TomTom GPS Trap!!

apstar · 06-05-2011, 04:24 PM

Have a read of this ********** gees what next!
http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/c...#ixzz1LXwWptA4

apstar

MAGPIE · 06-05-2011, 04:41 PM

Simple solution...

Don't buy a TomTom

GK · 06-05-2011, 05:10 PM

I reckon this sort of this is really the tip of the iceberg.

As more and more of our everyday use items link to satelites etc, etc, this will become far more common.

I reckon it won't be much longer before citylink and other such companies sell the data they gather (if not already) and also I reckon authorities will be pushing for satelite tracking on all vehicles.

GK

sgt_doofey · 06-05-2011, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAGPIE

Simple solution...

Don't buy a TomTom

Or, don't speed.

Jim Goose · 06-05-2011, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAGPIE

Simple solution...

Don't buy a TomTom

And this solves the issue how?
What happens when the other manufacturers sell the info to others?

The iPhone was recently given a please xplain in the USA because it was gathering data about the user of the phone as well as tracking their movements.

**Professor Farnsworth** · 06-05-2011, 05:17 PM

Well Tom Tom admitted it, question is, who else is?

chrisfpv · 06-05-2011, 05:39 PM

It'll be incorrect anyway. I don't know about other peoples Tom Toms, but the speed limits displayed on my Tom Tom GPS don't even match the posted speed limits on the road signs in some places.

Alot of the time my GPS will say the speed limit is 50, when it's 60 according to road signs and 100 when it's really 110.

Jim Goose · 06-05-2011, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisfpv

It'll be incorrect anyway. I don't know about other peoples Tom Toms, but the speed limits displayed on my Tom Tom GPS don't even match the posted speed limits on the road signs in some places.

Alot of the time my GPS will say the speed limit is 50, when it's 60 according to road signs and 100 when it's really 110.

The map data displayed on the Tom Tom isnt the issue.... its the fact they collect your movement data and then on sell it.

SEZ213 · 06-05-2011, 05:51 PM

Surely they wouldn't be able to do this in Australia...?

Civil libertarians will have a field day with this one, regardless of whether it's anonymous or not.

fat4D · 06-05-2011, 05:54 PM

big brother is watching

we are in an era of technology where they want to know where everyone is at all times... and they are succeeding

**Bundy** · 06-05-2011, 06:05 PM

I'm ol school, no GPS for me. I'd rather follow my nose and work it out along the way.

I never get lost, just have trouble working out where I've been

GreenR · 06-05-2011, 06:11 PM

.. The paradox of technology

flappist · 06-05-2011, 06:19 PM

You do realise that the ONLY thing this is recording is the most profitable places to put speed cameras.

Or as the idiots put it, "The don't speed" places.....

MAGPIE · 06-05-2011, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sgt_doofey

Or, don't speed.

Open your eyes, there is a bigger issue here

Venomous1 · 06-05-2011, 06:35 PM

The "Authorities" will eventually have a system where alll cars are tracked and if you speed they know, expect fine in the post just a matter of time right now people are guinea pigs for the technology to be advanced and developed with the guinea pigs money.

just my 2 cents.

SteveJH · 06-05-2011, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Venomous1

The "Authorities" will eventually have a system where alll cars are tracked and if you speed they know, expect fine in the post just a matter of time right now people are guinea pigs for the technology to be advanced and developed with the guinea pigs money.

just my 2 cents.

Instant Text message on mobile phone followed up with a letter in the mail more like it.

shedcoupe · 06-05-2011, 07:29 PM

When the trendoids are queing up to have the new phone chip inserted in their heads, the 'planners' will be deploying a new system to break into your thought processes with a sequence should you speed - 1) 'slow down please' 2) 'SLOW DOWN' 3) 'you have been fined and your funds deducted' 4) a stabbing pain, with an uncontrollable urge to pull over and wait for the tow truck, or maybe you'll just drive straight to the re-education camp (at a sensible pace of course).

FGII-XR6 · 06-05-2011, 07:36 PM

followed by "the ultimate upgrade" (cyberman)

Quote:

Originally Posted by shedcoupe

When the trendoids are queing up to have the new phone chip inserted in their heads, the 'planners' will be deploying a new system to break into your thought processes with a sequence should you speed - 1) 'slow down please' 2) 'SLOW DOWN' 3) 'you have been fined and your funds deducted' 4) a stabbing pain, with an uncontrollable urge to pull over and wait for the tow truck, or maybe you'll just drive straight to the re-education camp (at a sensible pace of course).

