less for registration than in the CBD or outer urban, about ($686 vs. $800)...so around 14% less.

...maybe the same weighting would be applied to 'country kilometres'.

In my case it's a 30km round-trip to go to the nearest supermarket...

I have four cars and one motorbike for three drivers (one rider, me).

[ford71V8]

Preparation for the coming lack of speed camera dollars

[csv8]

Originally Posted by Ratmick

In rural Victoria you pay less for registration than in the CBD or outer urban, about ($686 vs. $800)...so around 14% less.

...maybe the same weighting would be applied to 'country kilometres'.

In my case it's a 30km round-trip to go to the nearest supermarket...

I have four cars and one motorbike for three drivers (one rider, me).

Queensland no discount in rego for country people, lucky Victorians,

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by csv8

Queensland no discount in rego for country people, lucky Victorians,

The discounts for the cold temperatures we have to endure.
Approx. 5 million people live in Vic, 4 million live in Melbourne, Thank God.

[Warrenk]

Excise is like a user payes portion of fuel so if the user payes system was to remove fuel excise as well as registration then no one will be disadvantaged.

I think it is a great idea as a owner of two V8 and two six cylinder fully registered vehicles in Qld.

Warren

[burnz]

Originally Posted by csv8

This will penalize country drivers.

how many toll roads $$$ do country people pay?

[jpd80]

Fuel excise goes to consolidated revenue, without it a lot of government programs
for supporting us in other ways would disappear and a lot more people would be hurt.
Mess with one thing and lots of other things get disrupted.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by burnz

how many toll roads $$$ do country people pay?

None, because they don't need new tunnels and freeways in the country to support the traffic levels. Plus country roads are never fixed or maintained like city roads.

[joolz]

Originally Posted by csv8

This will penalize country drivers.

Could look at a lower rate for country drivers. Regional rego in Victoria is substantially less than the City.

[Ratmick]

Originally Posted by burnz

how many toll roads $$$ do country people pay?

One, if I drive into the city on Citylink (maybe 1-2 times per 3-6 months unless my missus gets sick then it's daily).

Two if I drive to the Mornington Peninsula on Eastlink.

...I don't do the second one very often given I live 80km from the CBD in the exact opposite direction

I think we only have the two...

I still have eTags though.

[LG17]

Originally Posted by burnz

how many toll roads $$$ do country people pay?

I could be wrong but as far as I know it's the same number as city people have to pay. Some choose to use a toll road, you don't have to.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by burnz

how many toll roads $$$ do country people pay?

How many toll road $$$ do Adelaide people pay?

[Giant Cranium]

Originally Posted by LG17

I could be wrong but as far as I know it's the same number as city people have to pay. Some choose to use a toll road, you don't have to.

A lot of the time it’s not a choice.

[futura]

I have 4 cars. Have no problem paying regos. Its the road tolls that need to go. I pay more tolls than all 4 regos put together.

[Sabantien]

I don't think i'd like that.

I drive 60km round trip to work every day. There are zero PT options in the outback.
340km round trip to the next town to do shopping, which happens once a month or so because it's so much cheaper and you can get things we can't get in town here.
Again, no options other than driving.

Something like this seems designed to take vehicles off the road (not that it will), but not everyone lives in the city and has other options.

[cheap]

I live 4K's from the Brisbane CBD and work in the CBD.

My vehicles don't do many K's but I pay full rego, therefore with the new system I expect to pay less !

[Itsme]

User pay system is introduced for a very good reason, to get extra $$$ out of you.

No doubt most every day drivers will pay more with only a very small percentage who will save.

Remember car rego itself is only a small amount as you will still be required pay your TAC insurance.

[Mercury Bullet]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

How many toll road $$$ do Adelaide people pay?

Wait awhile haven't got them either cos we're waiting.

How your poor buggers over east got suckered in to that crazy idea I will never understand.

Haven't heard of pokies either, we're a bit s l o w...thank God!

[Adamz Ghia]

If they make everywhere in Melbourne a 15 minutes tops walk from a train station then fine. As it stands if I want to catch public transport the nearest station to my work is just over an hours walk away.

And as already said, governments will not change to something that brings in less money.