First Holden Captiva review

[blackahcdx]

Was browing www.goauto.com.au and having a read of their first review of the new Captiva.

They seemed to like it.

Here is a snippet of what they said

Given our previous experience with some of Holden’s Korean-sourced product – Barina and Viva come to mind – the Captiva is a breath of fresh air.

If the initial drive is any indication, this is the first Korean-built Holden that will help bury the "Korean" tag for once and all.



Read full review here
http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...A?OpenDocument

Will be interesting to see a test against Territory(I know its bigger but Holden says its a competitor, so lets see what its got), Kluger and Santa Fe

[AWD Chaser]

Then there is the issue of engines. Many of its rivals offer high-end four-cylinders while Mazda, Kia and Hyundai are the only ones with V6 variants.

No mention that the Ford Territory offers an I6, which has a more powerful engine

Captiva = 169kw
Territory = 190kw
Territory Turbo = 245kw

Seems like this is an Astra SUV model. I expected a Commodore style SUV...

Anyway.. the Captiva is just a rebadge - Chevrolet Captiva, Daewoo Winstorm and Opel Antara. (link to wiki article)

[Rob]

I saw one on the Princes Fwy not long ago, didnt really tickle my fancy, I dont like softroaders in any case, and the captiva did nothing to change my mind.

[blackahcdx]

Originally Posted by au3 chaser

No mention that the Ford Territory offers an I6, which has a more powerful engine

Captiva = 169kw
Territory = 190kw
Territory Turbo = 245kw

Seems like this is an Astra SUV model. I expected a Commodore style SUV...

Anyway.. the Captiva is just a rebadge - Chevrolet Captiva, Daewoo Winstorm and Opel Antara. (link to wiki article)

Yeah but its a bit more than a re-badge since the styling was done by Holden (Mike Simcoe), suspension design was done by Holden and the Engine is Holden. Transmission is the same as the Vectra (opel).

At least this is showing that the new GMDAT products are good

[AWD Chaser]

Have a look at the following comparison of the Captiva to the Territory

[bathurst77]

Perhaps its more a competitor to the Ford Escape?

[blackahcdx]

I agree that they aren't direct competitors, i'm not disputing that, but it would be interesting to see a few comarisons between them.

Also Captiva has Active Rollover Protection (ARP) which Terry doesn't have :p

Originally Posted by bathurst77

Perhaps its more a competitor to the Ford Escape?

See the wird thing is that the Captiva is kind of in between sizes, so its a bit confusing.

Its 7 seats so its not really an Escape competitor, unless u want to take the base model.

All these different sizes get confusing :

[McobraR]

I think it will sell. It drinks less and weighs lighter too, so performance wise it should match the terri (except turbo). It also doesnt look as conservative as the terri, so who knows, it might actually sell as much, or even more.

edit: also, it seems to have more features and has a lower rrp than the terri, another good selling point.

[SSBUB]

i doubt people buying this type of car would really care about peak kw figures either - if someone wanted a genuine off-roader with nuts, they wouldnt buy a soft-roader to begin with. Whats the pricing like of a normal territory and the base captiva ( i undertand they captiva has a few models, the top spec one being the 'maxx')

[McobraR]

Originally Posted by SSBUB

i doubt people buying this type of car would really care about peak kw figures either - if someone wanted a genuine off-roader with nuts, they wouldnt buy a soft-roader to begin with. Whats the pricing like of a normal territory and the base captiva ( i undertand they captiva has a few models, the top spec one being the 'maxx')

Good point! base model captiva is $35,990 for the SX base model. The Maxx is $42,990

[MeestaNob!]

The Territory DOES have ARP.

Ford put the centre of gravity below the roofline.

[Bucket]

IMO it's once again a cop out attempt by Holden to take on a completely Australian Designed, R&D'd SUV that had the market won thus far, with a Korean-GM Hybrid (i think the rear smacks of Ssangyong) The Engine is not Holden per-say, it is the HFV6, designed overseas- built here.
It will be a better seller than the Commodore based soft roader but it wont take the chunk out of the Territory market that Holden are hoping for. I think it's aimed directly at the Medium SUV and market (Kluger etc) and the Territory is in the Captiva's sights too because they quite simply dont have anything else to combat it. Im pretty sure those extra two seats in the rear a) wont be comfortable b) only look good on the spec sheet to potential MPV buyers.

Sorry...I did support Holden for its great effort on the VE but the buck stops there.

