Battery Neglect Question

[Citroënbender]

Sort of thing FC might have an opinion about...

Putting theory out the window. Chap is offering for $60, a Century 57MF battery that would fit the Falcon, with Supercrap install sticker dated 10/18.

In his (paraphrased) words, been in a garage on a wooden shelf, needs charging.

How likely is it, this would come back to any usable life? Noting the brand. New, they’re on special for $155 at aforementioned shop. But that’s a $95 difference...

[roKWiz]

I would still buy a new one, you would think he would charge himself and sell it as is.
I had a new small 12V willow in the diesel genset I left to long and re charge it last week but I don't know if it will recover fully, time will tell.

[hayseed]

Offer Him $40. Anyway It's still within the 24 Month warranty period..

[Citroënbender]

Maybe he’s related to CarSales Territory Man?

Yes, leaning towards a new battery.

AC Delco AU22R520SMF $109, ~200km round trip, say $20 in fuel, 5 hours of my life
Century 57EF MF $155 35km round trip
Exide Endurance 52DMF $149 40km round trip

[Citroënbender]

Originally Posted by hayseed

Offer Him $40. Anyway It's still within the 24 Month warranty period..

Is the warranty pro-rated and transferable? A serious question.

[roKWiz]

If you have the original receipt anything's transferable

[roKWiz]

Thanks for the thread,
just reminded me to order a couple more N150 Centuries. Pick them up tomorrow if I'm allowed across the border.

[ford12]

Just make sure you check your spark plugs

[Citroënbender]

So if it came down to new Century vs new Exide, which would be the hit pick?

[fiestaz]

I just got a century from super cheap (the spark plug specialists). Was on special for $200 down from 279 I think. The one your after could be on special.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

So if it came down to new Century vs new Exide, which would be the hit pick?

ACDelco is good value for money, its a quality product too.

Century (anything blue and yellow case) is Australian made in Brisbane. One of the DIN range is also Australian made, the one that goes into the diesel Territory.

I was a Century stockist at my workshop,I used to sell Century 57EF MF for $150 inc GST a couple of years back, it got to the point where I smashed the region record in the past 15 years for most Century battery sales and I was second only to Bendigo Super Cheap Auto.



If I wasn't going to push Australian made I'd have stocked ACDelco as they are good.

Don't buy it second hand, buy new.

EDIT: A couple of years back is actually 5 years ago, wow time flies lol.

[.:4:.]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

So if it came down to new Century vs new Exide, which would be the hit pick?

Thats kind of funny. Years ago the ex mrss car had a dead battery. I went to the battery place work use for work cars, told them the car etc. The bloke slaps a blank battery on the counter and asks what brand i want and listed 3 or 4. I asked which is better, and price. He said theyre the same. I said exide so he grabs a sticker from under the counter and slaps an exide sticker on the side. Im guessing had i not been using a trade discount the sales pitch would have been different. Car was a 2012 g6 ecoboost. The battery was fine. Just funny the lax attitude from the guy behind the counter.

[ford12]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

ACDelco is good value for money, its a quality product too.

Century (anything blue and yellow case) is Australian made in Brisbane. One of the DIN range is also Australian made, the one that goes into the diesel Territory.

I was a Century stockist at my workshop,I used to sell Century 57EF MF for $150 inc GST a couple of years back, it got to the point where I smashed the region record in the past 15 years for most Century battery sales and I was second only to Bendigo Super Cheap Auto.

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If I wasn't going to push Australian made I'd have stocked ACDelco as they are good.

Don't buy it second hand, buy new.

EDIT: A couple of years back is actually 5 years ago, wow time flies lol.

Hi Franco.
Would it be fair to assume that if the battery voltage drops below 12 or even down to 10 volts when starting your engine, the battery is on its way out or totally stuffed. Said battery was charged before hand.

[JC]

You need to rejuvenate your battery

[ford12]

Originally Posted by JC

You need to rejuvenate your battery

How do you rejuvenate a battery ? Apart from recharging it.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

ACDelco is good value for money, its a quality product too.

Century (anything blue and yellow case) is Australian made in Brisbane. One of the DIN range is also Australian made, the one that goes into the diesel Territory.


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Don't buy it second hand, buy new.

EDIT: A couple of years back is actually 5 years ago, wow time flies lol.

Franco, those big black ones (N150 -200's Heavy Equipment) down on the bottom left in your picture are also Australian made.
They are glass matt 11 platers which are perfect in a solar system, RV and boats, I get 10-12 years from them usually in a RAP system.
Only problem is their size and weight.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by ford12

Hi Franco.
Would it be fair to assume that if the battery voltage drops below 12 or even down to 10 volts when starting your engine, the battery is on its way out or totally stuffed. Said battery was charged before hand.

You can't really accurately test a battery using a multimeter, you should use a carbon pile load tester, it measures the CCA rating and bring it down to around 10-11V in the test.

This is what I used to use, I was suspect on those digital ones.

https://www.ebay.com.au/p/4017006497?iid=163026666315

Something to keep in mind is you'll blow holes in the commutator on a starter motor if you insist on trying to get every last drop out of a battery, when you first get that slow turn over when she's getting tired it's time for replacement battery.

I've seen it a few times on starters where the copper on the commutator has holes in it where the brushes sit - that's from trying to start on a flat or tired battery.

