Mazda 3 SP23??

Creampuff · 12-08-2007, 09:01 PM

Argueingwith a mate tonight, which is faster. I can't find any stats on the Mazda3 SP23 hatch auto '07 model. any one know o-100 or 400m times?
I am curious..thank you

XR8-260 · 12-08-2007, 09:08 PM

Wheels magazine performance data for 4spd auto Mazda 3 SP23 hatch:

0-100kph - 9.1 seconds

1/4 mile - 16.7 seconds

The '07 models come with 5spd autos so they would be a fraction faster.

Cheers.

falzoony · 12-08-2007, 09:15 PM

What are you comparing it with? not your xr6? there's no competition there.

Creampuff · 12-08-2007, 09:34 PM

yes, my XR6 with minimum mods....149rwkw. He wants a go next week so, I was curious how they really go?

BLOHSV · 13-08-2007, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Creampuff

yes, my XR6 with minimum mods....149rwkw. He wants a go next week so, I was curious how they really go?

you will rip him to shreads.you will see him your rear view mirror.

V3RSAC3 · 13-08-2007, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Creampuff

yes, my XR6 with minimum mods....149rwkw. He wants a go next week so, I was curious how they really go?

are you serious?? has the rice gone to his head?

Steffo · 13-08-2007, 12:57 AM

Ultra bad Wheels times aside, the Mazda 3 SP23 is good for about 7.8 seconds and can go down the 1/4 mile in about 15.5 seconds.

So... a stock BA XR6 will beat one comfortabley. Lightly modded, will beat it with ease.

V3RSAC3 · 13-08-2007, 01:00 AM

so basically ... u need not to worry!!

XR8-260 · 13-08-2007, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

Ultra bad Wheels times aside, the Mazda 3 SP23 is good for about 7.8 seconds and can go down the 1/4 mile in about 15.5 seconds.

Are you talking about auto or manual?

Keepleft · 13-08-2007, 06:05 AM

23yo nephew has a late 2006 SP23, its clean and tidy, and goes 'okay' Zzzzzzz.

Planning a street race? See other threads.

McobraR · 13-08-2007, 08:48 AM

only mazda 3 u should be careful of is the MPS. pocket rockets them things are.

photn · 13-08-2007, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Keepleft

23yo nephew has a late 2006 SP23, its clean and tidy, and goes 'okay' Zzzzzzz.

Planning a street race? See other threads.

i believe they intend on taking it to the Drag strip

2fishingdogs · 13-08-2007, 09:23 AM

What going out to Willowbank on Saturday

13-08-2007, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

Ultra bad Wheels times aside, the Mazda 3 SP23 is good for about 7.8 seconds and can go down the 1/4 mile in about 15.5 seconds.

So... a stock BA XR6 will beat one comfortabley. Lightly modded, will beat it with ease.

For the manual yes, but the quoted times are for the auto which is what his mate has

falzoony · 13-08-2007, 09:52 AM

15.5? well if they can do that, thats pretty quick, much quicker then I thought. I think in one Wheels a few months back, the BF xr6 runs a 15.5.
What size motors are they running these days?

Sam_Boss260 · 13-08-2007, 10:34 AM

See at Willowbank on Saturday Nathan...... just don't tell the missus.

UNR8D · 13-08-2007, 10:38 AM

they are a 2.3 4 cyl with about 125kw at the fly but they are fairly light and do have good gear ratio's which helps out, if it was an MPS you would want a moded XRT or typhoon to have a go esp if you were doing roll ons. :O track of course.

13-08-2007, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by falzoony

15.5? well if they can do that, thats pretty quick, much quicker then I thought. I think in one Wheels a few months back, the BF xr6 runs a 15.5.
What size motors are they running these days?

2.3L VCT 4cyl 123kw or so.

Same family engine as the Focus 2.0 and the Fiesta XR4.
My virgin run at WSID got me 16.2 with 107kw in the Focus, with the right launch theres definatly a 16.0.

**PepeLePew** · 13-08-2007, 10:51 AM

Interesting drive in manual form. Flexible and surprisingly torquey. The ONLY N/A small cheap(ish) car that made my shortlist last time I changed over...

I'd like to see the manuals go head to head unmodded, it'd be interesting.

Steffo · 13-08-2007, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackLS

For the manual yes, but the quoted times are for the auto which is what his mate has

And the autobox won't take 14.3% off the 0-100km/h time and 7.2% off the 1/4 mile time.

