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30-04-2010, 09:47 PM | #1 | ||
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Without getting into an arguement over the rights and wrongs etc of whether Police should seize vehicles, I just thought this was an interesting story.
Guy is driving a 17 tonne loader whilst talking on his mobile. Gets pulled up by the Police and turns out his license is suspended. His boss is going to be real happy about this. What an idiot, really dumb http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/west...-1225860554948
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30-04-2010, 10:17 PM | #2 | ||
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Yep bureaucratic stupidity is the only constant in this country.
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30-04-2010, 10:22 PM | #3 | ||
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and that things no where near 17 tonne!!!
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30-04-2010, 10:33 PM | #4 | |||
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30-04-2010, 10:40 PM | #5 | ||
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Government fail.
This sort of garbage is happening only too often these days. |
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30-04-2010, 10:47 PM | #6 | ||
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Imagine the cost to the taxpayer for a low loader to be brought in to shift the front end loader asuming it was not driven to were it was impounded.
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01-05-2010, 07:15 AM | #7 | ||
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so he was not driving down the road ,He was actually working the machine in roadworks. wonder why people lose respect for cops
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01-05-2010, 09:59 AM | #8 | |||
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Actually if you read the article he was driving ON THE ROAD and was pulled over at an intersection. At no point in the article does it say he was within the road works area. It only says it was being used in roadworks in the area. Tough for him, he broke the law and was dumb enough to drive a vehicle with a suspended licence and got caught...... boohoo I would bet that if he wasnt talking on the phone the police wouldve just driven straight past and not pulled him over.. Yet again members on here lambast Police for doing their job.... get real people.
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01-05-2010, 12:21 PM | #9 | ||
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IMHO, the "vehicle" sholuld not be impounded if it is not the primary means of transport of the offender, ie: if it's a front end loader which belongs to the Boss, a truck which belongs to the Employer, or Auntie Mabel's Camry which the "hoon" was just taking to the shop once and once alone (maybe hard to prove this one, but you get the idea). The offender should still have the book thrown at him. After all, how long has it been widely known that thou shalt not chat on mobile phones while operating a vehicle? It's not bloody hard!
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01-05-2010, 12:25 PM | #10 | ||
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What an idiot!, the cop that is, the guy was working on a closed road, he should be able to talk on the mobile while driving the loader i think, also the boss shouldn't have to loose his vehicle over it, even if his employee was doing the wrong thing, he himself was not in charge of the loader at the time
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01-05-2010, 12:28 PM | #11 | |||
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01-05-2010, 12:39 PM | #12 | |||
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More like 8-9 tonne. |
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01-05-2010, 12:47 PM | #13 | |||
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My problem is with the stupid "police state" laws. How these got through I'll never know. It is legalised stealing by the police as far as I see it. Just another case in this country where the victim gets punished more than the criminal. |
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01-05-2010, 01:25 PM | #14 | |||
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Where in the news report does it say it was a closed road? It says it was at an intersection..... No where does it say in that article he was within the road work area!
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01-05-2010, 02:39 PM | #15 | ||
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Some people must be reading a different link than the one I posted. It clearly says he was driving along at the time through an intersection.
Now if he was driving a 17 tonne front end loader whilst talking on his phone (which has ben proven is a big distraction) and he ran into you because of inattention you'd be jumping up and down. Theres only one idiot here and thats the moron with no license, therefor no insurance driving a heavy vehicle yakking on his mobile.
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No wonder some people get into trouble with them, attitude test FAIL....
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01-05-2010, 03:34 PM | #17 | |||
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technically driving on Hiway. yes hes a dumbass but if he was digging up the road then he might have assumed he was ok
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01-05-2010, 04:44 PM | #18 | |||
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The article says he was driving through an intersection near some road works. I doubt the police would have even looked at him if he had have been in the road work area.
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01-05-2010, 05:44 PM | #19 | ||
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This is yet another example of incompetent lawmaking and bureaucratic stupidity controlling the police force.
