2021 bmw m3 & m4

**DFB FGXR6** · 23-09-2020, 07:10 PM

I grew up in an era where BMW made some of the best looking and best driving cars in the world.

The E46 M3 is a particular favorite of mine.

And now we have this hideous looking thing.

WHAT WERE THEY THINKING!

And to think people thought the AU Forté had a grotesque grill.

Wretched · 23-09-2020, 07:44 PM

In M3/4 form, the front looks less horrid to a point that I don't mind it.
It's like they designed the cars from the M models back.

**kypez** · 23-09-2020, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

I grew up in an era where BMW made some of the best looking and best driving cars in the world.

The E46 M3 is a particular favorite of mine.

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And now we have this hideous looking thing.

WHAT WERE THEY THINKING!

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And to think people thought the AU Forté had a grotesque grill.

It's hideous and I do find it funny that BMW are going crazy with the grill just as they look to more electrics.

**Rallye Sport** · 23-09-2020, 08:26 PM

Agreed its not a looker from the front but I think the back of them will be the view most of us will be seeing

Ben73 · 23-09-2020, 08:27 PM

As a long time BMW fan, it's disgusting looking.

happy1 · 23-09-2020, 08:55 PM

They are not pretty.

https://abload.de/img/x7bfocu8.jpg

And here some spy photos of the year 2025 model:

https://66.media.tumblr.com/aa298a4b...tsdeo9_540.jpg

Remember, Audi had a grille for a few years that went down below the bumper also. Didn't last long before it gradually got smaller again.

Adamz Ghia · 23-09-2020, 08:58 PM

While not great looking, I think it’s the kind of car where the colour makes or breaks it. It looks far better in the brighter colour than the dark green.

**Polyal** · 23-09-2020, 09:00 PM

I can live with it on the coupe but the sedan is a no go. Don’t know why it makes a difference but it does. They should have left it for that i4.

bangm001 · 24-09-2020, 08:58 AM

At least it stands out. Every second BMW has a M badge on it now!

Have been in my relatives 2018 M4 and all i can say is that although not a huge powerhouse (TT 6), it gets all of it to the ground and gear changes were ridiculously quick. Not sure id pay 170K but it was very nice and refined.

Vesper Martini · 24-09-2020, 09:56 AM

I think they are going back to their heritage, which seems to be a popular move these days

look at a 1938 328
https://www.classicdriver.com/en/car...28/1938/160256
https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0819-38...28mm-roadster/

or a 1975 BMW 2002
https://imboldn.com/1975-bmw-2002-turbo/

Alfa Romeo Giulia is regarded as one of the best looking cars around and its grill is huge.

The e46 looks good buts its very sedate they toned down the grill for a few years and they have become less aggressive in appearance,

though they may have overdone it a bit I think its a good move. too many cars look the same

Vesper Martini · 24-09-2020, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by bangm001

Have been in my relatives 2018 M4 and all i can say is that although not a huge powerhouse (TT 6), it gets all of it to the ground and gear changes were ridiculously quick.

317KW 550NM 0-100 in 4.2?
but they sound terrible

bangm001 · 24-09-2020, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

317KW 550NM 0-100 in 4.2?
but they sound terrible

Yeah something like that, My typhoon (manual) is around 350+kw and 700nm and would nowhere near keep up from s standstill to say 100.

Vesper Martini · 24-09-2020, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by bangm001

Yeah something like that, My typhoon (manual) is around 350+kw and 700nm and would nowhere near keep up from s standstill to say 100.

Bit hard competing with a proper sports car, BMW engineers would make sure the M4's 3L gets the power to the wheels to best effect.

But FWIW if were talking modified the M4 can achieve over 500KW. its a definite powerhouse that engine
https://www.bmwblog.com/2018/04/15/a...-adv-1-wheels/

**FTE217** · 24-09-2020, 12:19 PM

it it polarising but I'll pass judgement once I see one in the flesh.
One thing is for sure, a proper M is a nice bit of kit when your in the cockpit and piloting it around some great twisty rounds, rippa machines to me.
bangm001 point is right, at least its a point of diff now.

**Giant Cranium** · 24-09-2020, 01:21 PM

Fixed

**kypez** · 24-09-2020, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

317KW 550NM 0-100 in 4.2?

but they sound terrible

Good gearbox ratios. Remember the corvette had a great 0-100 time cause you didn't have too change gears till just over 100!

