who runs a spool?

EBFalcs · 23-09-2007, 06:35 PM

i was just wondering how many people on the ford forums run one, because there is a lot of people with them on the commodore forums.

boss-290 · 23-09-2007, 06:36 PM

Even if people did, I'd hardly think they'd be raving about it on public forums.

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Walkinshaw · 23-09-2007, 06:39 PM

Spool for anything but all out track work where it is required for either setup or regulations (or 110% burnout car) is utterly stupid.

EBFalcs · 23-09-2007, 06:40 PM

why not, as if the cops are gonna suss em all out on the forum, then go find them and defect them.

TWOJZ · 23-09-2007, 06:41 PM

what are we talking about here? lol

EBFalcs · 23-09-2007, 06:43 PM

mini spools, they work the same as welding a diff up except you pull all the gears out that usually get welded and replace them with a solid cylinder with splines called a mini spool.

boss-290 · 23-09-2007, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TWOJZ

what are we talking about here? lol

These days its hard to tell...

What, with my generation and their "Hoo runz a spoolz in there carz lolz!!"

Barry_v · 23-09-2007, 06:45 PM

you'll be breaking many axles if you're not sensible, and who puts a spool in to be sensible?

EBFalcs · 23-09-2007, 06:50 PM

iv'e heard the 28 spline BW axels are fairly tough, it's only the old 25 spline ones that used to break all the time.

DoreSlamR · 23-09-2007, 06:53 PM

my mums embroidery machine runs 4 spoolZ lolz

Jeeepers · 23-09-2007, 06:54 PM

Only spool I want or need is when my turbo cranks up. Mini spools are for Commodore drivers, boy racers and anyone into pointless mods.

Jeeepers · 23-09-2007, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DoreSlamR

my mums embroidery machine runs 4 spoolZ lolz

Bwahahahahaha

RIPGMH · 23-09-2007, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BigKevXR6T

Only spool I want or need is when my turbo cranks up. Mini spools are for Commodore drivers, boy racers and anyone into pointless mods.

So you've run a spool in a street car I take it?

Interceptor · 23-09-2007, 07:13 PM

man i'd love to say something here....... shame i'd get banned though

RIPGMH · 23-09-2007, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Interceptor

man i'd love to say something here....... shame i'd get banned though

Don't let fear hold you back

TEaaron · 23-09-2007, 07:30 PM

What's so bad about spools?

I've driven 5L commo's with spools and they're not all that bad just the noises when you're parking.

I would put a spool in mine if it wasn't for insurance reasons.

prydey · 23-09-2007, 07:36 PM

i took the spool out of mine because it was chewing through tyres too quick and was a bit of a pain in a daily driver, otherwise it would still be there. great for traction.

i didn't find it dangerous at all. i think the most dangerous device in most cars is the one hanging on to the steering wheel.

EBFalcs · 23-09-2007, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

i didn't find it dangerous at all. i think the most dangerous device in most cars is the one hanging on to the steering wheel.

exactly, and that applys to alot of things in this world, it's not the object it's the person in control of it.

nugget378 · 23-09-2007, 07:43 PM

They are a nightmare to live with,try pushing a car anywhere with one,you need at least 5 people,but they are about the only affordable choice for engines approaching 600hp that are fit and forget,Im talkin a full spool too,a mini spool is a POS,stuffs me why you would put one in an average road car that can barely loose traction in the wet..

GS608 · 23-09-2007, 07:53 PM

i know this is probably a really stupid question but..

what is a 'spool'

**Falcon Coupe** · 23-09-2007, 07:55 PM

Any type of spool is illegal (read no insurance cover ) on the road, with LSD and Detroit Lockers they are not needed anyway.

trick_xd · 23-09-2007, 08:22 PM

Well I don't have 600hp and
I don't have a L.S.D. or a Detroit Locker...

But I do have 4.11 diff and a spool 28spline

I do drive my car everyday and I drive it along the G.O.R. a lot as I have to work down that way now.

Yes it is not very good to have in the car as it wears the inside tyre that your turning.
In the wet ... Yes be very careful or you will come unstuck.

