Bad car accident

[xisled]

Just thought I would post this. Very tragic and a lot of my friends know the people involved.

http://m.theage.com.au/victoria/wron...208-2b1u7.html

[Werd.]

along with the female driver of the BMW who had swerved wildly for almost 30 kilometres from Werribee South to Lara before the tragic crash.

And no one did anything about it? Where were the police at? Or did people just not care enough to report her.

I assume the BMW driver was blackout drunk, it's a shame that people are still stupid enough to not think about the consequences of drink driving..

Definitely not going to be easy for anyone to get over this accident.
Shouldn't have overloaded the WRX though.

[NickyN]

Unfortunately, people forget incidents like this or think it'll never happen to me and then they drink and drive.

During the holidays, totaled cars from wrecks are placed where they'll be noticed (like alongside huge grassy areas of freeway on ramps, gas stations, and other places) (safely and at safe distances). They are visual reminders that this can happen. I've seen those cars and I wonder what happened to the occupants of that car. But it does what it's intended to do - it makes stop and think.

[Cúl-Báire]

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/q...-1226532844535

Another equally as sad accident occured in QLD yesterday also - five people killed four of which were in a stationary car waiting to be towed.

[P6LTD351]

Condolences to the innocent parties that were killed in both accidents. So tragic for their families.

To the people that caused the crashes (they are not accidents, they are crashes - there is a difference), you got off too easily.

I just don't understand how things like this happen. Some people really are idiots and have no respect for their own, or more importantly, other people's lives.

Totally shattering.

[mik]

The thing is apart from stupidly caused accidents, people forget there is always an element of risk while driving, sometimes just being in the wrong place at the wrong time when some one makes a mistake is all it needs to end you life.
At holiday time of year there's a lot of people driving out of their comfort zone on unfamiliar roads, be careful people !

[GT014]

Originally Posted by Werd.

And no one did anything about it? Where were the police at? Or did people just not care enough to report her.

There were numerous calls and police were on route, but playing catch up when a car is traveling at 100km/h and has a 5 min head start is a little hard. Bit of common sense, they can't be Johnny on the spot all the time.

[P6LTD351]

Originally Posted by GT014

There were numerous calls and police were on route, but playing catch up when a car is traveling at 100km/h and has a 5 min head start is a little hard. Bit of common sense, they can't be Johnny on the spot all the time.

Exactly. Let's not blame others or the cops all the time. There was a person who made a decision and it was the WRONG one. It is that person's SOLE responsibility. Unfortunately, it has resulted in not only their death, but innocent young people.

[Revolver]

That is an epic crash. The Subaru is less than 3/4 of its original wheelbase. That is A LOT of force. Hate to see the BMW after that. Sobering images there.

[2011G6E]

I've noticed that run off areas and what they jokingly call "break down lanes" seem to be getting smaller and smaller, or non existant, these days.

Out here they've done up a lot of the Capricorn Highway, and in some areas, once the bitumen stops there's a sharp drop off down towards the gutter. Makes it fun when you come across a wide load and the escort copper is flashing his lights and waving at you to pull off the road..."Where do you suggest I go, officer?" is usually my response on the two way...

[EDManual]

I drove past that yesterday morning! Didnt know thats what was going on! Dont forget its more than likely suicide. I saw a few crashed cars still on the highway at about 2pm Saturday. Must have taken away the worst as there were a few random slightly damaged cars lying around and many police cars.

Terrible to think some idiot 'possibly' trying to kill themselves can cause so many people to not come back home.

[mr smith]

Maybe the BMW driver was on a suicide run. A driver friend had a clown plow head on into his truck after an argument with his girlfriend, luckily my mate survived and unfortunately the clown survived.
Maybe they should have left the fences off the Westgate?

[AWD Chaser]

Originally Posted by Werd.

And no one did anything about it? Where were the police at? Or did people just not care enough to report her.

Dont worry - im sure the fixed speed cameras will catch her... oh wait....

[Keepleft]

Originally Posted by Cúl-Báire

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/q...-1226532844535

Another equally as sad accident occured in QLD yesterday also - five people killed four of which were in a stationary car waiting to be towed.

Below:-

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

I've noticed that run off areas and what they jokingly call "break down lanes" seem to be getting smaller and smaller, or non existant, these days.

