Drugged drivers...

[Jim Goose]

Pretty sad indication of our society isn't it?
It would probably explain some dangerous, if not suicidal tendancies in some driver behavour on the road that you see dayin and day out....

Thousands of drugged drivers caught by police
Updated 59 minutes ago


More than 300 people have been caught driving with drugs in their system in the last six months. (ABC Graphics)
Over 2,000 people have been caught driving while under the influence of drugs, since the introduction of random drug testing in Victoria.

Victoria was the first place in the world to introduce random testing five-and-a-half years ago.

Since then, over 120,000 drivers have been tested and 2,000 people have been caught driving under the influence of drugs.

That is a rate of 1 in every 61 drivers.

Eighty-three per cent of those caught had been taking speed.

Cannabis and ecstasy were also detected.

Victoria Police have caught more than 300 people driving under the influence of drugs in the past six months alone.

Figures show 87 per cent of those caught are male and over one-third are under 26-years-old.

Police say that driving while on drugs poses the same risk as driving while drunk.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...15/2953989.htm

[FTE72]

It is a shame they do not test for prescription drugs as well.

[ltd]

It's pretty dumb and completely dangerous. Just before the district court yesterday was a drugged out woman who on Christmas day ran down a woman who was in her own driveway, and killed the 8 month old unborn child she was carrying. Apparently, it wasn't her first time being caught driving under the influence of drugs. Meanwhile, some legal aid pimp will say she had a rough childhood and therefore only deserves a community sentence order.
These figures you have quoted leave me to believe that as a species we humans are devolving.

[SEZ213]

Originally Posted by ltd

It's pretty dumb and completely dangerous. Just before the district court yesterday was a drugged out woman who on Christmas day ran down a woman who was in her own driveway, and killed the 8 month old unborn child she was carrying. Apparently, it wasn't her first time being caught driving under the influence of drugs. Meanwhile, some legal aid pimp will say she had a rough childhood and therefore only deserves a community sentence order.
These figures you have quoted leave me to believe that as a species we humans are devolving.

I'm inclined to agree with the devolving part, it's part of the new 'softly softly' approach we take with everything. No one wants to accept responsibility and we're expected to feel sorry for people because they had a horrible life prior to the incident - well, as some stage or another you have to accept that the only way your life is going to get any better...is to change it, instead of expecting everyone else to just accept that you're a ninkimpoop...

[302 XC]

Drivers should be tested for driver fatigue as well
Those 3 ,
Alcohol
Drugs
Fatigue
Are all as bad as each other

[BOSHOG]

i expected those numbers to be higher. to me that says there should be more drug vans on the roads, in the right places and times

[flappist]

Originally Posted by ltd

These figures you have quoted leave me to believe that as a species we humans are devolving.

For hundreds of thousands of years human beings have evolved. We as a species became stronger and smarter as the weak and stupid tended to be killed and therefore did not reproduce as much.

Then, in the middle of the 20th century, a terrible chemical weapon was unleashed on an unsuspecting public.

THE CONTRACEPTIVE PILL

Now humans could control how many children they have without restricting "activities".

But there was a problem.....

Intelligent women remembered to take their pills and have their planned family of 2.5 intelligent children and a dog.

Stupid women forget to take their pills and have 7.8 stupid children, 12 dogs, 4 cats and a parrot.

Due the the exponential increase in the ratio of stupid vs intelligent people and the democaratic systems in place in most of the western world in three generations into this pandemic we are faced with an increase of stupid people in places of power put there by other stupid people.

The signs of stupidity are everywhere not only in the political, legal or media arenas but in just day to day living. (Croc riding anyone?)

We are gradually devolving and will continue to do so until either we wipe ourselves out, get overtaken by another species (indigenous or extraterrestrial) or we split into two groups with one being subserviant to the other.

The forth option, we wake up to ourselves and start evolving again, would require the acceptance that we are not all equal and can never be made that way by lowering standards and tightening restrictions to allow inferior people to do things they are not really capable of.

