East Coast floods

[blueoval]

Apologies if this has been covered somewhere else. But these floods remind me of the 2011 Brisbane floods but worse. Lismore is taking a hammering.

I know many here have family and friends in and around the stricken areas, but I didnt think I would see it happen so quickly and worse in my lifetime.

I recall a thread here in 2011 regarding the mud army helping out once the water subsided and the efforts to clean up each street affected. I really hope we will see this happen again.

How have you been affected?

[FTE217]

Shocking stuff since yesterday up north.
Terrible to say if it rains ot pours, meaning b loody covid etcetc and now this the worst flooding ever.
Lismore OMG and surroundings.
Looking like its not gonna let up yet.
So sorry to see - hope any members involved are ok and families.

[DJM83]

I remember the 2011 floods vividly while i living in BNE. I wasnt 'directly' affected by them but i was indirectly.
I went out with the group from here to Grantham IIRC and surrounds helping where we could, cooked up BBQ's, handed out water.
It was terrible to see what people were going through.
In the current one i have a mate thats had his workshop pretty much destroyed.
Anyone in the areas flooded please stay safe and adhere to the emergency services also.

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by DJM83

I remember the 2011 floods vividly while i was in BNE. I wasnt 'directly' affected by them but i was indirectly.
I went out with the group from here to Grantham IIRC and surrounds helping where we could, cooked up BBQ's, handed out water.
It was terrible to see what people were going through.
In the current one i have a mate thats had his workshop pretty much destroyed.
Anyone in the areas flooded please stay safe and adhere to the emergency services also.

I remember you being involved mate. You and the crew you were with did a great job in helping out. Glad to say I was pretty proud of you guys stepping up there to lend a hand be it small or large.

[FTE217]

yes alot of hands on help needed again.
Wish we could but too far away.
Unreal some of this
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-...outh/100869912

Obviously we in Sydney are not going to suffer as much as our northern friends BUT we've endured some heavy falls the last week or so AND that front is heading south, we're expecting up to 200mm's of rain hitting from tonight.
We're located in a gully with creek and some big motha gums all around our small pocket.
Each time another one of 2 fall due to the moisture build up and winds.
Touch wood the coming days.

[LG17]

I'm west of the range in SE Qld just near the source of the Brisbane River.
I have never seen the amount of water we got here. It's no wonder downstream is flooded badly. We only got about 400mm over the 4 days but that is close to what we got for the whole year each year in 2016 to 2020 so it's a bloody lot. It's mostly farm land that's destroyed around here with crops and animals. The roads are absolutely shot!

[blueoval]

Just found out my cousins are flood locked in in the Beenleigh area. Saw some photos and I have never seen it this bad before. Im assuming all of Slacks creek is under too.

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by blueoval

I remember you being involved mate. You and the crew you were with did a great job in helping out. Glad to say I was pretty proud of you guys stepping up there to lend a hand be it small or large.

Yeah mate, we did what we could. There was a thread somewhere about it i think.
Was very overwhelming what we seen, let alone what folks were dealing with on the ground, utterly heart breaking.

[buggerlugs]

Pomona just inland from Noosa got 1300mm in 6 days.........

[Captain Stubing]

We went down the back of our property on Saturday morning, and it was flowing really well. The front boundary of property is on top of a slope, with the back fence being level with an unnamed creek in the property behind. We didn’t get affected like the people living along the Brisbane River and other areas. So this is video I took from an area not really affected by the floods.

https://youtu.be/reeiNOAnbkk

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by Captain Stubing

We went down the back of our property on Saturday morning, and it was flowing really well. The front boundary of property is on top of a slope, with the back fence being level with an unnamed creek in the property behind. We didn’t get affected like the people living along the Brisbane River and other areas. So this is video I took from an area not really affected by the floods.

https://youtu.be/reeiNOAnbkk

nice video.

Its got me wondering, once the flooding subsides, how is everyone going to cope with the mosquitos?