For motorway class the left emergency shoulder width is 3,0m under AUSROADS criteria. Older type had widths ranging 1,6-2,5m.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/77585811/Me...ept%202012.wmv
Link is TENS coverage of NSW's new breakdown safety strategy, take a view.

NSW Pdf of this subject, note the 'action plan':-
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/roadsafety..._september.pdf

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

I've noticed that run off areas and what they jokingly call "break down lanes" seem to be getting smaller and smaller, or non existant, these days.

Out here they've done up a lot of the Capricorn Highway, and in some areas, once the bitumen stops there's a sharp drop off down towards the gutter. Makes it fun when you come across a wide load and the escort copper is flashing his lights and waving at you to pull off the road..."Where do you suggest I go, officer?" is usually my response on the two way...

The problem is so many drivers just don't give a toss any more. When going to Uni there was this 1 driver who would ALWAYS zoom past me in the break down lane when there was heavy traffic...

Last night driving to The Entrance on the F3 I saw a car parked at the base of those brake fail run off lanes.. that was the best place for that driver to take his phone call....

[Ford_The_Win]

Originally Posted by Cúl-Báire

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/q...-1226532844535

Another equally as sad accident occured in QLD yesterday also - five people killed four of which were in a stationary car waiting to be towed.

That's really sad, now a little baby girl will grow up without ever knowing her parents, all because of someone's stupid mistake.

[FGII-XR6]

Assistant Commissioner Jack Blayney said other drivers had contacted police after narrowly avoiding the BMW, but the crash occurred near the Avalon Road overpass as police from the Lara station rushed to the scene.

the story clearly stated there were a number of reports and the collision happened as the police were on their way, but don't let facts get in the way of a good outraged post

Originally Posted by Werd.

And no one did anything about it? Where were the police at? Or did people just not care enough to report her.

I assume the BMW driver was blackout drunk, it's a shame that people are still stupid enough to not think about the consequences of drink driving..

Definitely not going to be easy for anyone to get over this accident.
Shouldn't have overloaded the WRX though.

[JC]

Our local news started with the line "Police are asking drivers to slow down on the roads...." So they are pushing the speed mantra again when neither of these appears to have been caused by speed (just sheer stupidity).

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by eb2monty

To the people that caused the crashes (they are not accidents, they are crashes - there is a difference), you got off too easily.

In both instances they died, so what would you call NOT getting off easily ?

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

In both instances they died, so what would you call NOT getting off easily ?

Probably surviving and being stuck with the guilt, or having a physical reminder ie stuck in a wheel chair / missing limbs would be my guess.

[The Yeti]

Originally Posted by the age

THERE was no warning and no time to react when a speeding BMW on the wrong side of the Princes Highway ploughed head-on into a WRX Subaru loaded with six young friends returning from a night out in Geelong.

This is a tragic crash and I'm not going to attack the driver of the Subaru as if the BMW wasn't on the wrong side they may have gotten away with it

But if the report is correct why were there 6 people in the wrx?

[xisled]

Just some more pictures.

http://m.heraldsun.com.au/news/pictu...2733486?page=6

[Pinkbits]

Nobody knows the circumstances behind this tragic incident, so please refrain from speculating on what may or may not have occurred.

[EDManual]

Originally Posted by Pinkbits

Nobody knows the circumstances behind this tragic incident, so please refrain from speculating on what may or may not have occurred.

seriously, its not speculating to suggest its a suicide mission (close calls with other cars!..??). And yes, so many people are killing themselves in other ways with consequences other than just for themselves and their close family since the westgate got the fences put up.

You wonder why they never had fences on it? Its because of this reason exactly. Sadly that bloke that threw his daughter off put an end to jumpers.

Sad but true.

Sorry to break it to you. Sad truth.

[FGII-XR6]

the fact is none of us know what happened and maybe we never will, your speculation can increase the suffering of friends or family if they are members here.
arguing with a green on something like this is not the wisest of moves

Originally Posted by EDManual

seriously, its not speculating to suggest its a suicide mission (close calls with other cars!..??). And yes, so many people are killing themselves in other ways with consequences other than just for themselves and their close family since the westgate got the fences put up.

You wonder why they never had fences on it? Its because of this reason exactly. Sadly that bloke that threw his daughter off put an end to jumpers.

Sad but true.

Sorry to break it to you. Sad truth.

[Full Noise]

Considering that there are more fixed speed cameras on this section of road that any other road in Australia, I’m surprised that this happened. Weren’t the fixed cams on this road supposed to prevent this? Sarcasm off.