There is very little chance of that happening.......

[BOSHOG]

Originally Posted by flappist

For hundreds of thousands of years human beings have evolved. We as a species became stronger and smarter as the weak and stupid tended to be killed and therefore did not reproduce as much.

Then, in the middle of the 20th century, a terrible chemical weapon was unleashed on an unsuspecting public.

THE CONTRACEPTIVE PILL

Now humans could control how many children they have without restricting "activities".

But there was a problem.....

Intelligent women remembered to take their pills and have their planned family of 2.5 intelligent children and a dog.

Stupid women forget to take their pills and have 7.8 stupid children, 12 dogs, 4 cats and a parrot.

Due the the exponential increase in the ratio of stupid vs intelligent people and the democaratic systems in place in most of the western world in three generations into this pandemic we are faced with an increase of stupid people in places of power put there by other stupid people.

The signs of stupidity are everywhere not only in the political, legal or media arenas but in just day to day living. (Croc riding anyone?)

We are gradually devolving and will continue to do so until either we wipe ourselves out, get overtaken by another species (indigenous or extraterrestrial) or we split into two groups with one being subserviant to the other.

The forth option, we wake up to ourselves and start evolving again, would require the acceptance that we are not all equal and can never be made that way by lowering standards and tightening restrictions to allow inferior people to do things they are not really capable of.

There is very little chance of that happening.......

as long as these bogans keep breeding, i keep getting my lawn mowed at a reasonable rate

[auxr]

Flappist - - you have finally hit the nail on the head, your short story would have to be the final analysis of the Ford v Holden argument.

[mrbaxr6t]

flappist you are pretty much bang on the money but lets not forget that these forgetful women are sleeping with the biggest dropkick they can find on a friday/saturday night so those nights become about guys trying to prove who is the biggest dropkick. Maybe if these forgetful women had kids to guys with a brain this wouldn't be so bad.

[302 XC]

Flappist,
Good read there
But i think you forgot one "major"issue in the breeding program !!!
GOVERNMENT BABY BONUS
The true extent of bogans breeding or maybe cross breeding wont become relevant for at least 12-13 years
Then we will see some 2 headed people (or maybe 3 if the breeding/cross breeding worked well )

[SEZ213]

Originally Posted by flappist

For hundreds of thousands of years human beings have evolved. We as a species became stronger and smarter as the weak and stupid tended to be killed and therefore did not reproduce as much.

Then, in the middle of the 20th century, a terrible chemical weapon was unleashed on an unsuspecting public.

THE CONTRACEPTIVE PILL

Now humans could control how many children they have without restricting "activities".

But there was a problem.....

Intelligent women remembered to take their pills and have their planned family of 2.5 intelligent children and a dog.

Stupid women forget to take their pills and have 7.8 stupid children, 12 dogs, 4 cats and a parrot.

Due the the exponential increase in the ratio of stupid vs intelligent people and the democaratic systems in place in most of the western world in three generations into this pandemic we are faced with an increase of stupid people in places of power put there by other stupid people.

The signs of stupidity are everywhere not only in the political, legal or media arenas but in just day to day living. (Croc riding anyone?)

We are gradually devolving and will continue to do so until either we wipe ourselves out, get overtaken by another species (indigenous or extraterrestrial) or we split into two groups with one being subserviant to the other.

The forth option, we wake up to ourselves and start evolving again, would require the acceptance that we are not all equal and can never be made that way by lowering standards and tightening restrictions to allow inferior people to do things they are not really capable of.

There is very little chance of that happening.......

Can I quote this at the end of my proposal!?!?! That is gold...and very very true...Let's all revolt! Flappy for the big mans job! :P

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by 302 XC

Then we will see some 2 headed people (or maybe 3 if the breeding/cross breeding worked well )

You obviously haven't been to Tasmania......... (Well. someone had to say it )

[paule11]

Absolute gold flappist if that goes out as an email it will circulate for ever

[flappist]

Originally Posted by paule11

Absolute gold flappist if that goes out as an email it will circulate for ever

Be my guest.

