Wikileaks discussion

ILLaViTaR · 04-12-2010, 02:08 AM

http://www.twincities.com/ci_16758832?nclick_check=1

Most interesting thing I've read in ages, amazing how powerful one man can be.

(Not sure if this is against the site rules, as he's attacking controversy and this article is about the man and his website not the controversial "secrets" he exposes, but if that's still inappropriate then by all means delete).

wrongwaynorris · 04-12-2010, 03:35 AM

Julian Assange is a grand standing XXXXker and if what he has ILLEGALLY released leads to one persons death he should be executed . Look at Me Look at Me look at Me grandstanding XXXXker .

kyro_02 · 04-12-2010, 06:25 AM

If the government have nothing to hide, then they shouldn't be worried, the truth hurts huh

**Falcon Coupe** · 04-12-2010, 07:19 AM

The site was shut down due to attacks and he is under threat of jail or even assassination. Powerful or not, I wouldn't want to be in his shoes.

ThaFlash · 04-12-2010, 07:34 AM

I hope someone wastes him, he reminds of one of those terrorists in Die Hard 1, send in the SAS....

XR6_661 · 04-12-2010, 08:36 AM

How he is a bad person? Like an above post...if the government had nothing to hide to begin with...

wrongwaynorris · 04-12-2010, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by XR6_661

How he is a bad person? Like an above post...if the government had nothing to hide to begin with...

Governments ( like all of us ) do have things to hide in the interests of national security and the safety of their citizens and agents . If there were no Kim Jong Ils , Osama Bin Ladens , Pol Potts , Adolf Hitlers , Josef Stalins , Nikolai Chaucescu's , Fidel Castro's et al et al et al . You may begin to have a point but the world is not a rosy place .

So to follow your logic you'd be perfectly happy with people rifling through your garbage and or email account etc etc and releasing your medical records , your banking details , your salary details , your sexual leanings , what kind of things you look at on the net or order online , transcripts of your phone conversations etc etc etc . you know the kind of things where there is an expectation of privacy let alone legislation to keep it private as in the case of diplomatic and military communications . The facebook generation has a hell of a lot to answer for.

Barnaby · 04-12-2010, 09:42 AM

What people forget is that he supplies an outlet for OTHER people to leak stuff their government or company/employer does wrong and that ****ed them off.

Its not him, he just provides the outlet. Its ****ed off people like you and me who provide the content.

Whistle blowers bring down corrupt police forces, dodgy corporations and hopefully now, governments and security agencies that do stupid stuff in the name of "national security".

More power to him.

**Falcon Coupe** · 04-12-2010, 09:44 AM

We all know wiki leaks covers all kinds of nasty stories, no need to go there or the thread will be closed.

Streets · 04-12-2010, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by wrongwaynorris

Julian Assange is a grand standing XXXXker and if what he has ILLEGALLY released leads to one persons death he should be executed . Look at Me Look at Me look at Me grandstanding XXXXker .

Can you tell me how exactly he's a grandstanding XXXXker? It's the mainstream media that's banging on about this story so much, and the idiotic public who are gobbling up what they say without getting a proper education in the subject. From what I've seen, Assange isn't above giving interviews and whatnot, but other than that I get the impression he'd rather be left alone.

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Originally Posted by wrongwaynorris

You may begin to have a point but the world is not a rosy place .

Yeah, you're right, the world isn't a rosy place. As wikileaks is showing us.

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Originally Posted by Barnaby

Its not him, he just provides the outlet.

This. He's not doing the leaking, he's providing the outlet for the leaks. In the past, people would leak to journalists who would then take it to the public. Assange is just cutting out the middle-man.

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Originally Posted by Barnaby

More power to him.

Yep.

kyro_02 · 04-12-2010, 10:01 AM

It's not like he is releasing defense strategy's or anything lol!! other than that, I cannot see how it will affect national security if the truth is told, and I know; I would want to be told the truth..