Mickxr8 · 06-05-2011, 08:07 PM

An interesting (long) read about Gps satellites.
(courtesy of wikipedia )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System

Do I trust them ? Not a chance..

2011G6E · 06-05-2011, 08:24 PM

I use my Nokia N97 as a GPS if i'm in the Celica (little bit old to have a nice sat nav system like the G6E...), and when I was down near Brisbane, it "surprised me" twice. Once was saying "Warning...safety camera ahead", and that had me puzzled...what the hell is a "safety camera?", thought I. Then i saw a fixed speed camera.

The other instance was when I was in an area I wasn't really familiar with, and suddenly it said I was exceeding the speed limit. I'd been watching the speed limits carefully, as I said I didn't know the area, and I knew damn well I was within the limit for that section of road.

So it isn't just Tom Toms...

**Mechan1k** · 06-05-2011, 09:09 PM

A safety camera is a speed camera and redlight camera combined in the one unit.

burnz · 06-05-2011, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAGPIE

Open your eyes, there is a bigger issue here

you've got that right..

all destinations appaire to oringinate from our houses..(we know where you live)

Jim Goose · 06-05-2011, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

I use my Nokia N97 as a GPS if i'm in the Celica (little bit old to have a nice sat nav system like the G6E...), and when I was down near Brisbane, it "surprised me" twice. Once was saying "Warning...safety camera ahead", and that had me puzzled...what the hell is a "safety camera?", thought I. Then i saw a fixed speed camera.

The other instance was when I was in an area I wasn't really familiar with, and suddenly it said I was exceeding the speed limit. I'd been watching the speed limits carefully, as I said I didn't know the area, and I knew damn well I was within the limit for that section of road.

So it isn't just Tom Toms...

The information about cameras on GPSs are only updated when you go online to get your map updates. This is why the speed warnings are sometimes way out of date and incorrect.
Even when you get an update online its usually months old.

AndrewR_AUII · 06-05-2011, 11:17 PM

I can see where the data could be useful - through this section, average car speed is xxx, which could help improve ETA calculations.
But, as mentioned, this data could easily be used for other purposes... and it certainly is not anonymous - as the location of the start of the journey would be a good pointer to 'home'

Tom-Tom say users could 'opt out' at any time... maybe this should be an opt-in option instead.

Stefan · 07-05-2011, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Goose

The information about cameras on GPSs are only updated when you go online to get your map updates. This is why the speed warnings are sometimes way out of date and incorrect.
Even when you get an update online its usually months old.

The information regarding tracking you is only available to them if you plug it into your computer....

Reaper8 · 07-05-2011, 08:47 AM

just use it when you need to cant understand having them on all the time. when you know where your goin turn it off and turn it on when you dont.

Whitey-AMG · 07-05-2011, 09:01 AM

Bloody hell........Now they tell us..............

The USA spent 10 years and hundreds of Billions of dollars trying to track down Osama Bin Laden......

All they had to do was covertly sell him a TOM TOM GPS for $50.00 and they would have known exactly where he was............and even slapped him with a couple of speeding fines on his way to Pakistan !!!!!!!!!!!

I really do wonder about the correct applications for all this technology sometimes.

apstar · 07-05-2011, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper8

just use it when you need to cant understand having them on all the time. when you know where your goin turn it off and turn it on when you dont.

Well I have it on for the safety/speed cameras especially if I'm in an area that I not familiar with and to remind me of the ones I know where they are

apstar

Bent8 · 07-05-2011, 01:00 PM

Tom Tom?....with the new laws in place meaning you can't even touch the unit while driving, why bother?

I use the GPS on my Xperia smartphone (Android) which even has free voice-guidance and it's miles ahead of any Tom Tom I've used.

When it comes to privacy, that little "right" was taken from us a looong time ago!

Ben73 · 07-05-2011, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by burnz

you've got that right..

all destinations appaire to oringinate from our houses..(we know where you live)

Most GPS's have a 'take me Home' feature where you save your home location. I did not set this for my house since I am not stupid. I just set it to a random house in my suburb.