13-08-2007, 04:42 PM

True, I think Wheels test with 2 journos, no loading up the torque converter/4000rpm launches etc.

The mechanics of the auto does sap power and if its a 4sp, having less gear ratios makes power delivery not as efficient as it could be either.

XR8-260 · 13-08-2007, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

And the autobox won't take 14.3% off the 0-100km/h time and 7.2% off the 1/4 mile time.

True. There isn't much difference between auto and manual times in big engined cars like the falcon. But with small cars with no torque, the straight line performance difference is much more noticeable.

Ives · 13-08-2007, 04:48 PM

Speaking of straight line, why only a straightline battle?

13-08-2007, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Ives

Speaking of straight line, why only a straightline battle?

Too true. Depending on both drivers it can be a close battle. The torque of the Falcon vs nimbleness of the 3

Steffo · 13-08-2007, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 3

True. There isn't much difference between auto and manual times in big engined cars like the falcon. But with small cars with no torque, the straight line performance difference is much more noticeable.

While that is true, it only is to a certain point. Modern automatics do not behave like autos of old and are far more efficient. And in many cases, faster then their manual counterparts.

The difference between an auto Mazda 3 and manual one would not be very big at all. I know it isn't in our Golf 2.0 FSI 6sp auto against the 6sp manual version. In fact, the auto feels (and is tested to be I believe) faster. And its an FSI, so its an automatic, not a DSG.

I've also driven an auto and manual LS Focus CL and they seem to be about on par with each other (4sp auto and 5sp manual) - and the Focus shares all of its drivetrain with the 3.

XR8-260 · 13-08-2007, 05:16 PM

You're saying that a 4spd auto SP23 will run a 15.5 second 1/4 mile, and that an auto XR6 will easily beat it? That may be possible, but I haven't seen a stock auto BA XR6 run any better than a 15.4 (XRCIST). A few have run flat 15s with a few mods like CAI and underdrives though.

Creampuff · 13-08-2007, 05:32 PM

just goes to show that my inquiry is not as silly as first suggested...thanks everyone for the input

Steffo · 13-08-2007, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 3

You're saying that a 4spd auto SP23 will run a 15.5 second 1/4 mile, and that an auto XR6 will easily beat it? That may be possible, but I haven't seen a stock auto BA XR6 run any better than a 15.4 (XRCIST). A few have run flat 15s with a few mods like CAI and underdrives though.

Even in the event that a stock XR6 is capable of no better then 15.4, a one tenth lead is an easy victory and quite a convincing lead if you've ever been to a drag strip and seen the difference one tenth can and does make.

sleekism · 13-08-2007, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by wikipedia

[edit] Acceleration
The 0 to 60 mph or 0 to 100 km/h acceleration times depend on the type of transmission. In general, the manual transmission is faster in acceleration (not just because it is lighter in weight, but for the relative inefficiency of the torque converter in the automatic compared to the clutch in the manual).

Official performance figures for the European Mazda3 1.4 S, the lowest-powered model, are 0-100 km/h in 14.3 seconds, with a maximum speed of 170 km/h (106 mph). Wheels magazine reported a 8.7 0-100km/h time for the Australian 2.0 model in its May 2004 issue. The 1.6 CiTD 80 KW (as sold in the Europe) with a five-speed manual does 100 km/h in 11.6 seconds and has top of 182 km/h (113 mph) according to the spec's.

In its test results for the 2004 Mazda3 5-door with the 2.3 litre engine, Car and Driver magazine reported a 0-60 mph (0-97 km/h) acceleration time of 7.4 seconds and a governor-limited top speed of 190 km/h (118 mph).

Against an auto SP23 you are likely to put them back in their place but against a manual it would be very interesting.

What would be a real test is to put 4 other people in each car as that will be a real test as extra people in a Falcon makes a much smaller difference.

7.4 is pretty quick for the little Mazda and puts my Fairmonts 8.1 to shame but truth be told racing up mountains the Fairmont I daresay would beat the Mazda.

Both modified with the same budget the Mazda wouldn't stand a chance, simple mechanics as a larger capacity engine will produce more power cheaper.

XR8-260 · 13-08-2007, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

Even in the event that a stock XR6 is capable of no better then 15.4, a one tenth lead is an easy victory and quite a convincing lead if you've ever been to a drag strip and seen the difference one tenth can and does make.

Either way, my point was that an auto XR6 would easily account for an auto SP23. I just don't expect a 4spd auto SP23 to run any better than a 16.5. It would be interesting to see the results when Creampuff races his friend.