Smaller and lighter than our Falcons which put out more power but never got it down to be usable.

Bossxr8 · 24-09-2020, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by kypez

Good gearbox ratios. Remember the corvette had a great 0-100 time cause you didn't have too change gears till just over 100!

Smaller and lighter than our Falcons which put out more power but never got it down to be usable.

This new one is over 1700 kg for the rwd version. The awd version will be even heavier. That's porky for an M3. Very porky. About 150kg heavier than the previous model.

It's also a little heavier than an FG XR6. They used to be pretty light, especially compared to a C63.

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Originally Posted by happy1

They are not pretty.

https://abload.de/img/x7bfocu8.jpg

And here some spy photos of the year 2025 model:

https://66.media.tumblr.com/aa298a4b...tsdeo9_540.jpg

Remember, Audi had a grille for a few years that went down below the bumper also. Didn't last long before it gradually got smaller again.

I saw someone on twitter claim the new grille looks like the big Audi grille wearing a g string

**kypez** · 24-09-2020, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

This new one is over 1700 kg for the rwd version. The awd version will be even heavier. That's porky for an M3. Very porky. About 150kg heavier than the previous model.

It's also a little heavier than an FG XR6. They used to be pretty light, especially compared to a C63.

1700 kg is getting up there. The Sprint 6 was 1818 kg according to Ford and my rego papers. The AWD will add penalty but will assist in performance. 4.1 for a manual RWD is pretty good.

**DFB FGXR6** · 30-09-2020, 07:27 PM

The over styling continues onto the optional M Performance exhaust.

Wretched · 30-09-2020, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

This new one is over 1700 kg for the rwd version. The awd version will be even heavier. That's porky for an M3. Very porky. About 150kg heavier than the previous model.

It's also a little heavier than an FG XR6. They used to be pretty light, especially compared to a C63.

The "increase" in weight is apparently due to new regs in Europe that now require manufacturers to not report the weight based on the "lightest" model, meaning cloth seats, carbon discs, etc. It has to be based on one that is in standard trim.

.:4:. · 30-09-2020, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

The over styling continues onto the optional M Performance exhaust.

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I wasnt a fan of the lexus isf stacked exhausts, i dont care how good the car goes, looks wise to me, that looks silly. I supose you wont scrape the tips, but in my opinion, a simple exhaust pipe on the left or right, or duals, just looks more normal.

Express · 01-10-2020, 12:18 AM

I like them.

happy1 · 01-10-2020, 02:58 AM

If you look back at the design changes that took place every few years early on in the automotive industry, there were some quite dramatic changes every few years. In my view some of the biggest appearance changes were between years 1938, 1946, 1955 and 1960. It is just incredible how different the cars looked every few years back then simply by facelifts or when releasing entirely new models.

If you look at the same time span of recent 10 or 20 years, yes new cars look a little different, but not by much. Almost boring how similar they are. The phone connects better the last few years, but who needs that.

Cheers,

Big_Daz · 01-10-2020, 09:38 AM

I'm one of the minority on here.. I actually think in M3 form with the Pumped guards it looks good...

Vesper Martini · 01-10-2020, 01:02 PM

I've watched a few Youtube clips on them now and really like the new look, the whole car is a good combination of curves and sharp edges.

The current X5M would look better with a grill like this - they need to stand out from the Msport pack

**DFB FGXR6** · 12-11-2020, 08:45 PM

Joy of Joy's, BMW have unveiled this masterpiece today.

I just don't know why the hell BMW are doing this grotesque styling for?

**FTE217** · 12-11-2020, 08:58 PM

Just woeful !

Chopped · 12-11-2020, 09:02 PM

I wonder if the styling is aimed at the Chinese market (Based on focus groups / trends etc)
BMW Now sell twice as many cars into China (their #1 market) than they do in the USA.
They even make long Wheelbase 3 series BMWS for China.

**Polyal** · 13-11-2020, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by FTE217

Just woeful !

A lot of people got paid a lot of money to produce that....

Thankfully its just a SUV POS.

Vesper Martini · 13-11-2020, 10:03 AM

That's the iX the new EV

certainly not my cup of tea form numerous reasons - checkout the interior

https://www.caradvice.com.au/900312/...nch-confirmed/

these cars seem to be designed for the look at me I'm saving the world type

Though there are better pics in the article and it does have 370kW from two electric motors, full-time four-wheel drive, and a 0-100km/h below 5.0 seconds.