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27-06-2012, 09:49 AM | #1 | ||
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interesting graph. now without spewing propaganda about holdens being advanced technically or not, to me it looks like the backyard mechanics will soon be a thing of the past, unless he holds an advanced degree in computer mechanics.
It is a publication from AAAA (Australian Automotive Aftermarket Association)
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27-06-2012, 09:55 AM | #2 | ||
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The Falcon's technical development would parallel that. Did they do an equivalent graph for the Ford?
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27-06-2012, 10:00 AM | #3 | ||
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And yet for all of that, modern cars tend to be a lot more reliable....
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27-06-2012, 10:36 AM | #4 | ||
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much the same with most newer vehicles including Ford
I used to do a lot of my own repairs but this thing scares the crap out of me and it is 7 years old
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27-06-2012, 11:00 AM | #5 | ||
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I think eventually it will be an option when buying new to purchase an OBDII Scantool with your vehicle.
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27-06-2012, 11:17 AM | #6 | ||
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Why would OEMs do that when their dealerships can charge you for a diagnosis and do the corrective work..
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27-06-2012, 11:20 AM | #7 | ||
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I don't think the VY's had an electronic throttle
actually there's a lot of fail in that picture The VN only had cruise and trip as an option The VR only had ABS/airbag/climate as an option The VT came out in 1997 and only had traction and passengers bag as an option The VY came out in 2002 and all those things were only options except for electronic throttle which didn't come in until the Horrid VZ VE was 2006 and nearly everything listed was optional
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27-06-2012, 11:27 AM | #8 | ||
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in 99/100 cases good mechanical diagnosis is still relivant
all said and done its still a 4 storke engine and all the commin things still go wrong. if your good with a mulit meter you have it pretty much licked yes cars are advancing, but these crys were being had back in the 80's & 90's
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27-06-2012, 11:29 AM | #9 | ||
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Modern cars are indeed more reliable and efficient (our G6E wipes the floor for fuel economy with our 1982 Celica 2ltr five speed), but when they go wrong, hoo boy...you'd better pray it's within the warrantee period or be prepared to get the big cheque book out...
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27-06-2012, 11:35 AM | #10 | ||
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I don't see how 2011G6E, a G6E bascially has the exact same running gear as a BA which any old cab mechanic can fix just about everything
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27-06-2012, 11:52 AM | #11 | |||
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27-06-2012, 01:02 PM | #12 | ||
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Scan tool is about $300 or maybe even less, mechanic cost is what now, $100 hr, makes the scan tool look cheap. You can test alot of the sensors with just a DMM, and the same things aply to a modern engine to an old, fuel, spark, and air.
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27-06-2012, 03:01 PM | #14 | ||
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Hmmm? pages? Thought it would fit on slate.
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27-06-2012, 03:53 PM | #15 | ||
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No different to the technological advancement of nearly every other manufacturer out there.
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VQ Statesman (ie VN Commodore) was standard IRS VP was optioned with ABS and IRS....I recently bought a 93 VP with ABS fitted yes, modern cars are becoming less back yard friendly these days...Some vehicles actually need a scan tool to make sure the steering wheel is straight after an alignment, despite the best efforts of the aligner getting it straight.
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27-06-2012, 05:38 PM | #18 | ||
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Makes you wonder how many more advanced Mercs, Audis, etc have!
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27-06-2012, 05:45 PM | #20 | ||
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It may not seem that way but the increase in fault code actually aid in diagnostics.
As the instrumentation in the code improves the system is able to tell you about more specific problems rather than generic "something is broken" messages.
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27-06-2012, 06:06 PM | #21 | |||
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We have a peugeot at work.. A message comes up about the brakes worn out, and everytime you use the brake it beeps at you. BMW's, Mercs all have fault warnings for lights (the message tells you exactly what light) and many other things. You can't put a BMW in drive, if the door is adjar, and you have no seatbelt on.
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27-06-2012, 06:46 PM | #22 | ||
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You can buy the OBD scan tool. But for example with my focus (& I guess with alot of modern cars), you have to have another computer that has to be hooked up to the car while you do a test drive after repairs that will check the systems to make sure everything has been fixed. It will then delete the error code.
If this is not done the code will come back again until it has been fixed properly & the appropriate tests have been conducted to ensure that the problem has been fixed. This sounds complicated but it also has benifits that make it a more reliable car. |
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27-06-2012, 10:31 PM | #23 | |||
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I've struck BMW's where you can't put it into drive with the door ajar, or if the car is moving, it automatically slows down and once stopped, puts itself into park (X5 or X7) but never had the problem with no seat belt on......Which model has this seat belt issue?
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correct me if i`m wrong , but did`nt some of the old beetles have warning light for low brake shoes? it seems to ring a bell.
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28-06-2012, 07:30 AM | #27 | |||
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Thats only if the door is open, if the door is open, the seatbelt must be connceted. Was on a X5.
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28-06-2012, 07:49 AM | #29 | |||
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This is supposed to be the technical feat of all passenger based cars.
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28-06-2012, 10:35 AM | #30 | ||
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pffttt!! warnings on low brake pads were on all the old holdens I had
the metal to metal squeal was very hard to confuse with any other warning device
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