Hydrogen EA

[XT UTE 68]

Anyone see the story on Today Tonight channel 7 about the guy running a EA with a Hydrogen unit that reduces his fuel use.

looks interesting!

[EA Bogan]

cool..can i get a link to that? i happen to own an EA and wouldnt mind improving its fuel consumption

[TadKa]

Yeah you can buy (or probably source for free) e-books on how to make them. I'm rather skeptical or big increases. i understand how the technology works. And it is quite simple. But when it comes down to it, there is no such thing as free energy. This system would increase the workload and friction on the alternator. I'm certainly no auto electrician though. I had to laugh when they filled back up the cars. one was 7 bucks the other was like 38. That is total bs. As if you could get that much of an increase.

p.s. I won't tell anyone we watch today/tonight if you don't.

[TadKa]

www.Water-Fuel-Review.com
www.WaterFuelSecretGuides.com This one discusses scams. like the magnetic bs that aligns fuel molecules
Water-Fuel-Car-Exposed.Com/Hydrogen
www.water4gas.com/

[ILLaViTaR]

Does anyone have a link to the today tonight video?

Thanks.

[chevypower]

hydrogen is supposed to offer a catalytic-like effect on petrol and diesel, and cause the fuel to burn much slower, while outputting the same power. It's not magic, it's just science, though I haven't tried it myself.

[XT UTE 68]

Here is the link to the video, look for the "Aussie brothers run car on water"


http://au.todaytonight.yahoo.com/latest

[fantasyxr6turbo]

Just over 5 litres per hundred sounds do-able but the interesting thing was his mate in the white xr6 returned over 20 litres per hundred???? Not really a true comparison is it?:

[Allen]

By far it was an unfair comparison. The EB1 fairmont would more than likely have the 3.08:1 diff, against the ED XR6's 3.45:1 diff.

The XR would have been sitting at a higher RPM the whole trip.

Still impressive to see 5ish L/100k.

[whales]

It sounds good, but personally I wouldn't trust anything from Today Tonight

[blueoval]

I saw this last night also.

I was thinking, are these blokes members of the forums?

But if I had a falcon as old as that, I would be giving it a try.

I was also skeptical on the petrol cost differences too between the cars.

[Nikked]

Go the EA!

[ebxr8240]

Hmmm too many variables ?? XR6's are not known for extreme good fuel consumption.. Now lets compare with water injection ??

[plext]

Well now, let's see......

Picking one of the places shilling this stuff, we find that a 27Amp draw apparently makes roughly 55 litres of Hydrogen an hour.

P = IV gives 12 x 27 = 324W = 0.324 kW power consumption from alternator.

Hydrogen is .0000899 g/cm^3

55 x 1000 x 0.0000899 = 4.95 g of Hydrogen per hour.

Hydrogen is 150 Kj/g.

150 x 4.95 = 742 Kj per hour.

Watt = Joule per second.

(742 x 1000) /3600 = 206.11 Watts

Determination: you put .324kW of load on your alternator and thus your engine, to gain .206kW of Hydrogen.

This all assumes a mythical 100% efficiency.


There are no free rides.

[ILLaViTaR]

Does it work with LPG also?

Shows him mixing hydrogen gas with unleaded in the video.

Wouldn't be much cheaper than LPG.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by plext

Well now, let's see......

Picking one of the places shilling this stuff, we find that a 27Amp draw apparently makes roughly 55 litres of Hydrogen an hour.

P = IV gives 12 x 27 = 324W = 0.324 kW power consumption from alternator.

Hydrogen is .0000899 gm/cm^3

55 x 1000 x 0.0000899 = 4.95 g of Hydrogen per hour.

Hydrogen is 150 Kj/g.

150 x 4.95 = 742 Kj per hour.

Watt = Joule per second.

(742 x 1000) /3600 = 206.11 Watts

Determination: you put .324kW of load on your alternator and thus your engine, to gain .206kW of Hydrogen.

This all assumes a mythical 100% efficiency.


There are no free rides.

Sense, logic and maths and physics have no place in this forum.

Ban yourself immediately........

[mcflux]

Determination: you put .324kW of load on your alternator and thus your engine, to gain .206kW of Hydrogen

Without putting much thought into this, what does that 55L/4.95g of hydrogen do to the combustion process though?

Assuming petrol is simple octane (C8H18), the hydrogen is H2, and the air is O2... What would the stoich ratio be?

It's 8.30am and I CBF converting litres to moles, etc... Anyone here a fan of chemistry?

[A * C8H18] + [B * H2] + [C * O2] = [x * CO2] + [y * H2o]

I know that formula is waaay too simple (and "wrong", but I haven't done chemistry since early uni) but it could be worth checking out. The excess H could mean less fuel is needed in the process? I'm not saying it's "free energy" but it may mean an adjustment to plext's energy from alternater vs energy from hydrogen finding

[Bud Bud]

If plext if correct, and I think that he may not be too far off the mark, then with this set up it may show that there are too many inefficiencies for any real net gain, atm.

The problem is that we are still not looking out side of the square yet.

What if we had a small geared wind powered generator (similar to the pump deployed by airliners to restore some hydraulics in an emergency) hidden in the duct of the front spoiler of your car to generate or supplement the necessary electricity to produce the hydrogen. This could be very economical especially at highway speeds. It could also lighten the load of the existing alternator as well.