[Captain Stubing]

Originally Posted by blueoval

nice video.

Its got me wondering, once the flooding subsides, how is everyone going to cope with the mosquitos?

In our case the water won’t stand around long enough for the breeding cycle (except for the dam and ponds), so it depends how long the flood water stands there for, or the small pockets left behind.

[PhilT2]

A bit more water than expected here; the neighbours shed went under yesterday and the vehicles in it are still fully submerged. There's a ride on mower, a small tractor, two cars and a couple of trailers. It's all old gear not worth a lot but we might try and save some of it. Anyone had any experience with flooded vehicles? Is there any alternative to a total engine teardown?

[Citroënbender]

You’ve got to be quick, corrosion starts in hours.

[buggerlugs]

From Energex in Gympie

[arm79]

Came across these pictures in the Courier Mail this morning. Thought they were reasonably poignant given the site we are on.

Somewhere in Gympie. An electric quad bike looking for a charge I'm to understand.



Although I hope its not some dodgy photoshop tricking everyone given there is a water fountain with some rocks at its base still in place. Would have thought they'd be washed away.

Somewhere along the Logan river apparently. Very definition of desperation and sheer luck I think.



Here in Hervey Bay we've been very lucky. The worst thing to happen to us is the rain has made the grass grow and now I'll have to mow it again. That and the dam is 2/3 full which the dog loves swimming in. She smells like a turd on 4 legs that loves nothing more than bringing her soaked self and smell into the house.

We've just played host to an old friend and Brisbane refugee. He was working in Maryborough last week and couldn't get home. Didn't know until much later but he'd spent 2 days trying to get home before giving up and calling us for a bed. He flew home yesterday afternoon leaving his car and stuff here till next week.

I hear from locals the portable levee system that is setup in Maryborough for these occasions did work 100% this time round, so the town was largely saved from flooding like it did a few weeks ago.





Although I know the local insurance fraud team would be rubbing their hands together and clapping with glee. Once waters recede there will probably be a dozen cars found under that Woolies that were dumped there when they heard waters were rising.

Next things for towns in the area will be getting a resupply of food and water. Went shopping yesterday (or tried to) and remember thinking it was eerie with shortages during covid and earlier this year, this time round I wondered why they bothered opening at all. Shelves have been picked clean of anything resembling food with nothing expected for a couple of days yet.

Trivial matters in comparison to alot of people south of us though.

For those people impacted, I wish you all the best and hope you made it thorough as unscathed as possible and that you and your families and friends are safe.

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by PhilT2

Anyone had any experience with flooded vehicles??

Drain the Sump, Then Fill It to the BRIM (Top of the Rocker cover) with Diesel. Remove plugs/Injectors & also fill Cylinders with Diesel..

I've seen It done a couple of Times, & they ran for several years after..

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by arm79

Although I know the local insurance fraud team would be rubbing their hands together and clapping with glee. Once waters recede there will probably be a dozen cars found under that Woolies that were dumped there when they heard waters were rising.

LOL..

https://www.betootaadvocate.com/advo...s-of-brisbane/

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by arm79

Although I know the local insurance fraud team would be rubbing their hands together and clapping with glee. Once waters recede there will probably be a dozen cars found under that Woolies that were dumped there when they heard waters were rising.

I didn't think insurance covered force majeure, unless you had a special policy taken out.

Mate from Brissy said people tried this in 2011. People deliberately left their lemons in the basement. Those that took it to court, lost, reason is that because they were given plenty of notice (2 weeks?) and did nothing.

This one seemed more sudden? Although mate said Gov stuffed up and didn't give warning when they should have. Apparently the night before the flood, Ana said it was safe to go out....or something like that.

[arm79]

Originally Posted by hayseed

LOL..

https://www.betootaadvocate.com/advo...s-of-brisbane/

That Woolies is a mecca for flood insurance claims the region wide.

I can see the conversation now... Weatherman says "lots of rain tomorrow, Mary river might flood". Person picks up keys, partner says "where you going?" "Just off to Woolies, back soon".