The people submitting admissions to him are in anonymity at their will, that is why it's all against him now. I must admit, I wouldn't want to be in his shoes, not because of legal issues, but fearing you have a bounty on your head..

dogfish · 04-12-2010, 10:15 AM

Of Course Governments keep Secrets that's how things progress and move forward could you imagine all the problems and political stand offs that would happen if everything was exposed to the commoner (you and me) nothing would get done due to protest.
So if I had a friend or relative in a sensitive situation overseas and Wikileaks exposed him or her to unnecessary threats yeah I would want to skin him then kill him simple as that so you would have to be symphathetic to people wanting the site closed down purely on a humane level.
And anyway what would the conspiracy theorists do with their lives if there were no Government Secrets unemployment would go up heaps and people wouldn't try and astound you at parties with useless bits of information that no one really cares a toss about anyway

**Elks** · 04-12-2010, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Barnaby

What people forget is that he supplies an outlet for OTHER people to leak stuff their government or company/employer does wrong and that ****ed them off. ........................

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In the end they are trying to shoot the messenger (perhaps literally).

Wikileaks is just the publisher, it could just as easily been "Crikey.com" or "The Daily Mirror". If the leaks are an issue then this is an issue for the US Govt and the actual leak from within the Govt.

The leaks I've read have been quite embarrassing but hardly mission critical.

I'm surprised he doesn't have more support from the general media regarding their right to protect their sources.

ThaFlash · 04-12-2010, 10:40 AM

why does the pope roll around in a bullet proof car if he is ordaned by GOD!

why is he (assange) in hiding, if he hasn't done anything wrong?

i wish that peice of maggot filth was not born here, a low life dirty rat fink albino terrorist bastard that usually appears in 007 flix and I can't wait till he dissapears for good.

aussies don't roll like that....

**cs123** · 04-12-2010, 10:50 AM

He is grandstanding for sure, but is that a reason to hate him?

He has documentation that he will release the puts a spotlight on corruption in a major American bank. Should this not be released?

This is what the American Senator Ron Paul (Republican) had to say

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Re: Wikileaks- In a free society, we are supposed to know the truth. In a society where truth becomes treason, we are in big trouble.

I tend to agree, although I worry a lot about innocent people being harmed because of any leaks.

gtfpv · 04-12-2010, 11:22 AM

i have nothing against the man , in a world where civilians have barely no privacy or rights at all , and governments can ban you growing food in your backyard , and tax the air that you breathe ( carbon tax) . and people call a man exposing all this and more as a scumbag.
reminds me of an expression . people are so dumb now that you can cut them down , lower thier living standards ,send them to war, lock them up under suspician with out any right of defending themselves or being able to speak in defense of themselves, take away all thier privacy and rights , completely own the food they eat , water they drink, and air they breathe , and get them to thankyou for it .
regarding the thread title , i am very surprised the govt cant do this . but i'm sure if the guy gets assassinated , people will be happy for the govt .

Jim Goose · 04-12-2010, 11:22 AM

And yet again people on here make the most pathetic comments about killing someone...
Please shut the thread down as its apparent the usual crowd on here isnt interested in a discussion, but prefer to support "killing" someone who spreads the truth.

gtfpv · 04-12-2010, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Goose

And yet again people on here make the most pathetic comments about killing someone...
Please shut the thread down as its apparent the usual crowd on here isnt interested in a discussion, but prefer to support "killing" someone who spreads the truth.

i agree . close the thread

Barnaby · 04-12-2010, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Elks

Wikileaks is just the publisher, it could just as easily been "Crikey.com" or "The Daily Mirror".

Unfortunately, no. Wikileaks is the trailblazer here. They are the only organisation that has set up an extremely secure legal system to protect the whistleblower. Old media outlets will pull a story on threats from large advertisers and are no better than the cretins that Wikileaks exposes.

Public exposure on sites like this is the future. Shut them down and another head will pop up to take his place.

Franco Cozzo · 04-12-2010, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Barnaby

Old media outlets will pull a story on threats from large advertisers and are no better than the cretins that Wikileaks exposes.

