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Old 08-08-2010, 03:39 PM   #1
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Hi all,

Dont know if this is the right spot to put this but ill give it a go.

A friend of mine wants to know if there is a "Open Speed Limit" or higher than 110km/h highway in the Northern Territory i think he said??

Is this correct or is (Or does it) exist some other state???

I cant remember which state he said. Dont know why he cares, pointless really.

Any one know??? Thanks

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Open speed - nope not any more

Restricted now to 130km if memory serves correct.
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Open speed - nope not any more

Restricted now to 130km if memory serves correct.
Ok. Do you know where it is???
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Ok. Do you know where it is???
Google is your friend.

130km/h speed limit on the Stuart, Arnhem, Victoria and Barkly highways
110km/h speed limit on all other roads – unless otherwise signposted


That’s a long way to go just to do 130 kph legally. If you’re in Sydney, the Great Western Highway on a Saturday night usually has an open speed limit or if you’re in Melbourne, Dandenong road in Doveton also has an open speed limit until the cops turn up.

… and yes, I am joking.
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130km/h speed limit on the Stuart, Arnhem, Victoria and Barkly highways
110km/h speed limit on all other roads – unless otherwise signposted
There's a big rider clause to that.
If the police think that 130 kph is dangerous in the vehicle you're driving then they will book you.

Anyone versed with driving in the NT will tell you to watch for wandering stock and
buffalo at night so maybe ripping along at 130 in the dark isn't such a smart thing to do.

Just my 2 cents.
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Old 08-08-2010, 08:40 PM   #6
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There's a big rider clause to that.
If the police think that 130 kph is dangerous in the vehicle you're driving then they will book you.
THAT applies to any speed done in any speed limit zone (default or signposted), or if ever again on a speed derestricted (//) length of road,- by a vehicle.

NT Labor killed of speed derestriction (physically removed the signs and by legislation) in a fit of political correctness, effective January 1, 2007.

They did the same to NSW under Wran, July 1979. VIC; late 60's.

The speed derestriction sign has been removed from Australian Standard 1742.4 of 2009. This is an attempt by academia and state roads staffers, to prevent any parliament (a party as 'policy') from re-introducing the idea ever again in AUS).

Notable speed derestriction remains in Germany and on the Isle Of Mann. A few other areas also, parts of Thailand South, Malaysia North, Iran, India. Even South American countries, a la remote Argentina still show the (//).

PC British Transport employee imports to the island, have failed to introduce Britains (temporary) 70mph National Speed Limit, the Islands public voting up to 80% a determined NO to the speed limit. ("Temporary" is in UK legislation, and was imposed after the 74 Arab oil embargo on the west).

The legislation has not been removed, yet. PC will see it not so is my guess. That means GB (//) signs will remain as National Maximum Speed Limit signs. But the signs are withdrawing from Brit roads.

The Conservatives in GB did support an 80mph (130km/h) speed limit for its motorways in earlier electoral policy. To date, they have stopped funding for speed cameras, but time will tell if GB goes the way of EU and introduces EU's basic 130km/h freeway limit.

Meanwhile in Switzerland, the campaign for an incease in its freeway limit, currently 120km/h, in favour of 140km/h, continues...

Australia's freeways *WILL* remain at 110km/h for a few more years yet, but key intercity roads are being updated for that capability (ATSB Report). (median barrier/crossover U-Turn Bay 'gatelock' treatments, etc).
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NB:- One cannot have an "OPEN speed-limit" ("limit" = restriction). One can have, however, "speed DE-restriction". (Speed "DE" = removes; speed restriction).
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THAT applies to any speed done in any speed limit zone (default or signposted), or if ever again on a speed derestricted (//) length of road,- by a vehicle.

NT Labor killed of speed derestriction (physically removed the signs and by legislation) in a fit of political correctness, effective January 1, 2007.

They did the same to NSW under Wran, July 1979. VIC; late 60's.

The speed derestriction sign has been removed from Australian Standard 1742.4 of 2009. This is an attempt by academia and state roads staffers, to prevent any parliament (a party as 'policy') from re-introducing the idea ever again in AUS).

Notable speed derestriction remains in Germany and on the Isle Of Mann. A few other areas also, parts of Thailand South, Malaysia North, Iran, India. Even South American countries, a la remote Argentina still show the (//).

PC British Transport employee imports to the island, have failed to introduce Britains (temporary) 70mph National Speed Limit, the Islands public voting up to 80% a determined NO to the speed limit. ("Temporary" is in UK legislation, and was imposed after the 74 Arab oil embargo on the west).

The legislation has not been removed, yet. PC will see it not so is my guess. That means GB (//) signs will remain as National Maximum Speed Limit signs. But the signs are withdrawing from Brit roads.

The Conservatives in GB did support an 80mph (130km/h) speed limit for its motorways in earlier electoral policy. To date, they have stopped funding for speed cameras, but time will tell if GB goes the way of EU and introduces EU's basic 130km/h freeway limit.

Meanwhile in Switzerland, the campaign for an incease in its freeway limit, currently 120km/h, in favour of 140km/h, continues...

Australia's freeways *WILL* remain at 110km/h for a few more years yet, but key intercity roads are being updated for that capability (ATSB Report). (median barrier/crossover U-Turn Bay 'gatelock' treatments, etc).
We still have // in Wait Awhile as far as I'm aware.

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We still have // in Wait Awhile as far as I'm aware.

