How retarding?

[flappist]

There have been a number of posts on the board regarding factory brake upgrades and whether they should be available on various models.

The new GS does not have this option nor does any Ford Falcon/G.

Ford offered a factory brake upgrade package on the BA XR6T & XR8, I have seen maybe 2 ever.

FPV offered brake upgrade packages on Pursuit, GS, GT (inc GT40 & Cobra), F6 & F6 ute (inc Typhoon & Tornado).
I owned a F6 and have seen a couple of Pursuits and a GT40 with factory upgraded brakes.

As AFF is the centre of the universe for Ford/FPV buyers there must be a few on here who have ticked the box.

The poll is multi answer for those who have bought more than one

[Polyal]

Ive said my bit in the other thread, as I am yet to buy new I cant respond to the poll other to say that if I was going to the trouble of owning a FPV then I would get them.

Heck, id get them if there was a FPV upgrade option on the n/a XR8 and XR6T (rim and brake package for example).

[geckoGT]

The GT had the stock PBR brakes which were good enough for anything on the street, really suffered on the track though. The SP had the brembo 6/1 combo which was great but I think should have had 4 spot rear as it felt a bit unbalanced to me. The F6 has the 4/1 standard combo, I could not find any that had the brake upgrade in BF, not that it really worries me, they work well.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by geckoGT

The GT had the stock PBR brakes which were good enough for anything on the street, really suffered on the track though. The SP had the brembo 6/1 combo which was great but I think should have had 4 spot rear as it felt a bit unbalanced to me. The F6 has the 4/1 standard combo, I could not find any that had the brake upgrade in BF, not that it really worries me, they work well.

As you may remember there was a totally unsubstantiated urban myth about a guy who had a GT-P and then sold it to buy a F6 with PBRs and way out in the scrub while travelling at (deleted)km/h braked at the usual place but ended up running a stop sign at about 40km/h. Apparantly later the same guy repeated the event with a brembo fitted F6 and stopped easily. Well so the story goes....

Maybe others found something similar which may have led to FPV fitting front Brembos to BF and later.

[tweeked]

I had the standard "performance" PBR's on my GT and the performed flawlessly on the street - even saving me on one occasion in a full on emergency stop at 110 when a truck pulled out to overtake an old van while I was overtaking him, two wheels on bitumen two wheels off the road.

They could not cope with full on track work, so I upgraded to Aftermarket 6 piston front calipers.

The top level brakes are overkill on the street - they are for marketing or filling big wheels only.

The urban myth guy - if his brakes were that bad on one stop then had other issues, either

1 He outbraked himself and was making excuses,
2 The road was damp
3 It was his 5th stop and he was travelling way over the speed limit for an extended period,
4 It never happened

[flappist]

Originally Posted by tweeked

I had the standard "performance" PBR's on my GT and the performed flawlessly on the street - even saving me on one occasion in a full on emergency stop at 110 when a truck pulled out to overtake an old van while I was overtaking him, two wheels on bitumen two wheels off the road.

They could not cope with full on track work, so I upgraded to Aftermarket 6 piston front calipers.

The top level brakes are overkill on the street - they are for marketing or filling big wheels only.

The urban myth guy - if his brakes were that bad on one stop then had other issues, either

1 He outbraked himself and was making excuses,
2 The road was damp
3 It was his 5th stop and he was travelling way over the speed limit for an extended period,
4 It never happened

Well as the story goes, the car was 1200km and 3 days old, the road was perfectly dry, it was the first stop, the speed was (deleted) and I am fairly sure it did happen, well as far as these urban myths can be believed...so the story goes....

[AussieAV]

Originally Posted by flappist

Well as the story goes, the car was 1200km and 3 days old, the road was perfectly dry, it was the first stop, the speed was (deleted) and it did happen...so the story goes....

He's lucky he didn't run into a poll! (in that unsubstantiated story)

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by flappist

Well as the story goes, the car was 1200km and 3 days old, the road was perfectly dry, it was the first stop, the speed was (deleted) and I am fairly sure it did happen, well as far as these urban myths can be believed...so the story goes....

I'd go with a bad workman blaming his tools.......

You would have people flying off roads left right and centre otherwise

The poll is interesting though - It probably need an option of "standard brakes and I dont believe they are up to it, but i am keeping them"

[dannyhilton]

Originally Posted by Polyal

...If I was going to the trouble of owning a FPV then I would get them. Heck, id get them if there was a FPV upgrade option on the n/a XR8 and XR6T (rim and brake package for example).

Same boat. Don't own, and won't for a while, but when I do buy an FPV/XR Falcon it'd be one of the first boxes I'd like to tick.

I figure if you're going to the trouble to buy a high performance sedan/ute, I know I'd much rather have bigger brakes than some extra leather or an iPod cable...

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by dannyhilton

Same boat. Don't own, and won't for a while, but when I do buy an FPV/XR Falcon it'd be one of the first boxes I'd like to tick.