It's easier and cheaper replacing batteries than starter motors

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Franco, those big black ones (N150 -200's Heavy Equipment) down on the bottom left in your picture are also Australian made.
They are glass matt 11 platers which are perfect in a solar system, RV and boats, I get 10-12 years from them usually in a RAP system.
Only problem is their size and weight.

Nice - I wasn't aware the commercial stuff was made locally.

The bottom left are N120s and the low profile ones next to them are oddballs called 94 Squat - they're used on Scania prime movers.

https://www.centurybatteries.com.au/...attery/94/info

Commercial batteries are good value for money, we used an 86Z in a Triumph Stag battery relocation:

https://www.centurybatteries.com.au/.../86z%20mf/info

950CCA!

[Citroënbender]

What brand of spark plugs did you fit with your batteries?

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Nice - I wasn't aware the commercial stuff was made locally.

The bottom left are N120s and the low profile ones next to them are oddballs called 94 Squat - they're used on Scania prime movers.

https://www.centurybatteries.com.au/...attery/94/info

Commercial batteries are good value for money, we used an 86Z in a Triumph Stag battery relocation:

https://www.centurybatteries.com.au/.../86z%20mf/info

950CCA!

Yeah, N120 HE are good value. Bought 2 for the KW. 24v start 12v run (series parallel) but I don't know where to stick the spark plugs in a 903.

What do you retail N150 for, just curious.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

What brand of spark plugs did you fit with your batteries?

OE Ford and GM plugs - Ford and Holden trade club member

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Yeah, N120 HE are good value. Bought 2 for the KW. 24v start 12v run (series parallel) but I don't know where to stick the spark plugs in a 903.

What do you retail N150 for, just curious.

Can't remember, have been out of the game for 3 years now.

The only ones I can remember off the top of my head are the common stuff - Falcon/Commodore $150 Inc ($175 for the high performance variants)

4x4 high performance range (N70ZZLX) $220 Inc

[roKWiz]

Just got back from NSW with these 2 N150's. $300 ea retail. picked up directly from wholesalers for $270 ea. happy with that.



Can confirm maintenance cap ones (pictured) are still made here, newer SLA are made in Indonesia.

[oldel]

Originally Posted by ford12

Hi Franco.
Would it be fair to assume that if the battery voltage drops below 12 or even down to 10 volts when starting your engine, the battery is on its way out or totally stuffed. Said battery was charged before hand.

It's best to check with a load tester, but yeah, if you've got a good fast multimeter with a min reading 10V is usually OK.
Below 10V is bad - that normally triggers limp mode anyway. In falcons you'll have the trans flashing and be stuck in 3rd, in BMWs you'll have trans prog error.

E: The last century I bought was made in the phillipines, din65L MF. Didn't last long so I've switched to exides which are cheaper.

[Citroënbender]

I know it’s poor internet form but I actually did something rather than just post about the possibility. Century 57EF MF, via Supercrap for $155.95.

Wizzer - are those blue and red lidded pots, a stone epoxy?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Just got back from NSW with these 2 N150's. $300 ea retail. picked up directly from wholesalers for $270 ea. happy with that.

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Can confirm maintenance cap ones (pictured) are still made here, newer SLA are made in Indonesia.

That's a great price for something that big, if anyone's relocating a battery to the boot forget D34 Optima, use Century N150, cheap as and it'll live for the life of the car

https://www.centurybatteries.com.au/...tery/n150/info

Only weighs 43KG

[roKWiz]

C.B...
megapoxy, mix it with crushed sandstone dust for small restoration fixes build up surface, let set, then re carve to the profile shape.

Good price from Supercrap on the Century.

Franco...
good to have some ballast for ya boot.
Now have 3 on the boat, 2 in the motorhome, and 8 for the cabin.

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

Sort of thing FC might have an opinion about...

Putting theory out the window. Chap is offering for $60, a Century 57MF battery that would fit the Falcon, with Supercrap install sticker dated 10/18.

In his (paraphrased) words, been in a garage on a wooden shelf, needs charging.

How likely is it, this would come back to any usable life? Noting the brand. New, they’re on special for $155 at aforementioned shop. But that’s a $95 difference...

I have a top notch Century battery, less than q year old, and its ****ed. Just trying to figure how to claim under warranty.
First thing on a cold morning, if the old donk don't catch on the first flick, I have to roll-start.

Now this is not necessarily a reflection on the brand. Just that buying a 2nd hand battery is pot luck, and not worth the aggravation.

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

In his (paraphrased) words, been in a garage on a wooden shelf, needs charging.

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Bit of a Topic hijack I Know. But;
Is it an Old Wives tale that Sitting a battery on Concrete Will send It Flat..
I had an employee who would Always only sit batteries on either Wood or Rubber, He Swore black & blue that they'd go flat sitting on Concrete..

My personal Opinion is that It's an Urban Myth...
But Happy to be Proven Wrong,

[Citroënbender]

Franco, is an ACDelco AU22R520SMF good value at $109?

Hayseed: I’ve wondered if the “chilling” effect of a cold surface creates a situation inside a lead acid battery where the reaction is measurably slower closer to the cold area, and whether this creates uneven plate deposits inside the battery.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

Franco, is an ACDelco AU22R520SMF good value at $109?

Hayseed: I’ve wondered if the “chilling” effect of a cold surface creates a situation inside a lead acid battery where the reaction is measurably slower closer to the cold area, and whether this creates uneven plate deposits inside the battery.

Certainly is good value, mine which is the Commodore version of the same battery cost around $120+ through Holden Trade Club.