Poll for National Drivers Licence.

[csv8]

I agree a national drivers licence is needed.
My nursing registration is national.
How a national drivers licence would be implemented would be interesting.!
https://www.facebook.com/22265760886...7237629825887/

[Raptor]

When the thread title say Poll, I expect an AFF Poll. I don't have Facebook.

So I've added one

Open for the next 15 days, get voting.




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[dunga]

Originally Posted by csv8

I agree a national drivers licence is needed.
My nursing registration is national.
How a national drivers licence would be implemented would be interesting.!
https://www.facebook.com/22265760886...7237629825887/

I might be stupid as i have a nsw drivers license but I'm pretty sure i can drive in all Australian states and territories even over seas, all a load of you know what all it would it mean is more cost and achieve nothing.

[nstg8a]

National one would be a pain, different rules in every state,

[T3rminator]

What would be the difference to the driver between State and National licence? Would this stop people who lost their licence in Vic being able to get a new one in QLD?

[dunga]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

What would be the difference to the driver between State and National licence? Would this stop people who lost their licence in Vic being able to get a new one in QLD?

Is that the case now can people who have lost their license in 1 state obtain a license in another ?

[You Yangs]

Moot point, if you wanna talk about National Road rules then I’m all ears.

[Franco Cozzo]

What license?

I'm all for standardisation of driving rules and national license.

As long as it's the VIC rules that go national

[GO FURTHER]

Well...

We have;

- National Passport Number
- National Medicare Number
- National Tax File Number
- National Citizenship Number

So yeah, national Driver's Licence makes sense, especially since we are slowly moving to a "digital licence" system.

And while they are at it, I believe there should be national car registration numbers as well

It seems ridiculous that you can have the same personalised number plate in 5 states ... Cars cross borders!

I've been caught out myself, collecting fines for unpaid parking and toll fees, because someone from interstate came down to my state and the toll way cameras and stupid parking inspectors did not differentiate the "state" stamped on the number plate, and the rego number was the same as mine!

Vehicles can still have "state based plates", but the alphanumerical rego combination on them should be drawn, and used only once from a national database.

[Ben73]

They would have to make the road rules the same all across the country. Good luck with that since all states would think they're right.

[hayseed]

They tried It 20 odd years ago with heavy Vehicle (truck) Licences.
We all got a Purple (magenta) License With the Title "Australian Heavy vehicle Licence"
But Now whilst they're still Purple they now just have whatever is the Home state of the licence Holder on Them...

[arronm]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

What would be the difference to the driver between State and National licence? Would this stop people who lost their licence in Vic being able to get a new one in QLD?

If I live in WA and lose my licence , I cant drive in that state no matter how many other licences I have. But if I had a NSW licence I could drive in other state but WA.

So a national licence sucks..

[GO FURTHER]

Originally Posted by arronm

If I live in WA and lose my licence , I cant drive in that state no matter how many other licences I have. But if I had a NSW licence I could drive in other state but WA.

So a national licence sucks..

Except... It is illegal to have more than one car driver’s license in Australia.

[arronm]

Anything is only illegal when you get caught

[aussiblue]

Having worked in numerous WA Government agencies in my past life, I can just say having an eastern states centric management regime never works well here but with uniform legislation and policies it always happens as the other states argue they have the majority of people cars whatever. And of course it's always too much trouble for the "wise men from the east" to visit WA and see what the rules and policies developed in the east mean in practice here. Our roads are different (generally less developed) and our rural population more spread out amongst other things.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by aussiblue

Having worked in numerous WA Government agencies in my past life, I can just say having an eastern states centric management regime never works well here but with uniform legislation and policies it always happens as the other states argue they have the majority of people cars whatever. And of course it's always too much trouble for the "wise men from the east" to visit WA and see what the rules and policies developed in the east mean in practice here. Our roads are different (generally less developed) and our rural population more spread out amongst other things.

My WA mates always tell me how oppressed we are in the east with our draconian road rules (Vic) . I didn't think it was that different, except with how strict it is enforced?

[Polyal]

YES. Make all the rules the same and cut the bureaucracy that runs it!

From a personal experience in the last ~10 years we have lived in VIC, TAS, QLD now NSW and I am so sick of having to change over for zero benefit. Throw in rego changes as well and its crazy.

I guess the negative is if/when the system fails is all drops, but, you could still have states manage but overall data is collated?

[thefargo]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

What license?

I'm all for standardisation of driving rules and national license.

As long as it's the VIC rules that go national

No, make it South Australian rules.
Every drive is a competition; let NO one in, earn the space. If it even looks as if someone is about to enter the lane, or turn; speed up. Do not let any one in, ever.
If someone misses their turn off, so what, take the next one, South Australian roads were designed on a square grid, you can always get back.
People who let others in , slow down to create a safe driving distance, etc, wouldn't last long in SA and besides where's the sport in that?

[XR8GRL]

Originally Posted by thefargo

No, make it South Australian rules.
Every drive is a competition; let NO one in, earn the space. If it even looks as if someone is about to enter the lane, or turn; speed up. Do not let any one in, ever.
If someone misses their turn off, so what, take the next one, South Australian roads were designed on a square grid, you can always get back.
People who let others in , slow down to create a safe driving distance, etc, wouldn't last long in SA and besides where's the sport in that?

The states don't seem all that different now, that sounds a lot like VIC rules too

[dunga]

anyone thinks the states will give up a revenue stream and hand it over to the feds is a dreamer.

[Mowdit]

We're basically at Australia Card level anyway !

[CoupeKing]

Nope.

Too many variables.

[Schtoo]

Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

Except... It is illegal to have more than one car driver’s license in Australia.

Really?



