Speed Cameras - Instant speed and average

[sexyxe]

hey everyone,
about 3 weeks ago i had a fortnight off work so i took the ride home from Canberra to Traralgon as i do down the Hume as i stay the night in Melbourne, otherwise its down through Cann River.
ANYWAY, i got really stuffed around the night i was leaving (friday night) and didnt end up leaving here - Canberra - till 1830 h, i was angry and i wanted to be home with family and friends so, whilst going home i sped.
I ride a 06 Yamaha R6, and i know that on the Hume highway as you enter Melbourne they have the cameras which take instant speed like a normal camera but also average the time it takes between cameras and works out your speed inbetween - stops speeding in between and then braking and passing through at the limit.
I know that there is cameras both in and out of Melbourne - 4 leaving and 6 going in.
I was tired, about 2230 h and i had made alot of time. I did the right thing and did the speed limit through the first 5 cameras till i reached what i thought was the last camera, obviously not, and i sped back up to around 190km/h, yes it stupid, yes i deserve what ever i get, i know that i did wrong.
I passed through the gap in the 5th and 6th camera at said speed and as i got close to camera 6 i saw it in the knick of time and slowed down to the limit, obviously in between in was speeding by alot.
I was wondering if anyone can help me with my question which is - How accurate are the cameras, will i recieve anything in the mail as i passed the cameras at the correct speed but incorrect inbetween, i have an ACT licence but was caught in Vic, heard it can be a little more lenient as im an 'out of stater', and how long should i wait for a letter if its coming, what should i be expecting if it arrives, ie:court, fine, jail??
i have a clean record, am a member of defence and am generally a good person.
im crapping my pants whilst waiting for this letter.
anyone wanna put me outta my missery would be great

[Walkinshaw]

Originally Posted by sexyxe

hey everyone,
about 3 weeks ago i had a fortnight off work so i took the ride home from Canberra to Traralgon as i do down the Hume as i stay the night in Melbourne, otherwise its down through Cann River.
ANYWAY, i got really stuffed around the night i was leaving (friday night) and didnt end up leaving here - Canberra - till 1830 h, i was angry and i wanted to be home with family and friends so, whilst going home i sped.
I ride a 06 Yamaha R6, and i know that on the Hume highway as you enter Melbourne they have the cameras which take instant speed like a normal camera but also average the time it takes between cameras and works out your speed inbetween - stops speeding in between and then braking and passing through at the limit.
I know that there is cameras both in and out of Melbourne - 4 leaving and 6 going in.
I was tired, about 2230 h and i had made alot of time. I did the right thing and did the speed limit through the first 5 cameras till i reached what i thought was the last camera, obviously not, and i sped back up to around 190km/h, yes it stupid, yes i deserve what ever i get, i know that i did wrong.
I passed through the gap in the 5th and 6th camera at said speed and as i got close to camera 6 i saw it in the knick of time and slowed down to the limit, obviously in between in was speeding by alot.
I was wondering if anyone can help me with my question which is - How accurate are the cameras, will i recieve anything in the mail as i passed the cameras at the correct speed but incorrect inbetween, i have an ACT licence but was caught in Vic, heard it can be a little more lenient as im an 'out of stater', and how long should i wait for a letter if its coming, what should i be expecting if it arrives, ie:court, fine, jail??
i have a clean record, am a member of defence and am generally a good person.
im crapping my pants whilst waiting for this letter.
anyone wanna put me outta my missery would be great

No they wont be lenient
The cameras would be deadly accurate.
If your average speed through an average speed trap was above 130 (assuming you were in a 100 zone) there is a VERY VERY high chance you will loose your licence outright.

[jaydee]

OMG, 190 kays, on a bike, no second chances there if you have the slightest thing go wrong, some people will only learn the hard way.

[Outbackjack]

What you were doing (190K) other than it was night time, and we all know about wild life, was not dangerous. You are probably an expereinced rider, so the speed was not the danger. This has been proved here in the NT. The only danger was, like I said, wild life.

This why Australian road laws are so very stupid and designed to raise money, if it happens to safe a life , then that is just a bonus.

You should have acidentally got a coat or something wrapped around your number plate.

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by jaydee

OMG, 190 kays, on a bike, no second chances there if you have the slightest thing go wrong, some people will only learn the hard way.

Before jan 07 190k was a slow speed on the roads out here, especially for bikes. How many times have you read about dead motor cyclists on the NT roads? Sadly you have been brain washed by revenue lustful governments. That was not an insult, just an observation.

