Transit 2.0 wet belt issue

[simon varley]

Does anyone know anything about this? Its all over the European sites, but I can't find a thing about it here. Does anyone know a TSB or recall number?

[Silver Ghia]

Originally Posted by simon varley

Does anyone know anything about this? Its all over the European sites, but I can't find a thing about it here. Does anyone know a TSB or recall number?

Probably the 20B44 inspection which appears to be a TSB or some other document.

See this Transit forum page 8 which contains a copy of the document contents, and the next page for very recent posts.

[simon varley]

interesting. my van falls outside the range (1/5/16 - 1/7/19) but even knowing the FSA number I still can't find any details in Australia. Maybe we never got the 2.0 until after this date?

[hackney]

Originally Posted by simon varley

interesting. my van falls outside the range (1/5/16 - 1/7/19) but even knowing the FSA number I still can't find any details in Australia. Maybe we never got the 2.0 until after this date?

Ah, the good old wet belt failures.Citroen also did a recall on theirs not long back.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by simon varley

interesting. my van falls outside the range (1/5/16 - 1/7/19) but even knowing the FSA number I still can't find any details in Australia. Maybe we never got the 2.0 until after this date?

I have a Feb 2017 built Transit Custom 2.0L six speed auto and will see if it has ever been checked for this. Transit Custom switched to the 2.0L 96kW when the auto version became available and then after an update the 125kW version became the standard engine with the Sport getting a more powerful tune.

[simon varley]

good luck!

[jpd80]

2.0 Ecoblue engine, same as Ranger but the issue looks to be degraded or diluted oil causing premature failure
Read, people skipping services and replacing oil occasionally……and then wonder why engine goes bang.

[Franco Cozzo]

Curious as to oil change intervals as I see some van manufacturers suggesting 30,000km oil change intervals and to me thats well and truly stretching the friendship.

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by jpd80

2.0 Ecoblue engine, same as Ranger but the issue looks to be degraded or diluted oil causing premature failure
Read, people skipping services and replacing oil occasionally……and then wonder why engine goes bang.

no I don't think so. it's because much more fuel goes into the oil than anyone expected, so the oil life is significantly degraded, and the belt running in **** oil gets worn.

fuel in oil is a significant issue in Ranger too, so eyes up!

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Curious as to oil change intervals as I see some van manufacturers suggesting 30,000km oil change intervals and to me thats well and truly stretching the friendship.

by the book - still 15k/7.5k or annually

[Top_Ghia]

Ecoblue engine has a 30,000km service interval which looks great on the sales brochure. Everywhere else it’s a terrible idea.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Top_Ghia

Ecoblue engine has a 30,000km service interval which looks great on the sales brochure. Everywhere else it’s a terrible idea.

Apart from our 2017 Custom I have a 2021 Vito 119CDI and its 25,000km/1 year.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by simon varley

no I don't think so. it's because much more fuel goes into the oil than anyone expected, so the oil life is significantly degraded, and the belt running in **** oil gets worn.

fuel in oil is a significant issue in Ranger too, so eyes up!

Wow, how does the diesel end up in the oil?
Does it get past the rings or is there another way in?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Wow, how does the diesel end up in the oil?
Does it get past the rings or is there another way in?

I've seen cars with DPFs end up with the oil level getting higher up the dip stick and its diesel in the oil, related to a problem with the DPF.

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I've seen cars with DPFs end up with the oil level getting higher up the dip stick and its diesel in the oil, related to a problem with the DPF.

honestly, I've tried and tried to get my head around this, and failed :( but it's a true thing

[simon varley]

try this

https://www.sae.org/publications/tec.../2021-26-0184/

This has been a cost effective and simpler technique compared to the external hydrocarbon dosing system. But the tradeoff involved with this in-cylinder dosing technique is the risk of fuel in oil (FIO). The extra fuel injected impinges the cylinder wall and eventually get mixed with engine oil thereby diluting it. The diluted oil increases the risk of early wear and impacts the durability of the engine.

[IanC]

Mazda diesels had big problems with fuel getting into the oil. Clogs the DPF and results in engine failure. People are buying diesel SUVs and utes then using them for the school run. They need to have regular long runs or they have all sorts of problems. It is not a good idea to buy a secondhand modern diesel as you don't know how it has been used and there could be very expensive problems ahead.

[Top_Ghia]

There has certainly been a lot of software/strategy updates along the way to resolve this issue across many models and many manufacturers.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Top_Ghia

There has certainly been a lot of software/strategy updates along the way to resolve this issue across many models and many manufacturers.

The best solution of all is customers to stop buying diesel vehicles that don't actually do any work

[simon varley]

drive it like you stole it.


under the speed limit, obviously. especially in Victoria

[Top_Ghia]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

The best solution of all is customers to stop buying diesel vehicles that don't actually do any work

I love modern diesels. They put a roof over my head and feed my family.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

The best solution of all is customers to stop buying diesel vehicles that don't actually do any work

Seems to me that a petrol hybrid would work better in those low load situations

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Seems to me that a petrol hybrid would work better in those low load situations

I agree,

Curious to see what the Ranger Hybrid is going to do fuel usage wise compared to the diesel variants as well as at payload and towing capacity.

[Sprintey]

Do they offer a petrol Transit? If not, there's always the delivery driver's Ferrari, the 3.5V6 Hiace

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-new...rice-and-specs

[Sprintey]

Actually...

Manual
V6 petrol NA
RWD
<40K start price

That moment when you realise the HiAce is the spiritual successor to the XR6 and SV6 in today's market...

[Citroënbender]

I’m visualising the Mexican Hoon Cartel joining the gig economy.

[Sprintey]

DHL sponsoring Summernats...

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

Actually...

Manual
V6 petrol NA
RWD
<40K start price

That moment when you realise the HiAce is the spiritual successor to the XR6 and SV6 in today's market...

They were discontinued shortly after the new HiAce release and the few that are available are above $50K on second hand market unfortunately

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

They were discontinued shortly after the new HiAce release and the few that are available are above $50K on second hand market unfortunately

Had one for two weeks as a hire while our Transit Custom was in the panel shop...very smooth and quick but it did 300km per tank less than the Transit Custom and back then petrol cost more than diesel....thank my lucky stars costs were covered by the insurance company....might even have cost a demerit point or three...

[Sprintey]

Is there a hybrid Hiace in the works? Something like 2.4 or 2.0L petrol + the hybrid gear, chews less than a diesel, can take 91. That would be quite a good vehicle.