wheel spin

photn · 03-10-2006, 03:14 PM

hey guys, this has been pondering in my mind for quite some time. ive been told that its just normal but id thought id ask anyway. when i A) do a burnout B) take of on an incline quickly and my wheels spin my whole steering wheel shudders and shakes is sounds like my front wheels are bouncing up and down while trying to spin. is this standard in front wheel drice cars or should i suspect it to be a problem.

RavenLS1 · 03-10-2006, 03:17 PM

are you sure your not doing roll backs?yeah sounds like your car is tramping.

photn · 03-10-2006, 03:25 PM

i only try and spin it when im going forward from a roll back. not straigh off. i get the contact get going then just plant the throttle and drop the cltuch completely. but yer whats this "tramping" and is it bad

RavenLS1 · 03-10-2006, 03:39 PM

axle tramp, go get stiffer front springs and shocks, that should fix your problem.

Pieoter · 03-10-2006, 03:57 PM

Its axle tramp. Take off line a normal person and it won't happen.

Danny · 03-10-2006, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RAVEN81

axle tramp, go get stiffer front springs and shocks, that should fix your problem.

No It won't, Its Axle tramp, and most front wheel cars do it. Its normal for it to do it if you let off the clutch too quickly and the wheels spin. If you want to spin the wheels smoothly, the only way to make sure it doesn't tramp is to ride the clutch a bit to smoothly let it out.

There is nothing wrong with the car, but there will be so long as you keep letting it axle tramp everywhere, so be careful..

Scareybear · 03-10-2006, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

No It won't, Its Axle tramp, and most front wheel cars do it. Its normal for it to do it if you let off the clutch too quickly and the wheels spin. If you want to spin the wheels smoothly, the only way to make sure it doesn't tramp is to ride the clutch a bit to smoothly let it out.

There is nothing wrong with the car, but there will be so long as you keep letting it axle tramp everywhere, so be careful..

Yeah what he said....

photn · 03-10-2006, 07:59 PM

kool bananas fellas. thanks. im getting new springs early next year any way so

05MkIIFutura · 03-10-2006, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by photn

hey guys, this has been pondering in my mind for quite some time. ive been told that its just normal but id thought id ask anyway. when i A) do a burnout B) take of on an incline quickly and my wheels spin my whole steering wheel shudders and shakes is sounds like my front wheels are bouncing up and down while trying to spin. is this standard in front wheel drice cars or should i suspect it to be a problem.

There is no weight over the front wheels when doing this
SOLUTION: stop trying to do burnouts in a 4cyld fwd and buy a larger rwd with a bit more kw

photn · 03-10-2006, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 05MkIIFutura

There is no weight over the front wheels when doing this
SOLUTION: stop trying to do burnouts in a 4cyld fwd and buy a larger rwd with a bit more kw

what do you mean no weight. there is 60-70 percent of the weight of the car in the front over the wheels. and the 4cyld FWD is perfectly fine. it will have more than enough soon. dont you worry.

LethalLeigh · 03-10-2006, 10:57 PM

Maybe I'm getting old, but the point of spinning the wheels or doing a burnout in a FWD is pretty much lost on me these days. Sure, I don't mind giving the car some stick, but traffic light drags seem a little pointless, let alone in a Fez.

JD2004 · 03-10-2006, 10:59 PM

The only constructive drag i would enter into would be through some very windy terrain.. in which point the fez does have an advatage on some of the larger vehicles.. but off the lights i wouldnt waste my petrol.. speaking of which $1.10 for unleaded today isnt too bad..

Luke

kiwijohn42 · 04-10-2006, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by JD2004

but off the lights i wouldnt waste my petrol.. speaking of which $1.10 for unleaded today isnt too bad..

Luke

It hit 99c here on the weekend.

photn · 04-10-2006, 08:32 AM

not that i continously do burnouts but wheneveri do try i get shudder. and when ever im at the lights and the wheels spin its mostly due to it has been raining. but still it has been bothering me that the steering wheel shudders. but now i know thats its normal. im at ease.

lupin · 04-10-2006, 08:43 AM

It just makes you look like a tosser trying to do a burnout when clearly a, the car dosnt have enough power and b, your not all that good at doing one.

Get a 4WD car and just never do one, thats much more fun.

Danny · 04-10-2006, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 05MkIIFutura

SOLUTION: stop trying to do burnouts in a 4cyld fwd and buy a larger rwd with a bit more kw

There are a LOT of "4cyld fwd" cars that would put a BA Futura to crying shame mate.... You dont need a rwd car with heaps of kW at all...

Teki04 · 04-10-2006, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

There are a LOT of "4cyld fwd" cars that would put a BA Futura to crying shame mate.... You dont need a rwd car with heaps of kW at all...