What if we had a solar panelled bonnet/roof/boot lid to supplement electricity even when the car is stationary.

There could be a dedicated battery/batteries to store power only for this purpose that are not linked to the vehicles electrical system, even making hydrogen during the day while you at work ready for your trip home.

People can be very creative once they backs are against the wall.

[TadKa]

or we could just burn fossil fuels. Solar Technology is too expensive. Hybrids over the manufacture. life span and disposal are worse for the environment than most cars thanks mostly to the nasty chemicals in the batteries that last for 4-8 years. and as for a little whirly whirly prop on the front of the car. it would probably cause more air resistance than gain power.

I'm not far of patenting my perpetual energy machine though. that will solve all the earths energy problems.

Did anyone see the thing in FHM about mining on the moon for a certain stuff (*technical term) They reckon there is something there that has ten times the energy as the earths coal. 1 space shuttle would fuel the usa for a year.

Would anyone miss the moon? really??

[plext]

Originally Posted by TadKa

Would anyone miss the moon? really??

You would, believe me.

Gravity is a funny thing and not to be fidgeted with.

[ILLaViTaR]

Originally Posted by TadKa

or we could just burn fossil fuels. Solar Technology is too expensive. Hybrids over the manufacture. life span and disposal are worse for the environment than most cars thanks mostly to the nasty chemicals in the batteries that last for 4-8 years. and as for a little whirly whirly prop on the front of the car. it would probably cause more air resistance than gain power.

I'm not far of patenting my perpetual energy machine though. that will solve all the earths energy problems.

Did anyone see the thing in FHM about mining on the moon for a certain stuff (*technical term) They reckon there is something there that has ten times the energy as the earths coal. 1 space shuttle would fuel the usa for a year.

Would anyone miss the moon? really??

\

I'm a fisho and the moon apparently controls the tides.
So it's a keeper for me.

[Sourbastard]

And what If I had a team of dwarves, linked into reigns, that pulled my fairlane along the highway, with propellers on their hats to draw wind power, solar panels on their backs, and a hydro electric dam built into their custom made aero dynamic carbon fibre underwear? These are far better than coal powered dwarves.

Originally Posted by Bud Bud

If plext if correct, and I think that he may not be too far off the mark, then with this set up it may show that there are too many inefficiencies for any real net gain, atm.

The problem is that we are still not looking out side of the square yet.

What if we had a small geared wind powered generator (similar to the pump deployed by airliners to restore some hydraulics in an emergency) hidden in the duct of the front spoiler of your car to generate or supplement the necessary electricity to produce the hydrogen. This could be very economical especially at highway speeds. It could also lighten the load of the existing alternator as well.

What if we had a solar panelled bonnet/roof/boot lid to supplement electricity even when the car is stationary.

There could be a dedicated battery/batteries to store power only for this purpose that are not linked to the vehicles electrical system, even making hydrogen during the day while you at work ready for your trip home.

People can be very creative once they backs are against the wall.

[Darkr]

They did it on mythbusters, it's a load of crap.

[BADEF-6]

Originally Posted by Bud Bud

If plext if correct, and I think that he may not be too far off the mark, then with this set up it may show that there are too many inefficiencies for any real net gain, atm.

The problem is that we are still not looking out side of the square yet.

What if we had a small geared wind powered generator (similar to the pump deployed by airliners to restore some hydraulics in an emergency) hidden in the duct of the front spoiler of your car to generate or supplement the necessary electricity to produce the hydrogen. This could be very economical especially at highway speeds. It could also lighten the load of the existing alternator as well.

What if we had a solar panelled bonnet/roof/boot lid to supplement electricity even when the car is stationary.

There could be a dedicated battery/batteries to store power only for this purpose that are not linked to the vehicles electrical system, even making hydrogen during the day while you at work ready for your trip home.

People can be very creative once they backs are against the wall.

the only issue you have there is that you are adding more kg's to the car so you will loose out to a point with that also

[BADEF-6]

Originally Posted by Darkr

They did it on mythbusters, it's a load of crap.

There was a few things that they may have not done first tho, you need time for it to start generating the vapor for the car to run.
They way it was inducted into the top of the carby was not all that crash hot.

BUT they did have a car running on a bottle of Hydrogen dont forget!

[ebxr8240]

Mice on roids and wheel ???

[Chilla]

Originally Posted by TadKa

www.Water-Fuel-Review.com
www.WaterFuelSecretGuides.com This one discusses scams. like the magnetic bs that aligns fuel molecules
Water-Fuel-Car-Exposed.Com/Hydrogen
www.water4gas.com/

Ever thought the Oil Companies could be spreading mis-information? The genie is out of the bag on hydrogen hybrid fuel systems and information is right across the net. Mis-information is thier only chance to try and squash it. It is not like only one person or company is involved and they can just BUY thier silence. Maybe, just maybe the little guys might have a win for a change. After all the technology is nothing new. Personally I hope someone gets it right and the oil giants fall on thier collective *****.
Chilla

[easydoesit]

Maybe one bloke drove ultra economically and took a short cut or two, while the other fanged it and/or had a badly running car.


Perhaps a more realistic but still difficult option is, in australia we can already access 100% renewable energy in our homes by going 100% greenpower. If we could access/build a home hydrogen making kit, and a car that can run on it, we would have a 100% renewable system with zero pollution. The technology to do this already exists.

[NZEA]

I know someone who's trying it on his EA, will post again as soon as I've got any info