Digital Licences

olfella · 21-08-2017, 03:06 PM

I see NSW is now introducing digital drivers licences and this has got me wondering about how they actually work, as I am anal about my privacy and would not like handing an unlocked smartphone over to anyone so they can check my details.
So, has anyone had any first hand experience as to how they work in real life?
Is it like a plastic licence where say a policeman takes it back to his car to check?
if the app is open, can other apps/information also be accessed?

I do not have a NSW licence other wise I would get one and find out first hand.

lra · 21-08-2017, 03:14 PM

I doubt if 'everyone' will have such a licence.
I will insist on a plastic card, simply because my smartphone is for phone calls and texts only. No apps, no wifi, no faceplant, no google, no extraneous connectivity. No need for any of that. Yep, I'm a dinosaur.

**Rallye Sport** · 21-08-2017, 05:01 PM

I don't own a smartphone so its going to have to be a plastic licence for me.

mac_man_luke · 21-08-2017, 05:07 PM

SA is close to this as well, you can actually get the app etc now but not sure its actually useful yet.

I dont mind the idea and it has lots of features that make it looks quite secure.

In the case of showing your licence it has a QR code thats unique every 30 seconds or so which can be scanned by anyone else with the app and will verify if its genuine or not.
No need to hand your phone over, just let the cop or security (eg venue access) look at it and/or scan the code.

Also has features like touch the licence and it flashes up a security watermark to prevent people trying to use screenshots etc.

Ill be glad to no longer have to carry a licence, combined with apple pay etc will soon mean no more damn wallet to carry around.

SpoolMan · 21-08-2017, 05:30 PM

This will go over so well with the senior members of our community, my dad has never had a mobile phone he still refuses to have a credit card.

olfella · 21-08-2017, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SpoolMan

This will go over so well with the senior members of our community, my dad has never had a mobile phone he still refuses to have a credit card.

Sometimes we have no choice. I used to get payed with cash - the they took away bank outlets and replaced them with ATM's and EFPOS.

There is constant change occurring all the time around us all the time and this is just anther one like rego labels.

Mr Brooksy · 21-08-2017, 09:04 PM

Don't lose your phone people... What happens if your phone gets lost or stolen, or heaven forbid it gets driven over (guilty)? You get pulled over and... Sorry officer, I don't have it on me...

xisled · 21-08-2017, 10:13 PM

This has already happened with health care and pensions cards. You can download the myGov app and link it to Centrelink and you can bring up your current card. It actually works really well, it's exactly the same as the physical card except it's online. You still get a physical copy but you also have one online.

Everything these days is being geared towards smart phones, you can make payments on your phone from your. Any account, you have access to security systems, bank accounts etc, so it's only logical it's all going the same way.

prydey · 21-08-2017, 10:51 PM

if you own a smart phone, its a bit late to be worrying about your privacy...

IanC · 21-08-2017, 10:54 PM

You need to have a physical licence for photo ID for many things as well as driving. You have to show photo ID to pick up a parcel from the post office. I suppose we will have to start carrying our passports instead.

vztrt · 21-08-2017, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

if you own a smart phone, its a bit late to be worrying about your privacy...

If you use the internet it's a bit late.

olfella · 22-08-2017, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by prydey

if you own a smart phone, its a bit late to be worrying about your privacy...

No different to losing your wallet or getting your mail pinched. But I believe if you are careful like where you get your apps from and what sites you visit and dont jailbreak then you can prevent most attempts at intrusions.
Even starting this thread I have found I do not have to hand an unlocked phone over to anyone.

Junkyard-Dog · 22-08-2017, 08:28 AM

It's nice that they're giving people the option to have both an online licence and a physical licence. I think I'll stick with the physical one though. I don't have much interest in smart phones.

mac_man_luke · 22-08-2017, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by IanC

You need to have a physical licence for photo ID for many things as well as driving. You have to show photo ID to pick up a parcel from the post office. I suppose we will have to start carrying our passports instead.

you will eventually be able to use the digital licence and it will be more secure being they can actually verify its genuine.

Stefan · 22-08-2017, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by lra

I doubt if 'everyone' will have such a licence.
I will insist on a plastic card, simply because my smartphone is for phone calls and texts only. No apps, no wifi, no faceplant, no google, no extraneous connectivity. No need for any of that. Yep, I'm a dinosaur.

Good luck on insisting, unless it is optional....my guess is you will have to take what the give you. They set the rules you do as you are told.

Not like you can have a paper licence when they changed to a card with a picture.

prydey · 22-08-2017, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

Good luck on insisting, unless it is optional....

i'm not saying they won't, but it would be absolute madness to make digital the only option.

My guess is the standard will remain a card in your wallet, and the 'option' will be to choose digital.

lra · 22-08-2017, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

Good luck on insisting, unless it is optional....my guess is you will have to take what the give you. They set the rules you do as you are told. Not like you can have a paper licence when they changed to a card with a picture.