The last time it was a lambo confiscated due to a mechanic test driving it, this time it is a very expensive piece of road building machinery. What happened to the good old days when the police force's mandate was to keep the peace and protect the people? Once coppers could assess a situation and act in the best interest of the people, now they are almost robots who are disciplined if they do not follow the exact wording of the law regardless of any circumstances. The almost Nazi like culture of "YOU MUST OBEY" that is becoming so common in all sections of the public service (yet another oxymoron) from the parliament all the way down to the council dog catcher is turning the once free country of Australia into an almost totalitarian socialist domaine. The idiots who created these "hoon laws" have demonstrated gross incompetence and complete failure to understand the issues. The sycophantic apparatchiks who are implementing these flawed debacles and forcing police officers to act in such inane ways should be removed from office and charged with treason against the people of Australia. This can only be fixed one way. They have to be constantly reminded at the ballot box that they are the servants not the masters of the people. |
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Unfortunately Flappist, unless a political party with a whole different set of idea's comes to power, and there's an equally minded party on the other side, voting against them won't do any good.
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01-05-2010, 09:14 PM | #22 | ||
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Iv'e read the original post, and I've read a couple of interpetations of where he may or may not have been driving. Appears to me, and I am willing to be corrected, he was caught driving a heavy vehicle, whilst under suspension, whilst talking on a mobile phone, whilst either on a road or a highway. He may have, or may have not, been the owner/ operator of said vehicle.
If he is the owner of said vehicle he has broken at least two laws, if he is the operator for an owner, then the owner is guilty of breaking at least one law. People may be aggreived about hoon laws ,but IMO, this is a perfect example of when a vehicle should be impounded. Why anyone would defend his actions, or compare the legislation that is in place to avoid this stuff happening, as akin to nazism, or totalitarianism, is beyond credibility. He is a professional driver, and as such would be well versed in what is required of him to earn his livelyhood. If he chooses to ignore the constraints that are put in place to stop people driving to fast for the conditions, or whilst talking on a phone ,or whilst under suspension,or whilst over the BAC,or whilst doing any other thing that is illegal, why should anyone defend him or compare the coppers who enforce these rules to robots!
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01-05-2010, 09:35 PM | #23 | |||
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What if it was a school bus, rural fire brigade truck, VMR trailer or some other important piece of equipment? Should those be confiscated for a month because some idiot drove them illegally when they were off duty? Kids miss a months school, a few houses burn down, a couple of people drown but at least the nasty phone user was stopped. Hoon laws are suppose to stop HOONS, not be used as a weapon of mass destruction. The world is not black and white..... |
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01-05-2010, 10:05 PM | #24 | |||
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"Kids miss a months school, a few houses burn down, a couple of people drown but at least the nasty phone user was stopped." Or the obligatory "nazi", or "conspiracy" My post was based on the fact that there was nowwhere in the original post that said anyone was "off duty"
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01-05-2010, 10:09 PM | #25 | ||
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Tony, I know this is a little off topic but it's kinda related....
As you know I drive a Truck, a few weeks ago all drivers received a memo saying that there is now a new law in Vic. Whereby if we (the drivers) get caught for speeding (in any state) not only do we get fined so does the company. I haven't followed up to see if this is correct yet or when it comes in to effect perhaps one of our friendly Mr Plods in here might know. We are already speed limited to 100kmh, have Satellite tracking and receive a warning letter if we run off hills at more than 110kmh. I do fail to see how anyone can fine a company for the actions of their drivers hundreds of kilometres away.
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I think you meant that companies should ensure their employees are working within OH&S laws. If Road related incidents were in OH&S jurisdiction the Highways would be classed as a workplace and they're not (not in Oz anyway) If what you said was even remotely correct every company that employs drivers, be they Taxi, Company Reps, or the Police force would be in court everyday!
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01-05-2010, 11:13 PM | #28 | |||
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If the road is a "workplace", and it can be, then trust me... its covered... Road working/earth moving equipment is without question covered by OH+S legislation...
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01-05-2010, 11:19 PM | #30 | ||
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Can someone explain to me why you are allowed to use CB radio in a truck/ute/car... but not a mobile phone??
What is the difference?? The CB is not hands-free, its having a conversation with someone (ie:distracting) and 99% of trucks have one fitted (1% arent working at the moment)...
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