[DOC]

There's a new One, you saying they have average speed cameras now ?, cant wait SA will follow soon.

[LTDterri]

Sorry to say I think your gone. As a native Victorian we live with these camera's every day and the new ones introduced on the Hume Hwy are average speed type that take your photo regardless of your speed then take another at the next camera, estimate your speed and if you have done point A to point B in less time that is allowed for 110km per hour zone you are stuffed. Victorian government makes s^*t loads from camera's. Having said all this....190.....what were you thinking

[Outbackjack]

Say no more......

http://www.photoblocker.com.au/

[DivHunter]

Originally Posted by Walkinshaw

The cameras would be deadly accurate.

Everyone's a comedian.

[Ringo]

Does that photo blocker stuff work?

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by Ringo

Does that photo blocker stuff work?

Its hard to tell. I certainly haven't gone out of my way to test it in a real life situation. But it is impossible to take a photo with a digital camera using a flash further than about 8 meters away from the plate. I know that for sure as I HAVE tested that.

[kooky]

Can some one explain to me how these estimated speed camera's work?

you pass through each camera and it takes your photo each time for every car. Then there is someone/something checking each photo for the time and car etc...... how many cars pass down the Hume each day...... X 5 photos...... sounds far fetched, has anybody got any proof of how these actually work?

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by Outbackjack

Before jan 07 190k was a slow speed on the roads out here, especially for bikes. How many times have you read about dead motor cyclists on the NT roads? Sadly you have been brain washed by revenue lustful governments. That was not an insult, just an observation.

No I'm not talking from a revenue side, I'm just saying 190 on a bike is excessive in any language and there are too many variables on a bike, no second chances. You hit a bee swarm in your car, no worries, on a bike, thats different. Someone changes lanes on you because 2 seconds ago you weren't in their mirror then suddenly there's a bike.
Don't know about NT roads for dead motor cycles but here in WA it's over 20 this year.
I'm just speaking from experience on road bikes, gave them away when I got a family and found myself doing silly things and too many near misses.

Take out a good insurance policy for your family too.

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by kooky

Can some one explain to me how these estimated speed camera's work?

you pass through each camera and it takes your photo each time for every car. Then there is someone/something checking each photo for the time and car etc...... how many cars pass down the Hume each day...... X 5 photos...... sounds far fetched, has anybody got any proof of how these actually work?

Saw it on our favourite show, ACA, they're called POINT TO POINT cameras and they can cover all the lanes, read your rego plates as you pass through camera A then when you go through camera B it reads your rego again, computer figures out how long you took to travel that distance (which might be a couple of kays) and can tell if you were speeding on an average.
Then you get a nice letter from the revenue gatherers in the mail.

Good luck over there and glad we don't have them in WA, yet...

[SupahStah]

they are called TODC. time over distance cameras. they take the time it would normally take eg 5 minutes between the 2 cameras and if u go below that, they work out the average speed you would be going and charge you for it. but you chances are 50/50 as they dont get ALL of the people that pass through the cameras. you might be lucky, like you were at 190

[xrdreaming]

They don't use flashes anymore either, they are infra red at night so photo blocker is useless.

More than 45 kph over the limit in Victoria is now also classed as a hoon related offence and you lose your car/bike for 48 hours for a first offence, not sure how they would go about it interstate though, let us know what happens.

[Hibbz]

one thing i dont understand how can they take a photo of someone travelling at 110kph and also take one of someone travelling at say 250kph the two cars would be in very different places when the it takes the photo.

One thing i did see the other day was a bloke on a harley that over took me doing about 130kph as we were coming up to a set of cameras "i laughed thinking he was a idiot and was going to get flashed" but as he went under the bridge (camera's were on the other side) we put his hand behind the bike and covered his numberplate i couldn't beleive it very funny to watch.

Thanks Jake

[devilcv8]

Originally Posted by Walkinshaw

there is a VERY VERY high chance you will loose your licence outright.

as he has an ACT license and victoria can't take his ACT license off him there is a very good chance that apart from a fine (maybe a court date) all that vic can do is remove his right to drive in victoria.