You cannot legislate against stupidity, and you will never eliminate it, however, was this sheer stupidity or was it a suicide attempt from the stupid woman in the BMW?

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/wr...208-2b1u7.html

The reports are that the BMW had travelled up to 30 kilometres on the wrong side of the road, FFS, that’s nearly 20 minutes at 100 km/h. How could anyone travel on the Geelong Freeway, even at midnight and not realise it for 20 minutes?

Originally Posted by Cameron Houston and Deborah Gough from The Age

There was no warning and no time to react when a speeding BMW on the wrong side of the Princes Highway ploughed head-on into a WRX Subaru loaded with six young friends returning from a night out in Geelong.

Absolute BS. Typical bloody journos, know stuff all and suddenly their opinion is classed as fact. How do they know the BMW was speeding? From what I can see, it was just on the wrong side of the road.

In my opinion, both parties are at fault here, and before half of you people get your frilly little knickers in a twist over my comments, just think about this for a second.

The section of road where this crash (I will not use the word accident) happened is relatively flat, there are some very mild undulations a bit further on but the driver in the Subaru would have had at least 2 kilometres of clear visibility. Assuming that they were both travelling at 100 km/h, and because the impact point of the cars was just before the inductive loops of the speed cam, it’s safe to assume that at least the Subaru (being a local) was travelling at around "the dollar" 100 km/h.

So at a closing speed of 200 km/h, that’s a closing distance of 55.56 metres a second. The driver of the Subaru would have had (at the very least)18 seconds to realise that there was a car on the wrong side of the road coming at him, at night with its headlights on.

How many people here would drive along a freeway at 100 km/h for 18 seconds with their bloody eyes shut?

If you saw someone on the wrong side of the freeway coming at you, what would you do?
If you were able, would you just try and get off the road?
Would you keep going because you’re on the “correct” side of the road and are willing to die just to prove a point?
Would you drive along the freeway looking six feet in front of your car and not even notice someone coming at you?

With the amount of people in the Subaru, there’s a good chance that they were all talking and the driver may have not realised due to being distracted. Either way, dead is dead regardless of who’s to blame and if this was a case of absolute stupidity and not a suicide attempt, the driver of the Subaru contributed to it. I may sound harsh but that’s a simple fact.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/q...-1226532844535

As for this, I just shake my head at the utter stupidity from ALL involved here.
Anyone with half a brain would not sit in a broken down car on the fog line of the M1 at Coomra, or any other freeway for that matter. Why didn’t they get out of the car, hop over the Armco rail and wait over on near the trees? I know that’s what I would have done.

Now...
Was the car fully in the emergency lane?
Was the car left standing with its park lights on?
Was the car left with its hazard lights on?
Was the car left with no lights on?

Chances are, we will never know, but hopefully, some of the people mourning the loss of their friends will hopefully learn a valuable lesson when it comes to sitting inside a broken down vehicle on a freeway at night.

I may sound hash, I make no apology for that.

All of these deaths were caused by stupidity and all were preventable.

There are so many families and friends whose lives will never be the same simply because of a few poor decisions made with these tragic crashes.
I am not a heartless p**k, I have seen the results of these types of crashes with my own eyes, so I can assure those here, I speak from experience.

RIP to all of those involved.

Edit. During the time it took me to write this, there were 15 replies, so anything I have written here is not deliberately disobeying mods or anyone else.

[Streets]

Glad we have so many forensic crash investigators on this forum to assist with attributing blame before the bodies have cooled.

Saying "I don't mean to be a *****" doesn't mean you're not a *****.

[MWTB]

I wonder if they'll say speed was a factor next time an old lady with dementia plows through a family's front yard and living room. Or does that just apply to young people and their 'hoon' attitudes?

R.I.P to yet more senselessly lost lives on our roads.

[JC]

One word. Drugs.

[Adamz Ghia]

For all we know, the WRX could have moved over in hope of missing them and she's gone and turned into their lane. Kinda like when you're walking down a footpath and someone is coming the other way and you both do that little left- right dance to get around each other because you don't know where the other person is going. Only as you said, this was at a 200km/h closing speed. So how much distance is covered between each second guess? It's easy to say just pull over, but in the heat of the moment with another car comming the wrong way (who here has seen that before or would expect that down that free way?) it's not always easy to make the correct decision.