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Hi Guys,
After all the reading of the good work from bluepower, think I will leave the xr8 alone and get a pursuit ute to play with. My question is what is the best driveline combo for drags in terms of times and reliability??? Want to make sure i get the right one upfront....... 1.Is a 4 speed auto with 4.11s best? 2. 6 Speed manual with 4.11's?? 3. 6 Speed Auto with 3:7's or 4.11s? Any facts would be appreciated!!!!
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Not sure how the blown boss's go, but I know of a 550rwkw F6 with the ZF 6 speed auto that broke an input shaft at the strip with a pretty docile launch.
If you want a manual, The TR6060 is apparently pretty strong, but you will always run quicker with a stalled auto. That leaves you with the 4 speed auto, as the ZF cannnot have any more than a couple of hundred rpm increase on the stall setting (you might find the extra grunt will increase the stock stall speed anyway) I believe any more rpm sends the transmission ECM into limp mode. I didnt really help you did I....... ![]() Daniel |
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Good post CAT600.
I would prefer the 4spd auto, as you can build some "give" into a converter that will save the car....... My low 10 sec ute is a testament to this. With the 6spd Auto, as well as software issues, they also have reduction sprag type gears in the higher ratios, meaning WEAKER. so a ZF with gears for drags, not my cup of tea. Manual? See Craig lunch the diff in his GT? Wade and Glenn both breaking lock pins in leaf springs?? too hard on the car. A well built 4spd auto will be comfy with big power and repeated runs, and also give rewarding bang for buck in the wallet department. Chris
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Lets not forget me also lunching a diff!!
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thanks gents for your input... the 4 speed should also be the cheapest to get a hold of too... see how the shopping goes....
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Okay after some searching it seems it maybe easier to get a BF where my options will be either 6 speed auto or 6 speed manual....
What is the better option here???
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one owner 50,000k's. I wouldnt pay anymore than $24 grand for a low k 2003 model.
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what about 20k for a 05 6 speed manual BF xr8 ute with all the options??
Are 11's achievable in a manual without to much hasle??
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Mate the best driveline l would suggest is to get me to drive it....lol.....
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thanks for the offers of help...... and sales. HOT460 looks like a good deal.....
I did get a BF xr8 ute 6 speed manual for just under 20 with 60kms which i thought was a great offer. I know its not a pursuit but sometimes things fall into your lap that just seem meant to be.... I've been told to bin my capa vortech blower kit and get a KB. But i think i will put it on and run it with the usual mods as surely it should at least put me into the 11's.. Also need something to teach my self the sct adv 3 software so it will be some fun times ahead. Once i get my together will look at the KB option..... Any tips for what/how people have set these babies up??
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Thats an awesome price for a well optioned BF XR8 Ute..
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so what diff gears are best for 6 speed manual???? Economy not required......
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Picked up the turbo today. Its got some nice low down grunt. It suprised me a little. Just doesn't have that V8 feel or sound. And that bonnet bulge. Give me a Boss motor any day! Hopefully my boss will buy my old ute and put a kb on it and use it as a dedicated drag car!
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so what diff gears are best for 6 speed manual???? Economy not required......
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4.11:1 naturally asprirated Boss.
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For the 6spd auto. I recommend 3.45:1
Anything lower would be silly (for 1st gear).
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ok so a side-mount vortech would I still run the 4.11s as the bottom end toque isn't there as with a PD blower????
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Ok I got a hold of a complete difillipo big boy system and 4.10 gears. Just want to confirm that 4.10s are ok for a blown application (vortech) to begin with?
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Well I've had the vortech in a box for 12months I bought just before I discovered what bpr were capable of. I'd say 350kw at wheels would be about max I would expect from the vortech. I still plan to source a second boss motor and get it rebuilt with a kb 2.8, but given that is about a 30k exercise it may take some months to afford it.
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Have also heard a slightly higher 1st ratio is the go, as otherwise 1st is too low. Am i on the right track Chris?
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