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Old 28-11-2005, 04:32 PM   #1
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do you think a VN SS Group A, 220kw, six spd manual, twin throttle bodies and apperently almost indestructable, would beat a ED sprint
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Old 28-11-2005, 04:33 PM   #2
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Yep absolutely. Sprints are good, but they're not that good.
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Old 28-11-2005, 04:38 PM   #3
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I have to admit if i had a choice out of any ford before the BA GT or a VN Group A SS,
i would definately go the Group A SS. I read somwhere that they casted special blocks for them that are tough as and all the engine internals and gear box and driveline are just unbreakable aLSO THEY f****n fly
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Old 28-11-2005, 04:39 PM   #4
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do you think a VN SS Group A, 220kw, six spd manual, twin throttle bodies and apperently almost indestructable, would beat a ED sprint
The group A was only 215 kw 5.0 litre
the sprint had more torque though.

However I have a VN Group A and i think mine will beat any Sprint you give it out:
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Old 28-11-2005, 05:02 PM   #5
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Old 28-11-2005, 05:04 PM   #6
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this is a VN Group A for those who don't know This particular one is 1 of only 2 black ones made
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Old 28-11-2005, 05:07 PM   #7
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However I have a VN Group A and i think mine will beat any Sprint you give it out:
if you're talking about the one on Saturday, i think you're right!! :
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Old 28-11-2005, 05:13 PM   #8
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The group A was only 215 kw 5.0 litre
the sprint had more torque though.

However I have a VN Group A and i think mine will beat any Sprint you give it out:
That'd eat most things alive. :
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Old 28-11-2005, 05:36 PM   #9
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Holden Commodore SS Group A VN
5.0litre (4987cc) OHV 16-valve V8
215kW @ 5200rpm
411Nm @ 4000rpm
Six-Speed Manual, 3.45:1 final drive

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195kW @ 5000rpm
415Nm @ 4000rpm
Five-Speed Manual or Four-Speed Automatic
3.27:1 final drive manual, 3.45:! final drive auto

It would be close. Probably come down to the driver more then anything else.
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Old 28-11-2005, 05:36 PM   #10
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i bet it would eat it's own tyres alive too.
No traction control on that thing
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Old 28-11-2005, 05:40 PM   #11
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im sure the commodores shorter gearing and slight power and weight? advantage would see it pull away
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you got any pics
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but yeah it is the one from saturday at G & D dyno day.
Not bad for a Holden ??
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Old 28-11-2005, 06:53 PM   #13
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NUMBER BUILT: 302

BODY: all steel, integrated body/chassis, four-door sedan

ENGINE: 4.9-litre V8 with overhead valves and twin throttle body fuel injection

POWER & TORQUE: 215kW @ 5200rpm/411Nm @ 4000rpm

PERFORMANCE: 0-100km/h - 6.5sec, 0-400 metres -14.5sec

TRANSMISSION: six-speed ZF manual

SUSPENSION: Front - independent with Macpherson struts, upper and lower control arms, coil springs, anti-roll bar and telescopic shock absorbers. Rear - live axle with trailing arms, coil springs, anti-roll bar and telescopic shock absorbers

BRAKES: disc front and rear, power assisted

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Old 28-11-2005, 06:59 PM   #14
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It would be a lot closer than you think..
Have a look at the 1/4 times for both & you'll see...
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Old 28-11-2005, 07:05 PM   #15
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but yeah it is the one from saturday at G & D dyno day.
Not bad for a Holden ??
Paul what does that car run ? is it a dyno queen or do you use it ?
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Paul what does that car run ? is it a dyno queen or do you use it ?
well to be honest I have not raced it as I have a drag car,
It was my daily driver, that just got out of hand.
But I do still drive it a fair bit, and enjoy it that way.
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It would be nice to see what MPH it would pull over 400, it's an awsome daily driver, do you think the drive train would stand up too a race start ?
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It would be nice to see what MPH it would pull over 400, it's an awsome daily driver, do you think the drive train would stand up too a race start ?
I know the clutch will hemorage with a 5 grand dump.
It is just holding on now.
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On your website Paul it says your VN has a ZF 6-speed

How do you find it?
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do you think a VN SS Group A, 220kw, six spd manual, twin throttle bodies and apperently almost indestructable, would beat a ED sprint
I remember the VN Group A , I dont recall it being a SS, I thought it was a VN HSV GROUP A Commodore.

Anyway I dont know which would win in a drag race prob the holden but I know which is the nicer car and unfortunately it aint the Ford.

IMHO, the VN Group A was a car that stopped you in the street and made you stare at it as it went by and along with all the internal goodies it had made it a very tough car for its day.
I think they were like $60,000 in 1990.
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I remember the VN Group A , I dont recall it being a SS, I thought it was a VN HSV GROUP A Commodore.
An SS it certainly was......i remember being in awe of them at the motor show.
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what build No. is your group A? V8capri
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they were all red except for two tooheys special addition, thaey were black and two white ones were made
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I might be wrong again but I'm pretty sure they came out in a green aswell
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i seen a page someone put on the net about their "GENUINE" VN SS Group A and he had a pic of the dash like the one above and it had build No. 347 or 374 or something like that.
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How can you compare an ss with a slightly "t" tweaked falcon.

the "norm" commodore was the same output as the first "v8" falcon after the XE,

Compare Apples with oranges an you will allways come out a winner.......
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Wasnt the ss a Highly "tweeked car" as compared to a ED sprint.

The same comparison in the category was the same output "kw" as the falcon ?
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yeah but remenber they are still just gay
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I'll take a Sprint anyway. Too much bloody body kit hanging off the Group A.
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