F150 and Bronco for Australia

[chevypower]

Well if I understand this correctly, this indicates that F150 and Bronco will be available for IMG (International Markets Group), which includes Australia.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaJmw_fX...jpg&name=large


Some rumored specs for the “Raptor” version of the Bronco.

IFS, Solid rear axle, 315/70 R17s, front and rear lockers, electronic sway bar disconnect, 3.0L V6 EcoBoost with around 300kw/560Nm. Should be fun!

2021 F150 announcement in 2 weeks, including a V6 diesel, 3.5L V6 hybrid, and an all-electric version coming in two years. It will be interesting to see if they make a RHD announcement at the same time.

No Mustang Mach-E or Bronco Sport for Australia - A little surprising.

[naddis01]

Don't you get my hopes up!

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by naddis01

Don't you get my hopes up!

The car Gods were listening!

[Fordman1]

No mention of RHD though, until that happens I wouldn’t get too excited.

[Ben73]

Same chance of this happening as getting a V8 Ranger Raptor.

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

No mention of RHD though, until that happens I wouldn’t get too excited.

Hard to know what constitutes “IMG,” but I would have assumed it wouldn’t have been confined to Mexico. Then I think there’s Asia, Australia, NZ, and South Africa. If I were to place a bet on which of those markets had a higher demand for F150s and Broncos.... But yep, we will see when and if it happens.

[Bossxr8]

IMG covers a lot of LHD markets. There is no RHD Bronco coming, they have already said that.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by chevypower

Hard to know what constitutes “IMG,” but I would have assumed it wouldn’t have been confined to Mexico. Then I think there’s Asia, Australia, NZ, and South Africa. If I were to place a bet on which of those markets had a higher demand for F150s and Broncos.... But yep, we will see when and if it happens.

I think IMG may include Europe, Africa, Asia (not China), South America, and Oceania ?

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

I think IMG may include Europe, Africa, Asia (not China), South America, and Oceania ?

Nope. The divisions are North America, Europe, China, South America and IMG.

IMG is basically any country that doesn't fit into the first 4 groups.

[jpd80]

And my sources tell me that the V6 diesel has been quietly dropped from F150.

If anything, I hope the next Everest is a mix of Bronco - Defender at least in side profile,
and just so much more in width than the Land Rover .....

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Nope. The divisions are North America, Europe, China, South America and IMG.

IMG is basically any country that doesn't fit into the first 4 groups.

They hooked Middle East in with Africa and China was put under Asia Pacific to hide the losses
that's like hiding an elephant turd under a hallway runner, there's just no way around it...LOL.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Nope. The divisions are North America, Europe, China, South America and IMG.

IMG is basically any country that doesn't fit into the first 4 groups.

True, my bad, I think I was thinking of what your PD organisation support with Ranger (apart from North America).

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Nope. The divisions are North America, Europe, China, South America and IMG.

IMG is basically any country that doesn't fit into the first 4 groups.

So if Bronco and F150 are for IMG, it has to be Australia/NZ and/or The Middle East. I can't think of what else it could be.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by chevypower

So if Bronco and F150 are for IMG, it has to be Australia/NZ and/or The Middle East. I can't think of what else it could be.

Australia is under Asia Pacific, IMG is probably more like Middle East and Russia.

[DJR-351]

I had nfi who or what IMG was so looked around and according to.....

https://media.ford.com/content/fordm...ship-team.html

The company’s new business unit will oversee nearly 100 markets, including the company’s operations in Africa, ASEAN, Australia, India, Mexico, Middle East, New Zealand and South Korea, as well as a number of emerging and distributor markets around the world. The formation of this new business unit follows the recent establishment of China as a standalone business unit.

....and

https://premium.goauto.com.au/fresh-...anges-at-ford/

FORD Motor Company has made a string of senior-management changes that impact on its Australian operations and involve senior executives who have either worked here or held a key oversight role.

Among them, Mark Ovenden, 54, has replaced Peter Fleet as International Markets Group (IMG) president, a huge part of Ford’s business that covers almost 100 markets including Australia, New Zealand, ASEAN, India, South Korea, Mexico, the Middle East and Africa.......

...so which regions do they actually cover ? but guess it doesn't mater in the grand scheme of things, they can still decide what goes where within the region....

[GTLEGEND]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Australia is under Asia Pacific, IMG is probably more like Middle East and Russia.

Used to be until last year when they removed China from Asia Pacific to be run as stand alone and the rest of Asia Pacific fall under IMG. Australia falls under IMG as per BossXR8 thread below, he has listed the correct regions of Ford Motor Co.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by GTLEGEND

Used to be until last year when they removed China from Asia Pacific to be run as stand alone and the rest of Asia Pacific fall under IMG. Australia falls under IMG as per BossXR8 thread below, he has listed the correct regions of Ford Motor Co.

How ironic that Ford made China a stand alone region just as the losses started to deepen.

Well I won't hold my breath for anything good coming from IMG covering our market,
they're just another group of well meaning officials who don't understand our market.

