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14-04-2011, 01:59 PM | #1 | |||
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14-04-2011, 02:16 PM | #2 | ||
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Very bad news......but for once it wasn`t written like every other drive article.
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14-04-2011, 02:18 PM | #3 | |||
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Is it really a shock? Julia is riding this countries economy all the way into the ground.......
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14-04-2011, 02:21 PM | #4 | ||
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Ummm the demand for large cars hasnt dropped Bob, you just can't anything over the line that people actually want..
Holden still sell plenty of Commodores, and Commodore utes! You cannot put it all down to a dieing segment, you need to take some responsibility and start to get some **** happening with Falcon!! e.g. Gas, 4 cylinder and XR8. No point talking about it. |
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14-04-2011, 02:25 PM | #5 | ||
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I try to stay postive, but how much more can they cut, before they say "lets just quit??"
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14-04-2011, 02:26 PM | #6 | ||
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The segment is still there, otherwise BMW and Merc are spending some big bucks on a black hole....
I agree DASH, Ford have been to slow to react to what the market wants. All there products are great, well engineered etc but come too late. Its one thing to be fashionably late, its another to be an annoying gate crasher. What will be interesting, and I hold hope for it, is when LPG and the new tezza are back online and selling will these people be needed back?
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14-04-2011, 02:28 PM | #7 | |||
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The segment won't disappear but Ford and Holden need to realise the change in market and move away from this being their bread and butter. Holden have done this with the local production of the Cruze. You only need to look at March sales figures for Ford, sales were up for the cars in their other segments. Yes the LPG and I4T are missing, they may add some sales but no where near as many to justify Ford being a Falcon only company. They are good technologies but should have been here a long time ago. Too little too late and now they're paying for the incompetence shown. That's business. The Falcon may be a good product but is it really what everyone wants/needs?
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14-04-2011, 02:32 PM | #8 | ||
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Uncool, but not surprising. Something had to give sooner or later with the levels of manufacturing throughput. Hey, look on the bright side, at least they didn't say "well, this is no good, we're closing"
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14-04-2011, 02:41 PM | #9 | |||
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14-04-2011, 02:45 PM | #10 | |||
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14-04-2011, 02:45 PM | #11 | ||
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It is a big shame, but everyone here should of known this was coming. Falcon not selling so jobs go. Pretty simple.
Like was stated before, they really need to pick up on development times, so many great products just released way to late.
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Looks like a fire sale on their steel stock also?
http://www.graysonline.com/sale/5701...le%2bCatalogue
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14-04-2011, 03:04 PM | #15 | |||
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Its the morons who get paid big bucks that come flying in, think they are going to change the world, undo all of the previous work to only end up where the original direction was going anyway, wasting time and money. That is the problem.
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14-04-2011, 03:09 PM | #16 | ||
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Every time I see the Ford logo on the Age homepage, I know it's not good!
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14-04-2011, 03:10 PM | #17 | ||
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Oh and dropping the wagon as DASH mentioned was really stupid..even if they kept the sheet metal it still sold. I see countless numbers of Telstra wagons about, headlights ablaze and its bum dragging on the ground.
If Fords wagon was one of the toughest, it will be interesting to see how the others handle the work load. I would imagine a LPI ZF wagon would have been rather popular.
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14-04-2011, 03:14 PM | #19 | |||
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They should have just kept the BFIII wagon and put the zf in it / new LPG.. Would have cost them bugger all and would have kept them with 400 cars a month. If they were really cluey they would have put reverse park assist on them, 16 inch alloys and a colour screen with rear camera / cheap gps option. |
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14-04-2011, 03:19 PM | #20 | ||
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Yeah Yeah, but at least they are saving money and being profitable.
That is all that counts isn't it ?.
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14-04-2011, 03:27 PM | #21 | |||
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14-04-2011, 03:30 PM | #22 | |||
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While the above were not MASSIVE sellers.. every sale helped considering the piddling amount of sales now.. Commodore is reaping the rewards of a decade of good advertising.. being bold and daring with models.. MONARO/ SPORTS WAGON.. Commodore killing the falcon each month in sales and has done so for 15 years.. Want the VN nearly killed off? or a possibility from VL onwards to be killed off? How far is the FG from that? Feel sorry for the workers losing their jobs.. Feel it's fords doing rather than the Market sales.. Would this be happening if falcon pulled 3000+ sales per month just like the commodore?! |
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14-04-2011, 03:31 PM | #23 | |||
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Unless its unused steel stock left over from the BF days that can no longer be used...but its strange...and a bit alarming...but it could just truly be unused stock that will never be used and should be sold off anyway.
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It does say voluntary redundancies - so those what want out are being paid out as a result. That's my understanding anyway. Could be some pretty hefty payout figures if they've been there for extended periods of time...
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So that means JACK it could have come from anywhere.
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14-04-2011, 03:45 PM | #28 | |||
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Might be the time to get into a falcon before they go the way of the dodo.
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14-04-2011, 03:45 PM | #29 | ||
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Well if you look at what has been given the chop over the past few years you can see why their market share has fallen...
Fairlane - this one I agree with actually, not much money in that for the effort you need to go into to make it look different from the Falcon. Id love to know how the Statesman/Caprice programs fared with return on investment...BUT..with the money saved from axing it more tech could have gone into the G series! Wagon - even with updated mechanical it would have still turned over a few sales for little extra cost in integrating new drive trains RTV - what happened there, why couldn't they carry over the chassis with FG drivetrains and body? XR8 - dont even get me started on that, again a well engineered and balanced car but didn't deliver what the segment wanted. Its ok though, by the time they make a decision either way the current falcon will have 12 months left to run and they will wonder why they didn't make their money back..you could back a G8E/V8 option on other variants to spread costs. Then you come to delayed programs.... LPI - well its damn close but should have been here start of the year if not last...haven't had LPG for a while when it took up such a large % of sales Diesel - tell me again why this engine is not in the falcon sedan and ute? And why mules where running around in 2005 and it took until 2011 to get it in? Drivetrain programs when you dont even develop the engine should not take 6 years...and thats doesn't even include the time in which it was thought of before PD got their hands on it. I4T - next year now? I actually think its a huge risk and LPG/Diesel offers better alternatives, but still, its going to be 12 months to late. Ford have great cars, great tech and great people...but the decision making process is shyte to say the least. IMO GRWD cant come soon enough before the Falcon name is completely tarnished. Anyone who believes its purely the markets fault needs to take off the blue glasses. I love Ford, I really, do, but they make it very hard on themselves. LPI and Diesel should do well, but FoA really needs to get their product forecasts in order, they only have another 4-5 years of this falcon left and its all going to be to late. /****ed off rant Holden certainly have their flaws, but they read the market and supply what the consumers want much better. People carry on that the sportwagon just steals from the sedan, well maybe a little, but maybe some sales could have easily gone to small/meduim hatch backs aswell? Thats just one example.
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14-04-2011, 03:46 PM | #30 | ||
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Id say its excess stock that they dont have room to store and they are under contract to purchase. Its no good to them if they dont have the room to use it and they probably have more coming!!
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