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Ford screwed the Falcon
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Ford screwed the Falcon
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"Arno Antilitz, Volkswagen’s CFO, explained on a media call last month that EV orders are down to 150,000 in Europe. That’s 50% lower than the 300,000 from last year."
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it would appear that most manufactures are cutting back/scaling down production now. |
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How good is it - all the traditional manufacturers had a right laugh at Tesla, ignored them for so long, then all of a sudden tried to jump into it at the last minute when they saw the momentum behind it, with both feet and shot themselves in the foot
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Thailand Specials
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I think Cupra are here
https://www.cupraofficial.com.au/sto...&t_cartype=new I've seen precisely one on the road ever, Looks good, but $65K DA is Telsa Model 3 money and you'd have rocks in your head if you're going to pay the same price as the established market leader for the new kid on the block with limited experience in manufacturing EVs. I wouldn't even buy their regular cars let alone their EV ![]() This is like the university graduate coming in and demanding $150K PA in a wage negotiation. Also look how **** their website is, the limited information on the car and the LHD photos - no effort what so ever so whats their car going to be like if they can't even do a website properly? Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 19-11-2023 at 02:32 PM. |
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Hard to tell if we’ll ever see ID4 & ID5 here in Australia in any sort of numbers,
maybe the Tesla 3 and Y offer better value with more performance… So I wonder if the VW based Ford EV Explorer and Capri will ever get to Australia? Perhaps on their last gasp if Euro buyers reject them….. |
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maybe slowing economics and high interest rates have killed off a lot of the interest but also I’ve heard that quite a few buyers are going back to ICE or hybrids because BEV charging was inconvenient or badly underwater financially thanks to dealer markups….. |
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I should be able to pay for a car and it turns up in my driveway the next business day or same day delivery if I'm in Melbourne or Sydney metropolitan area. |
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John Cadogan has a good wrap up of the recent cuts to EV production here - it's happening big time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIpipeUI6zw Typically colourful language, sharp mind behind it.
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Wonder if all those EU countries stipulating no new ICE vehicles past a set date extending out the deadlines are also affecting sales?
And let's be honest, without insulting anyone, until the Chinese EV's started increasing choices and offering pricing closer to ICE vehicles only companies, self-employed business owners and people with above average income are buying EV's....the 3 Tesla owners I know fall into the higher income bracket, or self-employed business owner and all 3 have solar panels on their homes as well or the business site has a charging point. |
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In my own case, I'm a self employed business owner and there is no way in hell I'd pay $90k plus for an EV Vito to replace my diesel Vito, I lose range, power, towing, payload and pay upto $30K more... On a private vehicle side no EV makes me go "damn I've got to have one"...and I've got solar at home, offered free solar on my factory roof every second week and so can put a charger at work. Last edited by Dr Smith; 20-11-2023 at 02:55 PM. |
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Imagine being in the last 600k group waiting years for your vehicle to become available for scheduling. The whole thing wreaks of showmanship and if Ford or GM did this, they would be called out big time. On topic, The MEB based vehicle toolkit cost a packet to develop ($17 billion) but worse than that, VW being partly owned by one of the German states insisted on making jobs for the Union, so the cars became labor intensive driving up the costs and slowing production - insane. I hope Ford has the good sense to streamline production of the BEV Explorer and Capri lest they suffer the same devastating fate as VW. It’s fun watching large corporates twist and contort themselves avoiding the truth, it’s inevitable that things have to change Last edited by jpd80; 25-11-2023 at 09:49 AM. |
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You didnt mention BEV Puma. Is there a hidden reason? |
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I agree the whole things just weird...it's gone on for years ,waiting for something that looks like it's made in someone's garage ?
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It also shows what Ford could have done with evolution of C2 into proper BEV but instead, felt compelled to run off and waste money with VW on a flawed solution. |
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Even more so when you consider that Ford is replacing MEB batteries, controllers and motor drives with their own parts…
(Last Gen Amorok and Transporter used common platform, now defunct sth America and Hannover plants?) VW also wrongly assumed that it would be allowed to sell Amorok in North America….. |
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The constant disruption and changing market environment has really thrown many corporates for a loop. I’m sue they thought of electrification at its easiest, just an extension of PHEVs, drop the ICE and add more batteries. ^^^^^a quick and dirty change = lazy job done that was an unachievable economic nightmare. Well, probably achievable with the correct product envelope to begin with, takes much better planning. Anytime the ICE engineering and development silos saw EVs coming, they were dismissed /sabotaged in favour of their own projects because career lifers could see their jobs evaporating before retirement.. So imagine, e Focus wasn’t developed by Ford but by Magna with the intend of demonstrating their electrical motors and controls, low range but a great stepping stone to a proper long range BEV. It was a low cost project that demonstrated what was achievable with the right data and skill set. So when Ford discovered that Euro buyers preferred crossovers, it changed e Focus to the C-Max but because it’s data was so f***ing old they missed the switch away from minivans to SUVs. The misbegotten pos that was E-Max was then ‘rescued’ more money spent to become Mach E. Instead of making electric Focus Active and electric Escape, Ford chiefs doubled down on a sporty SUV, the Mach E GT was used to sell Bill Ford on the idea of using Mustang name, the rest is history.. Last edited by jpd80; 25-11-2023 at 11:59 AM. |
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but also cannot make their BEVs work either for profit or being able to sell to customers, What a cluster……. Isn’t it amazing how the poor mug that pays for vehicles gets shafted for ideology while every other free loading whacker get to pass on costs and make a packet. |
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Those same manufacturers are Tesla or Chinese Or in China in a jv JPD Do you see Ford Europe surviving? I know they have downsized. Is it enough? |
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will have Puma, Capri, Explorer and Mach E as well as E Transit - Transit van is the the profit earner and will carry the ship until people come onboard with electric vehicles. Not that they will willingly share any of those vehicles with us unless they crash and burn there… Ford Aus needs C2 2.0 EB & hybrids like Maverick and Bronco Sport as something interesting to sell below Ranger and give dealers some foot traffic. |
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Ford Escape Tried and failed . Don’t know why had three as loan cars and they were are a nice drive. For my application fuel use is too high but for most not an issue. Q Ford had about seven Escapes and an EV Transit in their facility last Saturday when I strolled around plus three Puma and 100,000 Ranger Everest thingys. |
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