I just made it up (well actually I had the idea a few years ago but that is the latest iteration of the story)

[Bud Bud]

Originally Posted by ltd

It's pretty dumb and completely dangerous. Just before the district court yesterday was a drugged out woman who on Christmas day ran down a woman who was in her own driveway, and killed the 8 month old unborn child she was carrying. Apparently, it wasn't her first time being caught driving under the influence of drugs. Meanwhile, some legal aid pimp will say she had a rough childhood and therefore only deserves a community sentence order.
These figures you have quoted leave me to believe that as a species we humans are devolving.

Devolving is a very good way of putting it LTD. It seems that the more freedoms that we have awarded ourselves (especially since the 60's) the worse the problem becomes. Everybody seems to know their rights ok but how many know their responsibilities that come with those rights???

And it is just not the users, even some legislators really don’t seem to want to take a responsible attitude for the real drug problems that has created this "devolving" (of what could ultimately become a human sub specious) either. I can't believe that they have softened over the years as well. The fallout of all this is that harm minimisation has become the new order over the last 20 years or so and a lot of people think that this type of behaviour it is ok now. In S.A. I have heard people say that is legal to grow three plants??? WTF??? It has never been legal to grow any plants in S.A., just decriminalised (another legislative golden milestone). This is why people now have such contempt for the drug laws. When I was a kid it was just classified illegal period.

I know some people think that drugs heighten your awareness, but this is only in your little world and cannot factor in anything that you can't control such as other drivers mistakes slippery conditions etc. I love the ad when the surgeon says "don't worry I am more careful when I am out of it" (after a toke on a bong) or when the pilot says "relax it makes me more alert" after a finishing a line (what do you think when you see this ad LTD?) because to the rest of the evolving human race this ad says it all.

Going by the police figures, 1 in 61 drivers are drug stoned, so to see how bad this problem is, see how long it takes to count 61 cars going in the opposite direction on the way home tonite. How would you like the one that is stoned to respond to an emergency around you? I share the same view for drink drivers as well.

Either some people are just plain stupid or refuse to get it or they just do not care at all.

Bud Bud

[Bud Bud]

Just read your post flappist and it now explains-

a) the significance of the 60's
b) where some of those legislators may have actually come from

Brilliant!

[max_torq]

since the article says 'ecstasy and cannabis were also detected'. They are probably talking mostly about amphetamines.

[joolz]

In another report the use of "speed" was compared with being 0.05...

On the otherhand the US Airforce thinks amphetamines (uppers and downers) in otherwords "speed" benifets pilots, see link.

http://www.counterpunch.org/heard01232003.html

[flappist]

Originally Posted by joolz

In another report the use of "speed" was compared with being 0.05...

On the otherhand the US Airforce thinks amphetamines (uppers and downers) in otherwords "speed" benifets pilots, see link.

http://www.counterpunch.org/heard01232003.html

Yeh but they are SUPPOSED to be killing people........

[66GT]

maybe if the gene pool can't be modified, the non revenue raising governments might consider swapping speed camera vans who are checking everyones speed to vans capable of checking licence, rego, drug & alchol testing. If everyone was tested this would certainly reduce your speed for a bit, & should go a long way to removing many of these idots from the roads, therefore making them much safer for those who do the right thing.

[Iggypoppin']

Originally Posted by flappist

For hundreds of thousands of years human beings have evolved. We as a species became stronger and smarter as the weak and stupid tended to be killed and therefore did not reproduce as much.

Then, in the middle of the 20th century, a terrible chemical weapon was unleashed on an unsuspecting public.

THE CONTRACEPTIVE PILL

Now humans could control how many children they have without restricting "activities".

But there was a problem.....

Intelligent women remembered to take their pills and have their planned family of 2.5 intelligent children and a dog.