I figure if you're going to the trouble to buy a high performance sedan/ute, I know I'd much rather have bigger brakes than some extra leather or an iPod cable...

Exactly, what I would sign up for tomorrow is a US spec Coyote, manual, vixen red, 18's with brembos, cloth seats. Basic, fun V8 goodness....guess Ill have to wait.

[grandpa_spec_F6]

Originally Posted by AussieAV

He's lucky he didn't run into a poll! (in that unsubstantiated story)

It's almost impossible to avoid a poll.....when on AFF that is

[Revolver]

Spose I really shoudn't be posting this. I never bought one, but if I did, then I would have Ticked the box for upgraded brakes. I have to admit I get inappropriately excited over brakes. I like being able to pick my eyeballs of the front window. I want the best possible brakes. You never know when you might need them....

(Enter the comment over the Brembos needing decent temperature to be at peak braking performance, so not much difference on the street)

[drew`SEVNT5]

I got my car as an ex-demo.

Couldn't find many demos with the upgrade..

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by flappist

As you may remember there was a totally unsubstantiated urban myth about a guy who had a GT-P and then sold it to buy a F6 with PBRs and way out in the scrub while travelling at (deleted)km/h braked at the usual place but ended up running a stop sign at about 40km/h. Apparantly later the same guy repeated the event with a brembo fitted F6 and stopped easily. Well so the story goes....

Maybe others found something similar which may have led to FPV fitting front Brembos to BF and later.

Know the story well. In my experience from two B series with PBR performance brakes an two with brembo combinations, any brake application on the street that healthy 1200 km old brakes were not up to the task probably means the brake application point was way too late. In my experience there is not a lot in it between a brembo and performance PBR in a single brake application. In actual fact I found the GT (PBR) had better initial bite and braking power when cold (example after highway stretch) than what the SP did with brembos which seemed to require a bit of heat an were a bit dead without. Just my unsubstantiated experience.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by geckoGT

Know the story well. In my experience from two B series with PBR performance brakes an two with brembo combinations, any brake application on the street that healthy 1200 km old brakes were not up to the task probably means the brake application point was way too late. In my experience there is not a lot in it between a brembo and performance PBR in a single brake application. In actual fact I found the GT (PBR) had better initial bite and braking power when cold (example after highway stretch) than what the SP did with brembos which seemed to require a bit of heat an were a bit dead without. Just my unsubstantiated experience.

Very true, It also depends on what warp factor the unsubstantiated picks were applied at too...!! LOL

[data_mine]

Bought the GT-P new.

Had I decided on the F6 it would've gotten the 6/4 upgrade.

Like some of the others here, I do track work, so they're essential.

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by dannyhilton

Same boat. Don't own, and won't for a while, but when I do buy an FPV/XR Falcon it'd be one of the first boxes I'd like to tick.

I figure if you're going to the trouble to buy a high performance sedan/ute, I know I'd much rather have bigger brakes than some extra leather or an iPod cable...

Have you seen the price they slug you for the brake upgrade? In the B series it was $4000. For that, you could upgrade to leather, get an I pod cable and still have about $2500 left over. Hell you could even get a sunroof and upgrade the pad material and have brakes out of a brembo 6/1 combo that would work just as well on the street compared to the brembo 6/4 combo with change left over (that is on BF).

I think many of the BA and BF GT buyers did not do the upgrade because those that wanted the extra braking power also wanted the go fast seats and other bonuses of the GT-P, making the GT-P a better option than an optioned up GT.

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Very true, It also depends on what warp factor the unsubstantiated picks were applied at too...!! LOL

If I remember the uban myth, he might have been doing a bit over the posted speed limit. I would suggest that he was perhaps a little used to the previous GT-P brakes and not driving within the capabilities of a brand new car (with brakes still bedding in and green tyres) and not allowing sufficient fudge factor for surpise road imperfection, oil, water and gravel etc. I think he might have been living on the ragged edge a bit and lucky there was no one else involved. I doubt the crash investigation would have found FPV responsible for fitting insufficient brakes, particularly because they were bigger than the highway patrol cars at the time (this was in the time of BAII if I remember the myth) and the highway patrol cars seemed to pull up with smaller calipers and rotors.

[irish2]

Maybe we should pool our resources and find stopping distances for the cars in question. I'll start the ball rolling; FG XR6 100 - 0 41.58m or 137.2 feet. Sourced from september '09 motor mag. And just for comparisons sake, 65 mustang, 4 wheel drums, no booster, 60mph-0, 162.2 feet. Maybe we could get a sticky list of stopping distances similar to the list of acceleration figures?

[geckoGT]

Interesting poll so far, no one with a GT upgraded the brakes on the factory option, is that because they just bought the GT-P instead?

2 ticked the brake upgrade on F6's, is that because there was not a F6-P for the majority of the BA-BF F6 production time period?

Also according to our previously mentioned unsubstantiated experience, 51% of people are going out of control into intersections at 40 km/h and should die shortly