[Mechan1k]

Originally Posted by MeestaNob!

The Territory DOES have ARP.

Ford put the centre of gravity below the roofline.

Hahahahaha ... beat me to it

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by blackahcdx

Also Captiva has Active Rollover Protection (ARP) which Terry doesn't have :p

Wow I first thought, here I was thinking it was some form of roll over protection when rock hopping, like a giant electonic hand stopping you from tipping over... and.... t-h-e-n I read.... it's a roll over protection when lane changing, so my second thought was....is it so dangerous making a sudden lane change that the Captiva needs such a system?

[Full Spectrum]

Deadwood might build them but just reading another article and see they really don't seem to have a great deal of input into the Captiva.
Holden done the interior designs maybe same time as the VE. Suspension steering engineering side. Mike simcome and max wolf did the body design, What's left for deadwood?. Sell them build it.
Now the MAxx is something differnt it a overseas model brought straight in how it is.

[johnydep]

Originally Posted by SlickHolden

Deadwood might build them but just reading another article and see they really don't seem to have a great deal of input into the Captiva.
Holden done the interior designs maybe same time as the VE. Suspension steering engineering side. Mike simcome and max wolf did the body design, What's left for deadwood?. Sell them build it.
Now the MAxx is something differnt it a overseas model brought straight in how it is.

I think you'll find that Daewoo designed the S3X (Captiva) with the Holden guys giving their input to help make it more palatable for the Aussie palate.

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...2&page=4&pp=25

........find mutually acceptable compromises between what Holden wanted and what the Korean Daewoo factory offered. Complicating negotiations at times were the conflicting needs of his counterparts in other parts of the GM empire with a stake in this world vehicle.

It took some diplomacy working through all that? "Oh yes,"......

[Full Spectrum]

Originally Posted by johnydep

I think you'll find that Daewoo designed the S3X (Captiva) with the Holden guys giving their input to help make it more palatable for the Aussie palate.

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...2&page=4&pp=25

You mean GMDAT ?

[johnydep]

Originally Posted by SlickHolden

You mean GMDAT ?

Yes.

GM Daewoo Auto & Technology

GM Daewoo Auto & Technology (GM Daewoo or GMDAT) was first established as National Motor in 1937 in Bupyeong-gu, Incheon, South Korea. After changing its name to Saenara Motor in 1962, Saenara Motor was bought by Shinjin Industrial in 1965, which changed its name to Shinjin Motor after establishing collaborations with Toyota.

After Toyota's withdrawal in 1972, Shinjin Motor started a joint venture with General Motors under the name General Motors Korea, but was renamed again in 1976 to Saehan Motor. After the Daewoo Group gained control in 1982 the name was changed to Daewoo Motor. In the early 1990s the company started to expand heavily throughout the world. Until 1996 all cars were based on models from General Motors. After the Asian financial crisis started in 1997, it took over the troubled jeep specialist SsangYong in 1998, but ran into financial trouble in 1999.

In 2001 General Motors decided to buy most of Daewoo Motor's assets to form GM Daewoo. The new company started operations on October 17, 2002, with GM and its partners Suzuki and SAIC holding a stake of 66.7% with investments of US$400 million. The remaining equity stake of 33.3% was held by Korea Development Bank and several other Korean creditors with investments of US$197 million. The deal did not include 15 plants, especially Daewoo's oldest plant in Bupyeong which now operates under the name Daewoo Incheon Motor Company as a supplier to GM Daewoo; General Motors plans to buy this plant by 2008. In February 2005, GM invested US$49 million to raise its share in the company to 48.2%. Furthermore, GM acquired 6.9 million shares in GM Daewoo for US$21 million from Suzuki Motors in August of the same year. General Motors' share in GM Daewoo then increased to 50.9%. Suzuki still holds 11% of GMDAT but is reported to be considering selling this to GM.

GMDAT has design, engineering, research & development facilities that are involved in development for various GM products. On November 25, 2003, the design center was relocated to the new 2-story building at the Bupyeong headquarters and assigned the task to style a new SUV based on GM's Theta automobile platform to be released in 2006.

GMDAT has manufacturing plants in Korea and an assembly plant in Vietnam. GMDAT-designed cars are also assembled in China, Thailand, India, and Colombia [as of February 2005]. Its cars are marketed in over 140 countries (as of February 2005). In 2004, GMDAT sold more than 900,000 vehicles worldwide.