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Old 14-03-2011, 03:06 PM   #1
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Why is my electricity bill so F@#$%$#$#$%ing high?
This is for a storage shed:
15 kWh @ 19.4100 c/kWh $2.91
Service to property $30.36
Ambulance cover $26.58
Sub total $59.85
+ origin green BULL SHHHHHH $0.18
Late fee???? $12.00
Grand Total $75.38 for 15 kW in a storage shed over 89 days

THIS country sucks a$$ what a bloody rip off thanks Peter Beattie and Anna Bligh $300 to power a storage shed (per year) use to be able to run a whole house on that where is my wage rise eh

USE $2.91 worth of electricity and it costs me $75.38

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Old 14-03-2011, 03:16 PM   #2
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If the account is in a storage shed, do you have power to your house as well? You only pay the ambulance cover on one account, so that would reduce it by that amount at least
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Old 14-03-2011, 03:26 PM   #3
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Yep, having a sales guy over this arvo to talk about solar install, I cam wait to be running my air con for free
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Yep, having a sales guy over this arvo to talk about solar install, I cam wait to be running my air con for free
It would need to be a pretty big one.......
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Old 14-03-2011, 04:19 PM   #6
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Don't complain. My parents average quarterly bill for the last year has been over 1200.
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I don't think that's the point iggypoppin, there's plenty of people with high elec bills
but the OPs point is that it cost him $75 to use $2 worth of electricity
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I don't think that's the point iggypoppin, there's plenty of people with high elec bills
but the OPs point is that it cost him $75 to use $2 worth of electricity
Would it be worth it to check a meter for $2 a quarter?
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The meter read right... It's all the add on's that tally up...
How far is the shed away from house ???
I know what I'll be doing ...
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Old 14-03-2011, 07:26 PM   #10
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Storage shed on the same property? or elsewhere?

Going solar for a shed isnt viable, youll pay a lot of money for little return.
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Depends on what he's doing - if it's just for lighting or such then solar is a great alternative provided you store it in batteries
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Old 14-03-2011, 07:37 PM   #12
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Run a generator?
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Old 14-03-2011, 07:38 PM   #13
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What sort of current demand is needed when you do use the power? Are we talking lights? Fridge always running?

Say you disconnected from the grid and used a generator while there? (assuming that when you are not there, all appliances are off and no current is drawn).

Power prices will continue to go up, and perhaps the generator will pay for itself after a few years?

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Old 14-03-2011, 07:48 PM   #14
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if its only for lighting id cut the power off and run a small generator. can get small ones pretty cheap now, yeah it might take 12-18 months to pay for it self but at least your not paying $75 for $2 worth of power...
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Old 14-03-2011, 08:29 PM   #15
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Why is my electricity bill so F@#$%$#$#$%ing high?
This is for a storage shed:
15 kWh @ 19.4100 c/kWh $2.91
Service to property $30.36
Ambulance cover $26.58
Sub total $59.85
+ origin green BULL SHHHHHH $0.18
Late fee???? $12.00
Grand Total $75.38 for 15 kW in a storage shed over 89 days
Be thankful you don't live in NSW.

I don't know about city folk, but here in the bush I pay 22.12 c/kWh.

Service to property $83.38 (and seeing as we have a separate provider for Gas thats another service fee)

Ambulance cover, that's on the car rego.

Oh, you forgot GST on you total
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Your with Origin. That is half the problem. When it went private in QLD, Energex customers went to either AGL or Origin. They are the default retailers and paid for that. They is also why they are expensive. Move yourself to a non-default retailer.
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his power usage averages at 7 W so I am assuming there is minimal peak load if this is the case you can get cheap DIY solar systems that would fill the bill. the panel would only need to be small and even if you have a short term load of 1 to 1.5 KW you can use a larger battery bank and inverter

these items will get you started
http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView...T&SUBCATID=409

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView...T&SUBCATID=912

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView...T&SUBCATID=680

just add some batteries and you have 1 KW of power for $650 plus your batteries
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Um ?? How far away is the shed ??
I know you get voltage drop over distance...
But I would be running some overhead wire.
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Dunno about that! It make take money saved on electricity over 10 years to pay for it!
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If storage shed is not far from house (same property) cost would be encompassed in home power bill for whole property. Guessing this is a rented storage shed or shed on piece of land somewhere. Can't rock up to kennards or whatever and whack up your own solar panels.

Sounds like a rip though, I'd be taking a good torch and maybe a converter thing for the car if need to plug something in with a mains plug (cant be running any too serious type equipment on $2 worth of power a quarter).
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My thoughts exactly. I need to start charging that on all my invoices.....
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In QLD instead of paying ambulance cover separately. Everyone pays it on there electricity bills. Just how they do it.
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I don't think that's the point iggypoppin, there's plenty of people with high elec bills
but the OPs point is that it cost him $75 to use $2 worth of electricity
I should learn to read...
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All queenslanders pay an amulanve levy through electricity to be covered for emergency ambulance transport aus wide
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in nsw ambulance cover is on your rego so people like myself pay 5 times more than others.
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Why is my electricity bill so F@#$%$#$#$%ing high?
This is for a storage shed:
15 kWh @ 19.4100 c/kWh $2.91
Service to property $30.36
Ambulance cover $26.58
Sub total $59.85
+ origin green BULL SHHHHHH $0.18
Late fee???? $12.00
Grand Total $75.38 for 15 kW in a storage shed over 89 days

THIS country sucks a$$ what a bloody rip off thanks Peter Beattie and Anna Bligh $300 to power a storage shed (per year) use to be able to run a whole house on that where is my wage rise eh

USE $2.91 worth of electricity and it costs me $75.38

If you believe that you have a case for exemption, try this web site ...

http://www.ambulancecover.qld.gov.au...le/index.shtml

The "service to property" is a connection charge. Remember that Energex/Ergon has spent considerable money (ranging from hundreds to thousands of dollars) to put in the electricity meter (the cost of one electricity meter alone is around $100 wholesale), low voltage link pillar, low voltage power lines. As an exercise, have a look at the electricity infrastructure that has been installed just to supply your shed. Now, run down to the local Haymans and price the components. Next, do the maths on how long it would take to recover these costs with just $2 per quarter income.


Yes, the connection charges are expensive. It is specifically designed to deter people from having uneconomic connections to the network. (Which your’s clearly is!)

So, either put up with the charges or buy a generator (around $850 upwards for a good 2KVA) or install an isolated solar power supply (around $8000 for one that can run isolated from the electricity grid).

[Edit: While you are down at the generator shop, tell them that you want to pay it off at the rate of $2 per quarter and see what type of reaction you get]

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If the account is in a storage shed, do you have power to your house as well? You only pay the ambulance cover on one account, so that would reduce it by that amount at least
Tried that, as it is on another property to the one i pay at home they don't combine them......just have to get the ambulance home from the pub
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What sort of current demand is needed when you do use the power? Are we talking lights? Fridge always running?

Say you disconnected from the grid and used a generator while there? (assuming that when you are not there, all appliances are off and no current is drawn).

Power prices will continue to go up, and perhaps the generator will pay for itself after a few years?

Edit: beat me by 1 minute Ragtop ;)
Just the floro lights a radio and the occasional power tool...im going to use battery power have cancelled the connection - but they probabaly won't actually disconect it for a while
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