I heard you drove one of those today ;)

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joshf2 · 04-10-2006, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JD2004

The only constructive drag i would enter into would be through some very windy terrain..

but wont it just blow away? just imagine, half way through a corner and a gust of wind tips the car over :P

04RSD · 04-10-2006, 08:22 PM

back on topic
tramp is the point between spin and grip it is gripping and lifting the wheel of the ground
if you want to do a skid grit your teeth and give some more revs before you pop the clutch

alstar5 · 04-10-2006, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

There are a LOT of "4cyld fwd" cars that would put a BA Futura to crying shame mate.... You dont need a rwd car with heaps of kW at all...

Yeah, but not yours hey!!!

mitch_lx · 04-10-2006, 11:40 PM

alstar5....

give me three months mate

Gti will smack you silly

alstar5 · 04-10-2006, 11:57 PM

Hehe, In 3 months we could all be dead. Live for the moment. **** I'm glad I didn't get a Festiva :hihi:

Just stirring you mate.

mitch_lx · 05-10-2006, 09:09 AM

lol ''festiva'' my god... that will stir the pot in this forum :P hahahaha

I realise you're just stirring, !

photn · 05-10-2006, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by mitch_lx

lol ''festiva'' my god... that will stir the pot in this forum :P hahahaha

I realise you're just stirring, !

im holding back. just took a couple of stress less pills. *breathing Deeply*

05MkIIFutura · 05-10-2006, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by photn

what do you mean no weight.

When you take off quickly a significant amount of weight is transferred to the rear of the vehicle - thus the advantage of rear-wheel drive

A good analogy (is that how you spell it??) is that front wheel drive car is like a car that uses the rear wheels to do most of the braking effort (whereas everyone knows that it is optimum to use the front wheels for a larger proportion of braking effort as that is where the weight, and thus traction, is held.)

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Originally Posted by photn

dont you worry.

I will be able to sleep better now knowing that you have it under control

:yeees:

Pieoter · 05-10-2006, 10:06 AM

How did you come to the conclusion that FWD use a rear based brake bias? They certanly don't.

Yep its all weight transfer, thats why a FWD is slower off the line as it can't get traction. Also why FWD drag cars use wheely bars that are nearly always in contact with the ground so to stop the weight transfer. While a RWD uses them to stop flipping over

photn · 05-10-2006, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by 05MkIIFutura

When you take off quickly a significant amount of weight is transferred to the rear of the vehicle - thus the advantage of rear-wheel drive

A good analogy (is that how you spell it??) is that front wheel drive car is like a car that uses the rear wheels to do most of the braking effort (whereas everyone knows that it is optimum to use the front wheels for a larger proportion of braking effort as that is where the weight, and thus traction, is held.)

I will be able to sleep better now knowing that you have it under control

:yeees:

some one took the wrong kinda drugs this morning.!!!

Danny · 05-10-2006, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 05MkIIFutura

When you take off quickly a significant amount of weight is transferred to the rear of the vehicle - thus the advantage of rear-wheel drive

A good analogy (is that how you spell it??) is that front wheel drive car is like a car that uses the rear wheels to do most of the braking effort (whereas everyone knows that it is optimum to use the front wheels for a larger proportion of braking effort as that is where the weight, and thus traction, is held.)

I will be able to sleep better now knowing that you have it under control

:yeees:

Yeah?

Well thats Front wheel drives for you smart@rse.

We're in a world that is heavily adopting its use now, And Modern DSC and TC systems can almost abolish all problems involved in power FW cars, so take your cooking model falcon and Fu©k off.

zing · 05-10-2006, 01:31 PM

in other words, dont diss fiesta or fwds in a fiesta forum! :P

05MkIIFutura · 05-10-2006, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Pieoter

How did you come to the conclusion that FWD use a rear based brake bias? They certanly don't.

Yep its all weight transfer, thats why a FWD is slower off the line as it can't get traction. Also why FWD drag cars use wheely bars that are nearly always in contact with the ground so to stop the weight transfer. While a RWD uses them to stop flipping over

errr, houston, i think we have a problem

definition of anology: drawing a comparison in order to show a similarity in some respect

So when I say "A good analogy is that front wheel drive car is like a car that uses the rear wheels to do most of the braking effort", you need to take special notice of the word "LIKE".

What that "like" word does is shows similarities in the reasons for fwd cars spinning driven wheels and why rear wheels are not used for braking, which is transfer of weight.

So that sentence does absolutely DOES NOT say a fwd car brakes mainly with its rear wheels.

Maybe next time you should take more itme to read the post before getting all narky and jumping for peoples necks.