Public exposure on sites like this is the future. Shut them down and another head will pop up to take his place.

Yep, weak, thats why Wikileaks is good, I'm surprised why the media is making them look like the bad guys in this story, I'm quite sure if the media had this website's sources they'd be all over it like a rash.

ThaFlash · 04-12-2010, 11:52 AM

it was the moderater than mentioned assasasinations, are you talking about the moderator?

it's part of the topic, i can't see what the problem is.

everyone want's someone dead, that's life...

P.S. so we can only have discussion as long at it fits your criteria, sounds like the same thing all the media is doing to the wiki leaks founder. aren't we aloud to speak the truth? the truth being a point of view in this case...

bungarra · 04-12-2010, 12:01 PM

Wake me in time for the revolution :P

Barnaby · 04-12-2010, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Damo

I'm surprised why the media is making them look like the bad guys in this story, I'm quite sure if the media had this website's sources they'd be all over it like a rash.

Because Wikileaks are making them look stupid. People wont leak to the media because they know when the pressure is on the writer will expose the source and they end up in jail. Thats the beauty of the wikileaks system...unless your an idiot and expose yourself, your protected.

Remember the footage of the 2 Reuters reporters getting wasted in Iraq? Not only did Wikileaks release this footage they also exposed the fact that a New York times or Washington Post (I cant remember which one it was now) editor had that footage for 6-12 months before the Wikileaks release. He had no intension of releasing it because he knew the consequences for his rag and his own career.

XR6Runner · 04-12-2010, 12:14 PM

Taken from article:
"Shut down WikiLeaks, which represents a far greater threat to our national security than the sale of fake Louis Vuitton purses."

Am I missing something here?

fmc351 · 04-12-2010, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6Runner

Taken from article:
"Shut down WikiLeaks, which represents a far greater threat to our national security than the sale of fake Louis Vuitton purses."

Am I missing something here?

One of the US anti-terrorism depts took down a heap of websites that enabled the sale of fakes, handbags, watches etc. There was an uproar over that action of an anti terrorist dept, and not shutting down Wikileaks. Same old, people trying to defend their right to circumvent copyright. I read arguments that suggested it was bad for the US economy to shut down sites that enable the Chinese to flood them with cheap knockoffs.

Jim Goose · 04-12-2010, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by HP4ME

it was the moderater than mentioned assasasinations, are you talking about the moderator?

it's part of the topic, i can't see what the problem is.

everyone want's someone dead, that's life...

P.S. so we can only have discussion as long at it fits your criteria, sounds like the same thing all the media is doing to the wiki leaks founder. aren't we aloud to speak the truth? the truth being a point of view in this case...

Maybe you should re-read some of the comments posted in case you missed them or misunderstood them.....

And if you think supporting or coming on say "yea man he should die cause he is scum" is "discussing" something, then what can one say...

tranquilized · 04-12-2010, 02:26 PM

My understanding of Wikileaks is, that it exposes fraudulent and/or suppressed information, relating to policies and actions by often corrupt governments and corporations, which can lead to thousands of deaths of innocent people.

And people want to take issue with Wikileaks for maybe causing the death of a handful of people working for these corrupt governments/corporations/groups/whoever? Really???

Imagine how many lives could be saved if governments weren't given free reign to wage wars on false pretenses without fear of being exposed?

Only recently a few ex members of the FBI publically claimed the 9-11 attacks could have been averted if Wikileaks had existed back then. Intelligence was ignored, glaring airport security issues were discovered, and ignored. If these people had a safe way to make this information known, without killing their career, they would have done so.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/...,5616717.story

The world NEEDS Wikileaks. Julian Assange is a hero, soon to be martyr I'd say. Why do you think the US government wants him dead? Because he's getting in the way of all the good, selfless work they're doing to help the world become a better place? Wake up!! Stop believing EVERYTHING that your forced fed by the pathetic media who’s agenda is entirely controlled by the very people Wikileaks is exposing.