[sexyxe]

whoa..so far im sort of not shitting my dacks as much now.... BUT i have a ACT car licence, VIC motorbike licence as they wouldnt transfer it on the day for some BS paper reason. So i am waiting on my VIC licence to be transfered...im hopin that they get it transfered up before then....
I know 190 is stupid. But on a bike its pretty casual, as OUTBACKJACK said it isnt a speed thing that kills people, i could obviously see other cars, wasnt a fear of other cars, bike stops in 46mtrs from 100 - 0 km/h, more near 75 for 200 km/h.
The odds of falling are low, animals are low, but it is still there, its one of those things were at the time it doesnt seem dumb

[sexyxe]

Originally Posted by SupahStah

they are called TODC. time over distance cameras. they take the time it would normally take eg 5 minutes between the 2 cameras and if u go below that, they work out the average speed you would be going and charge you for it. but you chances are 50/50 as they dont get ALL of the people that pass through the cameras. you might be lucky, like you were at 190

i didnt pass through at 190, i did the limit... when i told my mates and my mum - who hates bikes - they all said that i should have sped up, over 200 isnt readable(??) or something at the time i didnt think of that, however i should have, or i should have stopped on the side of the road, but it wasnt really on the top of my mind at the time

[trimmaster]

Being on a bike you could have made sure you didn't drive on the sensors that are in the road that set the cams off.
There is not enough room to do it in a car but I reckon a bike could miss them.

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by xrdreaming

They don't use flashes anymore either, they are infra red at night so photo blocker is useless.

More than 45 kph over the limit in Victoria is now also classed as a hoon related offence and you lose your car/bike for 48 hours for a first offence, not sure how they would go about it interstate though, let us know what happens.

Infra red is easier to block than a flash camera. Think to yourself 15+ sun screen. No matter what the revenue police throw at us , us geeks wil find a barrier.

[uranium_death]

Personally, I do not care what is perceived to be safe.
The fact remains is that we have road laws. You may be experienced, but others are not and they are the ones who get themselves killed. 18-24 year old driver fatalities speak for that. We also cannot have separate speed limits for motorcycles and four-wheel-plus vehicles.

My closing statement is that rather than try to fool cameras, just drive at the recommended speed.

[sexr6tasy]

I wouldnt worry about it mate even the vic government doesnt have federal powers to take your licence away in other states as for the todc cams its bullcrap next it will be tracing bugs attached to all cars so you can never speed ever because everybody knows accidents never happen under the speed limit ;)

[MITCHAY]

I don't how it all works in Victoria, but my cousin got busted driving 160km/h in NSW and all they did was revoke his right to drive in NSW. He can drive in ACT and elsewhere but NSW. Would of been alright except his job was just across the border which was NSW :

I'd assume that it would be similar. The problem is that if you are caught on the spot, the ban is instant and you can't drive from there. His parents were mighty ****ed I can tell you that and they are strict to begin with!

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by uranium_death

Personally, I do not care what is perceived to be safe.
The fact remains is that we have road laws. You may be experienced, but others are not and they are the ones who get themselves killed. 18-24 year old driver fatalities speak for that. We also cannot have separate speed limits for motorcycles and four-wheel-plus vehicles.

My closing statement is that rather than try to fool cameras, just drive at the recommended speed.

The vast majority of drivers drive at the posted speed limit and do not go out of their way to break the law. Most people here are against speed camera's because we all know that are prone to make mistakes and we all know that driving with your eyes glued to the speedo is dangerous. By the sounds of your posts this is what you do. This would mke you a dangerous driver, but hey, you probably wont get a speed camera fine. I am glad that you dont drive around here.

[sexyxe]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

I don't how it all works in Victoria, but my cousin got busted driving 160km/h in NSW and all they did was revoke his right to drive in NSW. He can drive in ACT and elsewhere but NSW. Would of been alright except his job was just across the border which was NSW :

I'd assume that it would be similar. The problem is that if you are caught on the spot, the ban is instant and you can't drive from there. His parents were mighty ****ed I can tell you that and they are strict to begin with!

Did he get a fine or did he just have the right to drive in NSW revoked?
thats sort what i want, wouldnt bother me if i couldnt drive/ride in Vic too much.
thanks for the advice/comments everyone

[EB 2 XR8]

Mate the best way for you to think is you got done.

Ecpect to go to court.

Expect a big fine.

Expect to lose your liscence.

[FPV8U]

As i have discussed with you Sexyxe expect the worst and see what comes of it, from what some of the guys are saying in here you might get off alot lighter than we all thought...

Try not to think about it mate, you know you did the wrong thing and have come in here and admitted that, now the wait begins, hopefully it won't take too long.

Can someone plese answer this question though, if he had been caught by a police officer doing this, would it have been legal for them to Impound his Bike for 48 Hours considering he is from another state?

[sexyxe]

FPV8U - by the sounds of it, if they did impound it, as is ur case, you might end up with a good deal off the cops for some unknown reason ;)