Stupid women forget to take their pills and have 7.8 stupid children, 12 dogs, 4 cats and a parrot.

Due the the exponential increase in the ratio of stupid vs intelligent people and the democaratic systems in place in most of the western world in three generations into this pandemic we are faced with an increase of stupid people in places of power put there by other stupid people.

The signs of stupidity are everywhere not only in the political, legal or media arenas but in just day to day living. (Croc riding anyone?)

We are gradually devolving and will continue to do so until either we wipe ourselves out, get overtaken by another species (indigenous or extraterrestrial) or we split into two groups with one being subserviant to the other.

The forth option, we wake up to ourselves and start evolving again, would require the acceptance that we are not all equal and can never be made that way by lowering standards and tightening restrictions to allow inferior people to do things they are not really capable of.

There is very little chance of that happening.......

Need a new plasma? Pop out a kid.
Need a new car? Pop out a kid?
Need smack? Pop out a kid
top post flappist rep for you

[04redxr8]

All the other species on the planet manage to find the carrier of the idiot gene, and kill it. Except for humans. We nurture it, raise it, cherish it, and protect it. Even our crocs won't kill it.

These figures are alarming. It shows how wrong we have it in Queensland. Our Police are the lowest paid, we spend a fortune on revenue cameras, and I don't even know if they do drug testing here. I have never seen it.

Some years ago (it may have been 7-8) a young female P-plater driving through Surfers Paradise lost control of her car, mounted a footpath and drove through a heap of pestrians. From memory, a small child was killed, and a few people were injured. It was revealed that she had been inhaling butane moments before driving. She lost her license for 3 years, but I don't remember if she got a suspended sentence or a ridiculously short sentence.

She got of lightly due to some sob story. Anyway, not long after she was again in trouble with law, and again getting nothing more than a slap on the wrist. The problem is that while we have do-gooders, and a judicial that panders to these idiots, the problem will only get worse.

[bdave351]

Im sorry, I thought all the new mobile cameras on ford tezza's had just solved all our road toll problems by taking happy snaps.

Im sure they will have this sorted out pretty quick, with a new macquarie bank version of the tezza that does scratch and sniff on your car as it drives past and takes your photo to mail you a fine in a few weeks saying your car was stoned and a danger to others.

Then they can 'release' another few hundred coppers thus saving the state govt even more

Im going to sit in the corner and be cynical now.

PS - I support the stoning (with rocks) of all drug drivers.

[Jim Goose]

Jesus... Im agreeing with Flappist.

Bogan males and females are definately on the rise.
One could say that the link from alcohol and drug abuse (which is on the extreme rise) is partly to blame to.
When I was of the niteclubbing age I never saw any females fighting on the streets.
Now all we ever see on the news is more and more girls punching each others lights out, whether it is at school or in some drunken binge at a niteclub.

Bogan males are everywhre here in Townsville, its like some bad experiement (I was born here so i have noticed the change).
Im not kidding when I say their foreheads look almost like ... some missing link from the gene pool gone wrong.
Some of these people serious dont want to better themselves or educate themselves.

One lovely female last year here had driven through a red light and run into a car killing her toddler instantly. The 2yr old was not strapped in and was apparently in the front seat!

A number of times in the past few years several mums have been caught drink driving while picking up or dropping off their kids from school. One mum was caught at 8am drunk! And they were high end readings above .15

Another drunk mum got her 16yr P plater daughter to drive her home a few yrs ago and drove into a raging flooded causeway. She drove around the ROAD FLOODED signs and barricades!!! The car was swept 100m downstream and mum who was highly intoxicated had to be rescued while the daughter had swum to safety.
A week later some moron in tiny little 4 cyclinder car did the same thing!
Seemingly he also drove around the signs...

Sigh...