Yeah, I know that whatever the gubbermint says, you have to comply with when it comes to sheepifying the majority. Maybe, I should become one of the very vocal minority .......... like Land Rights for Gay Whales or the Australian Equality Pedestrian Council, or whatever.
The switch from paper to card meant that you could still put it in your wallet, or purse. I can't think of any rules, at the moment, which states that you must have a fully operational smart phone on your person at all times.
All very theoretical at the present, though.

SpoolMan · 22-08-2017, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by olfella

Sometimes we have no choice. I used to get payed with cash - the they took away bank outlets and replaced them with ATM's and EFPOS.

There is constant change occurring all the time around us all the time and this is just anther one like rego labels.

Agree on the change, my dad digs in and that's it.
No computer no internet he refuses to get an Etag for the Tullamarine Freeway because it was an already an established road and he believes it should have remand free and once you start to pay it just keeps going up.
He has a arrangement with the local post office he writes a cheque to pay all his bills.

olfella · 22-08-2017, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by lra

The switch from paper to card meant that you could still put it in your wallet, or purse. I can't think of any rules, at the moment, which states that you must have a fully operational smart phone on your person at all times.
All very theoretical at the present, though.

Reading the SA site it says IF you opt for the digital version then your phone has to be charged at all times. Same as keeping your card on you at all times.

I guess it all comes down to being responsible with the particular method you choose.

Whitey-AMG · 22-08-2017, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by olfella

No different to losing your wallet or getting your mail pinched.

Yep... exactly
Some people on here have obviously never lost a wallet full of their credit cards and licenses and cash......

At least with a digital system you have back ups and the ability to erase immediately if something went wrong or went missing.

Bring it on.... the less cr@p I have to carry around and misplace the better.

Olbucko · 22-08-2017, 12:56 PM

A lot quicker to flash your card than have to frig round with your phone, and the card doesn't break if you drop it!

Itsme · 22-08-2017, 01:34 PM

I don't think digital licence will replace the current one we use but will be an addition for those who use smart phones for payments, passes etc which we all know the younger generation is keenly endorsing with the new digital age we live in, personally I don't see any issues since it is an option to use.

For those who complaining of privacy laws well all I got to say Govco & large Corporate business know more about you than what you know about yourself.

Cheers

blackf6 · 22-08-2017, 02:35 PM

Nth Qld. Cyclone. No power for days. No licence. Cool.

Yellow_Festiva · 22-08-2017, 06:15 PM

Is this BS even necessary?? Why do we even NEED to carry a licence?

Cop pulls you over, you ID yourself and they look at the picture of you they have on file.

I don't see the point when everything is computerised and so much instant data is now accessible to the people who need it.

**Jastel** · 22-08-2017, 06:50 PM

I have been pulled over a couple of times with no license on me.
But I quote my license number and the cop looks it up...
After explaining how I memorised the number...no problems.
I have it memorised as it is used in the Taxi login system.

snap0964 · 22-08-2017, 11:56 PM

If the changes mean money is saved in paper/personnel, etc to administer it, you can pretty much guess which way it will go.
Technology and change is good, but the money factor always comes in the top spot as the main consideration, so I'm not telling everyone anything they don't know already.

Stefan · 23-08-2017, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by prydey

i'm not saying they won't, but it would be absolute madness to make digital the only option.

My guess is the standard will remain a card in your wallet, and the 'option' will be to choose digital.

Its just a matter of time, no smart phone needed, it is all linked to the microchip, embedded under your skin..Licence, credit card, ID, Tax file number, Citizenship detail.

Imagine telling someone 50 years ago that money is just a number on your screen, no cash..

lra · 23-08-2017, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Jastel

I have been pulled over a couple of times with no license on me. But I quote my license number and the cop looks it up...
After explaining how I memorised the number...no problems.
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Lucky you. About 10 years ago, I washed my car and took it for a short drive to dry it off, didn't take my wallet as I was only going to be a few minutes. Got pulled up by NSW RBT, no problems with that, asked for licence, and was able to quote the number, told the cop to check my details, showed him rego papers for the car, etc, I'll be back in less than 5 minutes with licence.
No way. Copped fine for failing to carry/produce license. Can't remember the $$$, but I now remember to carry my wallet.

prydey · 23-08-2017, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

Imagine telling someone 50 years ago that money is just a number on your screen, no cash..

Yes, but you can still use cash though. That is my point. Previous systems won't become redundant.

Yellow_Festiva · 23-08-2017, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by snap0964

If the changes mean money is saved in paper/personnel, etc to administer it, you can pretty much guess which way it will go.
Technology and change is good, but the money factor always comes in the top spot as the main consideration, so I'm not telling everyone anything they don't know already.

I helped a friend get their licence and when they asked me when they will get the card I told them around 20 minutes after they take a picture.

Well, that what I thought...

From what I understand, No RMS can provide a licence on the plastic card any more. It's all done from the 1 machine and they send it out in the post.

Think of the money that's saved. While you are waiting they give you a slip of paper stating your licence number and the fact you are awaiting the card.

I guess it makes sense, but The only discount I have seen with this money saver is the 'good behaviour' 50% discount you get upon renewal (in NSW).