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Originally Posted by wrongwaynorris

Julian Assange is a grand standing XXXXker and if what he has ILLEGALLY released leads to one persons death he should be executed . Look at Me Look at Me look at Me grandstanding XXXXker.

So to put your thinking in simple and blunt terms: Who cares about the millions of innocent dead in the middle east, as long as zero army personnel is lost.

Am I right? I hope not...

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Originally Posted by HP4ME

why does the pope roll around in a bullet proof car if he is ordaned by GOD!

why is he (assange) in hiding, if he hasn't done anything wrong?

i wish that peice of maggot filth was not born here, a low life dirty rat fink albino terrorist bastard that usually appears in 007 flix and I can't wait till he dissapears for good.

aussies don't roll like that....

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

He is in hiding because the US government wants him dead! And no, thats not some crazy conspiracy theory. I saw footage on tv last night of a US government official saying he wants Julian Assange assassinated.

I'm pound that this guys an Aussie.

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Originally Posted by wrongwaynorris

Governments ( like all of us ) do have things to hide in the interests of national security and the safety of their citizens and agents . If there were no Kim Jong Ils , Osama Bin Ladens , Pol Potts , Adolf Hitlers , Josef Stalins , Nikolai Chaucescu's , Fidel Castro's et al et al et al . You may begin to have a point but the world is not a rosy place .

So to follow your logic you'd be perfectly happy with people rifling through your garbage and or email account etc etc and releasing your medical records , your banking details , your salary details , your sexual leanings , what kind of things you look at on the net or order online , transcripts of your phone conversations etc etc etc . you know the kind of things where there is an expectation of privacy let alone legislation to keep it private as in the case of diplomatic and military communications . The facebook generation has a hell of a lot to answer for.

Hardly an accurate analogy. Sticking with it though, say wikileaks was in the business of recieving information on joe publics private life, they wouldn't be releasing information on innocent people, who are doing nothing to harm others. They would only be recieving information on people with something to hide in the first place.

I agree that some government information needs to remain confidential, but I doubht anything that’s come out through Wikileaks would fall into that category.

ThaFlash · 04-12-2010, 02:41 PM

he will end up like abdula oculan soon... and I bet none of you even know who is until you do a google search, as that is the extent of some of the posters knowledge here...

Assange broke ranks, content/info aint the issue as much as the way he diseminated information, he ruined it for like minded organasations and individuals, both sides of the fence will want him dealt with.

and now the world leaders will get their way cheaply, for free, for nothing, NADA zip, ziltch didly squat....

telling the truth (if that's even what happend) might now be an act of terrorism...

HP4ME part time forum antogonist is signing off from this thread, until the next google search for knowledge.....

XR6Runner · 04-12-2010, 04:49 PM

tranquilized, I completely agree with everything you just posted.

Looking at the US government, they have the right to basically own your life if they suspect you to be a 'terrorist'. You have no privacy, you have no rights, if they deem you a terrorist, or ANYTHING to do with terrorism. And over there, they will keep you behind bars before you can even have a chance to prove your innocence.

Wikileaks, reveals the truth about a completely corrupt system. There is nothing wrong with that. When did people start hating on 'whistle blowers'? Where have peoples morals gone?

They say that Wikileaks is a danger to US safety. No its not, the US is a danger to it self. They have done too much bad and being great terrorists them selves, especially recently in the middle east. How many innocent people must die at the hands of the US? How many hospitals, schools, journalists, innocent people must be destroyed by the US, with them claiming "Our intelligence told us so" as their excuse, before action is taken?

Why did the 9/11 attacks happen? They were not unprovoked in any way, they were provoked by the wrongful doing of the US government.

Wikileaks is bringing what SHOULD be brought to the general public. The truth. Too many innocent humans have died, but I guess the US doesn't care, because those innocent, weren't US citizens.

wrongwaynorris · 04-12-2010, 05:37 PM

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i agree . close the thread

Now who's scared of thre truth coming out !