I think it was 6 or 8 cars found under the building the flood a few weeks back. That one happened quickly and caught people unaware. Cops are onto it quickly too, blocking off the area and preventing this.

But normally they'd find 10 to 20 vehicles left under there. Have to wait and see this time.

God bless the Betoota though. I haven't read it in a couple of days, but that is a ripper article. It's gems like this that brings a smile to your face and gives them a special place in your heart.

This time in Brisbane, many of the vehicles are Series 1 VE Commodores, famous for having the factory option of a stretchy timing chain added as standard.

Nearly every V6 VE Commodore in the country has the engine light on and its constant warning bongs greet the owner as they start the ****ing dog of a thing up each morning.

[arm79]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

I didn't think insurance covered force majeure, unless you had a special policy taken out.

I think alot of it comes down state by state policies for various insurers.

I know from experience all home, contents and vehicles policies here come with flood cover by default. Our vehicle policies with Allianz definitely do, as with AAMI before it.

But you can remove flood cover from home and contents if you want to lower the premium. We don't have flood cover, nor is it even offered, because its unnecessary being 42m above sea level.

That said some insurance companies may refuse to offer someone flood cover for home and contents because of risk. And I know people who have car policies where flood cover is excluded for particular addresses, like their home address.

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Mate from Brissy said people tried this in 2011. People deliberately left their lemons in the basement. Those that took it to court, lost, reason is that because they were given plenty of notice (2 weeks?) and did nothing.

Yeah... That was the definition of stupid.

In every car policy you will find words to the effect of "it is the insureds responsibility to do everything in their power to mitigate loss or damage to the vehicle".

So don't leave doors unlocked, keys in easy access, keep it in good condition, don't let known morons drive it, etc, etc.

My policy specifically says:

moving your vehicle from rising flood waters if it safe to do so;

So yeah, I'd expect that if they were given ample warning, had the ability to move the car and didn't their claim would have been denied.

It's the same clause that allows the insurer to deny the claim if you leave you car warming up in the driveway and someone jumps in and drives off.

But ultimately, I know people do it, but whether their claim is successful is another thing.

And that is all beside the usually 2 or 3 day waiting period before cover kicks in on new policies, for those who try game the system.

Originally Posted by T3rminator

This one seemed more sudden? Although mate said Gov stuffed up and didn't give warning when they should have. Apparently the night before the flood, Ana said it was safe to go out....or something like that.

In all honesty, and I dont mean to offend even though I know I will, people like your mate sh*t me talking like that. I don't know if they are intentionally being slow or just stupid.

We had friends and family from Victoria calling since Monday last week because they were seeing reports of the next apocalypse. They thought Water World was becoming true and Kevin Costner was going to start filming a sequel here. It wasn't reported like that here then, but it did grow in strength and quantity from mid week. So it wasn't unknown.

If the BOM predict a monsoon and it doesn't happen, the first thing people say is "useless pr*cks couldn't organise a root in a brothel". If something appears out of nowhere that wasn't predicted, these same people say "useless pr*icks could have warned us". Damned if they do, damned if they dont.

But this is Queensland. It's late summer. If it isn't a cyclone, its the effects or after effects of an off shore or ex cyclone or its some monsoonal rain somewhere. People should be prepared, ready and read what's happening do decide for themselves. Shouldn't have to wait for a government warning. It's not exactly unprecedented.

The one a few weeks ago was sudden. This one I think had reasonable warning and people roughly knew what was going to happen.

But that is just one idiots opinion...

Our refugee friend saw what was happening and knew he should have left Thursday, but he had commitments to work and by Friday afternoon it was impassable.

Haven't heard much from Chicken lady at all during this, not that I've gone looking. Only thing I remember hearing was something about Wivenhoe Dam being at 184% capacity and they/she saying they weren't going dump any water and it was fine. I remember Bligh saying something similar in 2011.