The thing I find the most (having the spool in for the last 12 mths Nealy) is that if you forget about it then you will come unstuck really quick ...
Always remember that the car is boss and you take it easy every time and you will be ok .

as for racing .. I went from 2.9s = 60foot and 9.8s = 660foot with my stuffed lsd(basic single spin most times) to 2.0s= 60foot and 8.6s=660foot
So yes for the price of a spool you will pick up some time on the track.

347_XR8 · 23-09-2007, 08:27 PM

I will be running a spool due to them being alot cheaper then a Mechanical 2-Way and alot more reliable the a run of the mill LSD (they wear out when giving a thrashing)...However my car will be setup for alot of track work (drift,drag and sprints)

SupahStah · 23-09-2007, 10:04 PM

use to run it in my ed fairmont (street driven).. , just the mini spool .. and if you like sideways and "full hectik" wheel skipping, i'd recommend it to anyone.

easy to kick sideways in the dry too, so i found out -- a few times actually!

TeamQldRacing · 24-09-2007, 09:17 AM

We ran standard lsd in our BF's at Bathurst in the 12 hour '07, the only place we lost traction was in the cutting and drivers were able to handle that with the better handling through the rest of the circuit, spool will tend to push you straight ahead at every opportunity(like a tractor), which can become interesting in places like the dipper if the turbo spools up when you go to punch it out of a corner. Having said that we will be running full spools in '08 and will be interested in the difference in track times.
cheers

Dauphin · 24-09-2007, 01:46 PM

I was curious about what this is as well, so here is an explanation from a website:

Spools & Mini Spools:
For racing, serious off-road, or crazy hot-rodders, a spool is the ultimate traction differential. Actually, it can hardly be called a differential because it does not differentiate. Spools have several purposes. First, they lock both left and right axles solid together so that there can be no loss of power due one wheel spinning faster than the other. Second, they usually support the ring gear much better than most other differentials. Last, they can be lighter than a differential, which saves rotating mass as well as un-sprung weight that the suspension has to contain.

The main shortcoming of spools is the fact that the outside wheel has to turn faster when negotiating a turn if both wheels are to maintain traction. If the axles are locked together, one or both wheels have to slip in order for the outside wheel to travel farther than the inside wheel. This can cause the rear of the vehicle to spin out, fish-tale, or can cause a lot of noise that sounds like positraction clutch chatter as the axles twist and release. Sometimes these effects are not all that bad, and they are less severe when 35-spline or larger axles are used. For those people on a budget, there are mini-spools available for many rearend designs.

A mini-spool fits inside the standard open carrier, replacing the spider gears, and locking the left and right axle shafts together just like a spool does. A mini spool drives exactly like a full spool does, but they are not as strong as a full spool and do not add any extra support to the ring gear like a spool does.

From here:
http://www.offroaders.com/tech/limit...ferentials.htm

Jeeepers · 24-09-2007, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RIPGMH

So you've run a spool in a street car I take it?

Before they were available or should I say cool? And when I was naive. I had my diff welded. Made for interesting driving in the wet I can tell you. I now have LSD, and no traction problems above what my power level gives. So in answer to your question, no. You are obviously in favour of them, and I have no problem with that. I see no point to them, and they are illegal. It's all about whatever floats your boat and personal opinion. My son is avid Commodore, and that is his choice. I listen to him talk of who has mini spools in his circle, he even remarks that when I turn in shiny cement car parks, mine sounds like it's got a mini spool. LOL

noosacuda · 24-09-2007, 03:12 PM

i had a 390 Galaxie with a broken 9" and locked the wheels like a spool and it was very scarey to drive in Noosa (the land of round-abouts) even in the dry. (i have raced speedway for a few years so sideways doesn't usually scare me,but on the road it did)

brenx · 24-09-2007, 03:12 PM

If you want stronger than LSD? Go a detroit locker or Trutrac. They run them in Nascar without an issue. I've recently fitted one to my car and the characteristics are similar to a spool. It makes driving in the wet interesting. Especially when you gently accelerate and the diff locks up (as it requires you to add power to do so). I like the LSD better but they don't last like detroit lockers.

The difference between a spool and a detroit locker for my car was $700 spool centre (illegal for street use but usable) and $2000 detroit locker centre (legal on the street).

merlin · 24-09-2007, 03:37 PM

So a spool is designed to give you more traction but results in your car driving sideways? Of course this makes perfect sense...

Is this an eighties thing or something, because I'm not getting it!