[dannyhilton]

The problem is people don't think of others on the road. If you want to be stupid, and run into a tree and die that's your prerogative. But when you hit someone, and they pay the price for your stupidity, well thats ludicrously stupid. Not to mention our services that have to deal with the crap they have to because of these idiots, I can't imagine some of the horrors our police services etc have seen.

Devolving, I second that.

[vztrt]

haha at devolving, pretty sure people have been driving on drugs for decades. But they now have a test (even if V1.0 gave false readings) to quantify it.

Anyone have the figures for drink drivers caught in this period of time?

[Mad Maxine]

As far as I can see, Australia has one of the most car-oriented cultures. SOME kids think it's a right not a privilege to drive a car, and even given the fact that at 17, many young adults just do not have the life experience or wisdom from practice that older drivers have, this doesn't stop SOME of them from doing incredibly stupid, dangerous and life threatening things while in control of a vehicle. Peer pressure is partly to blame, but I do worry when I see P platers in new Subarus and overpowered V8 cars etc that have motors powerful enough to suck spit off the moon. What happened to driving your first year in a boring small car to get your skills up? Judgement often doesn't come until you've had a few close shaves and if you survive those, you learn from them. I would like to see driving classes in highschool, full stop.

Anyway, back to the drugs thing: Bring on the car fitting that won't let you drive if you have any drugs or alcohol in your bloodstream/body. I had my car totalled many years ago by some bozo off his face on something, pupils like pinpricks, high as a kite. I was left with the bill, but luckily no injuries for me (he also got off scot free).

Drug testing at the workplace is going to pick up momentum now - I hear it's all the go in the construction industry which makes sense, given that these folks are working in extremely dangerous industries with not much room for error when it comes to heavy machinery and huge chunks of building materials etc.

I can't comment on the devolving of the species, or I'll start foaming at the mouth, so I'll just leave it there

[Jim Goose]

Originally Posted by Mad Maxine

Anyway, back to the drugs thing: Bring on the car fitting that won't let you drive if you have any drugs or alcohol in your bloodstream/body. I had my car totalled many years ago by some bozo off his face on something, pupils like pinpricks, high as a kite. I was left with the bill, but luckily no injuries for me (he also got off scot free).

Drug testing at the workplace is going to pick up momentum now - I hear it's all the go in the construction industry which makes sense, given that these folks are working in extremely dangerous industries with not much room for error when it comes to heavy machinery and huge chunks of building materials etc.

I can't comment on the devolving of the species, or I'll start foaming at the mouth, so I'll just leave it there

I can remember reading a report where they did swabs of toilets of over half or so of niteclubs in the Brisbane Valley area. Over 90% of them gave positive readings when they swabbed the toilet cisterns (HOW DISGUSTING) and the wash benches.

Yet seemingly the courts do little when someone is caught dealing/ growing or making the product.

Again we see the softly softly approach hasnt worked.

[Jim Goose]

I feel sick to my stomach here....
Just read this one.

A nine-year-old girl having a bath in her Perth home "miraculously" avoided death or serious injury when a clandestine drug laboratory exploded a couple of metres away, police say.

The girl was among five people at a Maddington house in Perth's east raided by police on Wednesday night after neighbours heard a blast and smelt ammonia.

A 39-year-old man has been charged with attempting to manufacture methylamphetamine and a 33-year-old-woman has also been charged with allowing premises to be used for making illegal drugs.

Assistant Commissioner Steve Brown said the girl was now in the care of the Department of Child Protection.

"To our distress we located in that house a young child, about two metres away from the site of the explosion, who was lying in a bath," he told ABC Radio.

"It's absolutely miraculous that that child wasn't injured seriously or actually killed in the event."

Only last week WA Police expressed concern over the number of children found living at houses where dangerous clandestine drug laboratories were operating, after uncovering six labs in two days.

Detective-Inspector Alan Morton said children were found at two of those sites and police were seriously concerned they were sometimes living in rooms where potentially explosive chemicals were stored.More than 60 clandestine labs have been found in WA so far this year