Also spare a thought for what happens to the victims when everything is cleaned up and gone back to "normal" for them.

I know insurance premiums will rise for all of Queensland. I'm expecting a $500 to $600 rise on the next bill now. It will be argued down and absorbable for us, but there are plenty doing it hard who won't be able to.

For the direct victims their insurance will likely triple or even more. I remember after one Maryborough flood people saying their new premium was $5k for the house and $6k for $50k contents. Prices them out of the market so they become uninsured.

Plus you'll find alot of these victims will now be refused insurance because of risk, so they have to go it alone.

Alot of properties in Maryborough by the river have been uninsurable for years. Companies wont take the risk. So they have gone it alone for years, and been done twice within weeks, and will continue to go it alone for years to come.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by arm79

In all honesty, and I dont mean to offend even though I know I will, people like your mate sh*t me talking like that. I don't know if they are intentionally being slow or just stupid.

We had friends and family from Victoria calling since Monday last week because they were seeing reports of the next apocalypse. They thought Water World was becoming true and Kevin Costner was going to start filming a sequel here. It wasn't reported like that here then, but it did grow in strength and quantity from mid week. So it wasn't unknown.

If the BOM predict a monsoon and it doesn't happen, the first thing people say is "useless pr*cks couldn't organise a root in a brothel". If something appears out of nowhere that wasn't predicted, these same people say "useless pr*icks could have warned us". Damned if they do, damned if they dont.

haha no offence taken.....you know why?....cos that's exactly what I said to him. We were getting news here that something big was about to hit QLD and NSW a few days before it happened. But he said Palachook apparently came out the night before and reassured everyone it was all ok....then BAM. He said the previous lady in 2011 (I can't remember her name) gave 2 weeks notice and constantly reminded everyone to prepare for evacuation.

And now, I'm seeing pictures of cars, and a horse?!?, in NSW stuck on a bridge with both ends flooded. How could that happen? Did the water rise in seconds or did people keep driving even though they were warned about the weather?

[Citroënbender]

Sydney’s beginning to get quite damp. I was on the Northern Rd this afternoon, northbound - diverted by Police near Llandilo (Ninth Ave) and then chopped across country back towards Richmond Rd. Some reasonably deep water over the roads, the Territory did a sterling job but a few smaller sedans didn’t make it. I regretted not having a snatch in the car.

Credit to the locals I saw working to free up roadside drainage and most motorists - courtesy was near 100%.

[LG17]

Originally Posted by arm79

I think alot of it comes down state by state policies for various insurers.

I know from experience all home, contents and vehicles policies here come with flood cover by default. Our vehicle policies with Allianz definitely do, as with AAMI before it.

But you can remove flood cover from home and contents if you want to lower the premium. We don't have flood cover, nor is it even offered, because its unnecessary being 42m above sea level.

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Being 42m above sea level does not stop you from being flooded. That is a total fallacy. Gympie is 73m above sea level. Look at Toowoomba, it's about 450m above sea level. It flooded. Where I live is between 400 - 500m above sea level and plenty of places flooded around here. It all depends on the terrain, the creeks and rivers and the ability of water to disperse.

[arm79]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

haha no offence taken.....you know why?....cos that's exactly what I said to him.

Sounds like its one of those great minds thinks alike moments then.

Originally Posted by T3rminator

We were getting news here that something big was about to hit QLD and NSW a few days before it happened. But he said Palachook apparently came out the night before and reassured everyone it was all ok....then BAM. He said the previous lady in 2011 (I can't remember her name) gave 2 weeks notice and constantly reminded everyone to prepare for evacuation.

I think I know what he's talking about and in fairness to chook chook, something I'd never thought I'd say, I think she was referring to how the flood occurred and the outcomes.

The 2011 flood formed differently and there was mismanagement regarding the releasing of water from the dam, both of these conspired to make that flood worse than this one. She was saying this time round these factors were different, management of the water levels in the dam is handled differently so things would be different and it would be OK in comparison.