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Good old WA, it actually refers to de restriction to the next state speed limit. If you are in a 20 zone like Charlie Gardiner Hospital where they have one of these signs at the end of the access road it allows you to go to 50km/h. If you are in a 80 zone allows you to go to 90 according to Main Roads.
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Having a speed de-restriction sign in place puts a lot of liability back on the government.
No politician worth his salt wants to be seen supporting anything that looks like speeding...
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Hi all,

Dont know if this is the right spot to put this but ill give it a go.

A friend of mine wants to know if there is a "Open Speed Limit" or higher than 110km/h highway in the Northern Territory i think he said??

Is this correct or is (Or does it) exist some other state???

I cant remember which state he said. Dont know why he cares, pointless really.

Any one know??? Thanks
There was never a open speed limit in the NT.
As in that you could drive flat out, with out disregard.
you could back then get busted for many things even 110KM/H if the conditions were not safe. if you were towing a van there's a limit. if you exceed the speed rating on ya tyres. and it was up to the cops discretion of what he thought was safe and reasonable.
Some people think it was as if like, it was law less.
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14 years ago i took the xr8 sprint out to the NT,,1 of the best driving experiences i have,,5th gear 4900RPM dont really know what speed because the needle hit the bottom of the speedo,, properly around the 240ks
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Dont be too quick to rule out open limits to return to NT. The Country Liberal party up there is wanting to reintroduce it back if they get elected. Having had an email conversation with a member of the party there, I would say its a dead set certainty if they win the next election.

There has been too much economic fall-out for isolated road houses and towns from car companies no longer using the NT as the worlds high-speed durability hub as well as the increase in fatalities since the derestriction was removed.
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... as well as the increase in fatalities since the derestriction was removed.
Wow - I didn't realise that was the case! Do you know more about it? Is it a case of more driver fatique do you think?
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Wow - I didn't realise that was the case! Do you know more about it? Is it a case of more driver fatique do you think?
That, and alcohol.
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There's a speed limit on Conrod, at the moment its 60km/h and on that weekend flatout
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That, and alcohol.
and boredom zzzzzzzz

imagine driving Sydney to Brisbane in a long straight flat featureless environment and you soon realise why they need higher limits than the east coast.
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http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/201...41_ntnews.html

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Wow - I didn't realise that was the case! Do you know more about it? Is it a case of more driver fatique do you think?
There was a section that had all the crash statistics and yes in the years after the 130km/h limit was imposed the crashes increase by 5x or so (I think).

I tried to find where I got it but russellw may have hidden/deleted them.
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Even the 130 is fantastic and makes motoring along so much more enjoyable.
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Yes but it is all just rhetoric and propaganda until after the election.

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I will believe it when I see it (and will be spending my next holiday up there if it comes back)
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excellent news, although the Feds could still veto it

one of my earlier life's pleasures was that little black circle with the slash. aaah the memories
interestingly, i cannot remember ever being pulled over by a revenue raising authority in the NT except for an RBT.
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. . . . as well as the increase in fatalities since the derestriction was removed.
Before you make a statement like that, best you do a bit of research that entails more than one year.

Here is a place to start: http://www.roadsafety.nt.gov.au/tran...ts/index.shtml, scroll to the bottom, there are statistics that go back further if you want them. So far to me there has been very little change, but this year that could change.

I think it was January 2007 when the speed limit dropped to 130km/h
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excellent news, although the Feds could still veto it

one of my earlier life's pleasures was that little black circle with the slash. aaah the memories
interestingly, i cannot remember ever being pulled over by a revenue raising authority in the NT except for an RBT.
Well this it a states rights issue.

I am fairly confident the other states will not allow a precedent set with Feds over-riding road rules as that would potentially give them direct access to the "money cameras"......
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Well this it a states rights issue.

I am fairly confident the other states will not allow a precedent set with Feds over-riding road rules as that would potentially give them direct access to the "money cameras"......
it's a Territory of the Commonwealth, not a state.
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Yes but that got all murky a few years ago when they became self governing.
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There is still a palpable underlying anger up here about the speed limit issue. The 130 kph has had no effect on the road toll, except to cause fatigue related accidents. Political correctness will not allow the currenty guv to target the real cause of the NT road toll. The current guv is in power by the grace of one independant, and he scraped in by 150 votes. There will, no doubt, be a change of guv next election. Wether they bring back the (//), time will tell. But having had a long talk with my local member (Matt Conlan) the CLP are determined to follow up with their pledge. BTW, the feds have never withdrawn road funding up here. The Stuart Hwy is a vital military asset. They cannot let it fall into disrepair any worse than what it is after 7 odd years of neglect.

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except to cause fatigue related accidents.
and that can be proved where?

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Political correctness will not allow the currenty guv to target the real cause of the NT road toll. The current guv is in power by the grace of one independant, and he scraped in by 150 votes. There will, no doubt, be a change of guv next election. Wether they bring back the (//), time will tell. But having had a long talk with my local member (Matt Conlan) the CLP are determined to follow up with their pledge. BTW, the feds have never withdrawn road funding up here. The Stuart Hwy is a vital military asset. They cannot let it fall into disrepair any worse than what it is after 7 odd years of neglect.

http://www.keepntlimitfree.org/Porta...%20080721A.PDF
In relation to statistics, best you check the link I put up, the Territory Government link I mean. I think you will start to see a decrease, to me at a cursory glance I reckon there could be a downward trend occuring, but time will tell.
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