In that case, I'm illegal as I have 2 current, paid up, driver's licenses.



Both are mine, legally obtained and legitimate. Both are accepted as valid in Hawaii?



One's Vic. The other from Japan. But I do have two, and I don't think I'm breaking any laws in having them. ;)


Japan has individual 'states' licenses, but the road laws are the same everywhere. Driving there is less and more stressful than here because while you generally won't get a ticket for being a 'little' over the speed limit (and a little is variable term, from 10-50% over the posted limit), an awful lot of folks are really poor drivers and take the variable rules well past the speed limit, and start thinking stop signs and red lights are 'optional'...


As much as the law breakers over there annoy me, it's nice to not have to worry about being 2km/h over unless you're being a moron. Also recommended to have a new-ish and well maintained car because if you're driving some jalopy at mach 3, you're going to get in big heaps 'o' trouble.



Our car's cruise control only goes to 115km/h, but the newest one goes to 130km/h, more than any posted limit over there. Reflects what folks are actually driving at, not some draconian 'rule'. Still speed limited to 180, but baby steps...


(And she wonders why I want to drag a Falcon over there. I'm not sure why I want to drag a GT-R over here though.)


Stu.

[GO FURTHER]

Originally Posted by Schtoo

Really?
One's Vic. The other from Japan. But I do have two, and I don't think I'm breaking any laws in having them. ;)
Stu.

Just to clarify, I was referring to having more than one current Australian car driver's Licence.

[Schtoo]

Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

Just to clarify, I was referring to having more than one current Australian car driver's Licence.

Oh, I'm pretty sure I got that. ;)


Though I kinda wonder how getting a translation of my license would work out. Mrs. Schtoo was legally driving around with her original license and a translation for a few months, even exploited the loophole of gaining a fine but no points (now closed) but she now has only a Vic license, easily obtained by simply showing up at the appointed time and filling out a form.


Japanese license is cheaper, but you do have to sit through a 1 hour lecture to renew it. 2 hours if you get a fine. Longer if you're a really 'poor' driver.



The only time I had the long lecture was the first renewal, and only because I was a 'new' driver. Made almost everyone in the room blush (hey, it WAS Japan!) by calling them all out for being crap drivers and dumb enough to get caught at it as well. Also mentioned that if they were in the room I'd be inclined to take away their licenses until they're ready to grow up and drive properly.



You've really got to be epically bad at driving to collect that many fines over there.



Stu.

[aussiblue]

Today's paper has another example of how those in the east are out of touch with WA and have an overinflated view of their own importance:
https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/paint...ng-b881580020z

The majority of east coast residents hugely underestimate the contribution WA’s resources sector makes to the national economy, instead believing NSW is Australia’s top exporter.

A Painted Dog Research survey of residents from NSW and Victoria exposed an embarrassing lack of knowledge and understanding concerning WA’s vital role in the nation’s exports.

Asked which State was the biggest exporter of goods and services, 51 per cent of respondents said NSW, 25 per cent said Victoria and just 20 per cent said WA.

“While those in the Eastern States may think that getting minerals out of the ground, processed and transported to another country is as easy as ordering a cafe latte on Collins Street, we West Australians know it takes a great deal of business acumen and risk-taking,” Chamber of Commerce and Industry WA chief economist Aaron Morey said.

Department of Jobs, Tourism, Science and Innovation figures showed that the 500 people surveyed were way off the mark.

Of the $470 billion worth of goods and services Australia exported last financial year, WA’s share was by far the greatest of any State or Territory, accounting for a staggering 36.5 per cent ($171.4 billion). NSW and Queensland were a distant second with 22 per cent each.

Victoria was responsible for just 12 per cent.

The survey also found east coasters were much more likely to overestimate their own State’s export contribution. An overwhelming 75 per cent of NSW residents said the so-called premier State was the top exporter, while 51 per cent of Victorian residents thought they were.

WA accounts for almost a third (32 per cent) of the country’s total trade. The State’s exports account for 48 per cent of Australia’s total exports.

We are the main minerals and petroleum exporting region of Australia and produces a significant proportion of commodities nationally and globally.

It was responsible for 99 per cent of Australia’s iron ore production last year — churning out 810 million tonnes of a total 819mt — and 32 per cent of the world’s iron ore production. WA is also the biggest gold producer, accounting for 67 per cent of the country’s production last year.

Chamber of Minerals and Energy WA chief executive Paul Everingham said he was disappointed to discover “there’s still a lot of Australians that don’t know or properly understand the value that mining and energy bring to this country”.

“Service sector jobs in Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane wouldn’t exist without the mining and energy industries in WA,” he said. “WA is the single largest exporting province in Australia for merchandise exports ... it’s the No.1 resources province in the world. I don’t think other States give WA enough credit for that.”

A spokesman for Premier Mark McGowan said it was a fact that “WA is the powerhouse of the nation when it comes to exports”.

WA had majority shares of Australia’s exports to Britain (82 per cent), China (64 per cent), Singapore (63 per cent) and Hong Kong (51 per cent) last year.

[Ben73]

I want to know why 51% of Victorians thought they would be number 1?

Also why wouldn't east coast road rules work in WA? Are there specific rules that wouldn't work?
Half of NSW and QLD is barren desert.

[nstg8a]

As long as we don’t have to do those odd hook turns or whatever they’re called down in Victoria...

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

As long as we don’t have to do those odd hook turns or whatever they’re called down in Victoria...

victoria has probably 1 million road intersections and of those about 25 are hook turns,so what would be your problem

[aussiblue]

One of the biggest area of variation between states is motorcycle lane splitting see: https://www.shine.com.au/blog/motor-...l-in-australia