But it still didn't excuse people from not paying attention to seeing there was a ton of water falling and areas would still be flooded.

Originally Posted by T3rminator

And now, I'm seeing pictures of cars, and a horse?!?, in NSW stuck on a bridge with both ends flooded. How could that happen? Did the water rise in seconds or did people keep driving even though they were warned about the weather?

I'm guessing that is the Woodburn Bridge somewhere near Lismore.

I kind of understand the people that were on the bridge was because they left too late and that was just the highest point they could find.

If you listen to the twit in this interview she says they got an alert to leave but stayed for nearly another 3 hours until water was coming through the floorboards and they had to jump in a tinny to get to the bridge.

https://www.2gb.com/cars-and-horses-...-northern-nsw/

[arm79]

Originally Posted by LG17

Being 42m above sea level does not stop you from being flooded. That is a total fallacy. Gympie is 73m above sea level. Look at Toowoomba, it's about 450m above sea level. It flooded. Where I live is between 400 - 500m above sea level and plenty of places flooded around here. It all depends on the terrain, the creeks and rivers and the ability of water to disperse.

Point taken, next time I will be more specific.

In every place you've mentioned the body of water and area's that cause the flooding are at the same level or slightly below the area that has flooded. Like the Mary River in Gympie and surrounding catchment is 5 to 10 m below the properties it flooded and cut off. Geography and terrain and all that. Fair enough.

In my case I live on a hill 42m up. The peak is about 600m x 300m. One side it's straight down to the ocean 1300m away. The other straight down the hill to the main road which is 8m up. To get to me you exit the 8m above road and drive the up the hill another 34m. The next closest body of water is the Mary river, about 2m above sea level 21km away.

The only thing we'd ever have to worry about is a tsunami.

[Citroënbender]

After a day off, the rain is falling steadily again in Sydney. Damp has made such ingress that light mould grows overnight on many surfaces. Many lawns, once well-kept, are now knee high.

The BOM are courageously suggesting (in respect of the reality that governments now embrace shooting the messenger) this weather could continue into August. When it does abate, I think every wall will need washing and every ceiling need cleaning with a peroxide solution.

[BAWITHLOT]

We use a Vinegar Solution that works well!

[blueoval]

Been hearing a lot of the flood affected people are not happy being turned away from helping others clean up their homes. They are still waiting on ADF and SES personnel to assist. Lots are spending what money they have on bare necessities to help strangers with nothing.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

After a day off, the rain is falling steadily again in Sydney. Damp has made such ingress that light mould grows overnight on many surfaces. Many lawns, once well-kept, are now knee high.

The BOM are courageously suggesting (in respect of the reality that governments now embrace shooting the messenger) this weather could continue into August. When it does abate, I think every wall will need washing and every ceiling need cleaning with a peroxide solution.

Well we can't complain compared to the many suffering eh....so sorry for them.
Can't imagine what it would be like having your home under water etc....
I ran the gaunlet Saturday being we had most of the day not raining (rare) - I went F it I'm cutting the lawn.
Adjusted mower higher a couple of clicks off I went.
Some sections I just couldn't due to being a pool.
Left some nice mud lines but expected.

I'm in a gully one house away from our creek therefore its always damp as it is.
Obviously were soaked through under ground, leechs getting about the dirty raskels.
Woke up one time with one sucking away on my shoulder, the other weekend whilst sitting outside with friends, I felt something between my toes, one starting to feed on my blood that filled with alcohol, hope he hated it !

We have rising damp - wife was washing down windows/walls.
D ick previous owner did renos, didn't put down ag lines or decent water proofing. (got a big reno to repair all this)
Gonna be ages till we dry out.
Got concerns of the many huge gums around us.
Each storm and high winds 1 or 2 come down near the creek.
Waiting on a lopper to come quote for a huge one near the home. (will be crane job thats how big)
Trouble is everyone been flat out since lockdowns done etc, rain delays etcetc.....