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by jpd80

And my sources tell me that the V6 diesel has been quietly dropped from F150.

If anything, I hope the next Everest is a mix of Bronco - Defender at least in side profile,
and just so much more in width than the Land Rover .....

The diesel is staying for the 2021 refresh.
https://www.torquenews.com/9539/all-...021-ford-f-150

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by chevypower

The diesel is staying for the 2021 refresh.
https://www.torquenews.com/9539/all-...021-ford-f-150

That's very surprising considering the exceptionally poor take rate but it probably
explains why Ford had very little diesel F150 stock before the lock down.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Australia is under Asia Pacific, IMG is probably more like Middle East and Russia.

Australia is under IMG, there is no AP now.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by chevypower

So if Bronco and F150 are for IMG, it has to be Australia/NZ and/or The Middle East. I can't think of what else it could be.

Most likely middle east. They already have F150 Raptor etc. They love them for dune bashing.

Originally Posted by jpd80

Australia is under Asia Pacific, IMG is probably more like Middle East and Russia.

Asia Pacific is dead now. They wanted to separate China to be able to focus on it's wants and needs. They had that big sales crash there, and knew they needed to be able to supply that market with vehicles specific to them to suit Chinese tastes. Give it a couple of years and they will be much better able to compete there.

Considering how massive a market China is it's very important they have success there.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by jpd80

That's very surprising considering the exceptionally poor take rate but it probably
explains why Ford had very little diesel F150 stock before the lock down.

Just had a quick play on the US Ford configuration and you have to order the Lariat version (so not a base model) in the F-150 to be able to option the V6 Powerstroke diesel and it's $4000 extra whch is a lot of fuel to recoup the extra cost. The petrol Ecoboot 3.5V6 turbo is a $1600 option and V8 $1000 so it's not like it's priced competitvely to it's petrol siblings .

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Just had a quick play on the US Ford configuration and you have to order the Lariat version (so not a base model) in the F-150 to be able to option the V6 Powerstroke diesel and it's $4000 extra whch is a lot of fuel to recoup the extra cost. The petrol Ecoboot 3.5V6 turbo is a $1600 option and V8 $1000 so it's not like it's priced competitvely to it's petrol siblings .

They did make fleet XLT available to retail for a while but very few takers
US dealers only have a handful in stock as there’s been almost zero demand
I think that would be the case in spite of being locked into higher trim level.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by jpd80

They did make fleet XLT available to retail for a while but very few takers
US dealers only have a handful in stock as there’s been almost zero demand
I think that would be the case in spite of being locked into higher trim level.

I wonder why you would choose the diesel F-150 in the USA anyway, diesel fuel costs about 20-30% more than regular petrol and the diesel engine costs $2500-$3000 more to option. You would have to do a massive amount of driving to make any savings vs the cheaper sweet V8 or power of the V6 turbo ecoboost.
A petrol hybrid or pure EV, I'd assume will outsell the diesel from day one.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

I wonder why you would choose the diesel F-150 in the USA anyway, diesel fuel costs about 20-30% more than regular petrol and the diesel engine costs $2500-$3000 more to option. You would have to do a massive amount of driving to make any savings vs the cheaper sweet V8 or power of the V6 turbo ecoboost.
A petrol hybrid or pure EV, I'd assume will outsell the diesel from day one.

An alternative to Ram's eco-diesel V6?

Or a way to keep the V6 diesel production line going as a stop gap?

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

An alternative to Ram's eco-diesel V6?

Or a way to keep the V6 diesel production line going as a stop gap?

I tried a quick search on sales numbers between engine types but ran out of time.....you can only hide the screen at work for so long

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

I wonder why you would choose the diesel F-150 in the USA anyway, diesel fuel costs about 20-30% more than regular petrol and the diesel engine costs $2500-$3000 more to option. You would have to do a massive amount of driving to make any savings vs the cheaper sweet V8 or power of the V6 turbo ecoboost.
A petrol hybrid or pure EV, I'd assume will outsell the diesel from day one.

Honestly, just do a hybrid 5.0 V8 and job done versus GM's AFM/DFM.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Honestly, just do a hybrid 5.0 V8 and job done versus GM's AFM/DFM.

Help me get one...although I guess the V6 Ecoboost hybrid might be the preferred thinking based on Explorer and Lincoln options.

[chevypower]

This guy, Paul Maric, seems to think this a strong possibility also. Also Ranger Raptor to get 3L V6 diesel for Australia, and 2.7 EcoBoost for the US.
https://youtu.be/i6_xMSUwfe8

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by chevypower

This guy, Paul Maric, seems to think this a strong possibility also. Also Ranger Raptor to get 3L V6 diesel for Australia, and 2.7 EcoBoost for the US.
https://youtu.be/i6_xMSUwfe8

Just on Bronco engine tag,
Did Ford just use a 2.7 EB in a long term chassis mule for Bronco?
I could understand that if the actual engine wasn't ready at the time.
It's also a good way of keeping social media fed and competitors in the dark.