Crash driver's licence had been disqualified until 2030

sprint347dave · 05-06-2013, 11:58 PM

THE driver of the car that crashed into a parked car killing two children and an adult at Dyraaba yesterday had been banned from holding a licence until 2030, police have revealed.

The driver, a 36-year-old Kyogle man, is tonight in police custody after being charged with driving while disqualified and is expected to face Lismore Local Court in the morning.

Shaun Zagar, 28, and his children Kaleb, 6, and Zara, 5, were killed yesterday morning when a Magna sedan driven by the man crashed into their car as they waited by the side of the road for the school bus.

A 3-year-old girl from the Magna had to be flown to Lismore Base Hospital with multiple fractures while her father and 4-year-old brother were taken to the hospital by road ambulance.

Police said Crash Investigation Unit officers investigating the crash discovered the Kyogle man's licence had been suspended and arrested him at his home this morning

**Revolver** · 06-06-2013, 12:01 AM

Jeez.

Death penalty material right there. No parent should outlive their child. Let alone 2. Let alone have them stolen by something that had no reasoning to begin with.

Throw the book at him. Then the library. All four walls, roof and slab. There is no excuse for this.

mik · 06-06-2013, 12:36 AM

This bloke is going to have to live with killing these people for the rest of his life, I don't think the book will mattter to much.

BHDOGS · 06-06-2013, 01:31 AM

yes mik clearly other people is this persons first worry **** his guilt and hang him from the highest yard arm.

Trump · 06-06-2013, 07:27 AM

Is this the same muppet that was mentioned in that Falcon I6 thread that has mysteriously vanished?

bobthebilda · 06-06-2013, 07:44 AM

People make mistakes every day in their lives whilst driving, thats why they are called "accidents", and you can sometimes understand why when people have "accidents" and kill someone else, then they shouldnt be going to jail. But if someone kills someone after getting in a car (after being banned for driving until 2030), then it should be treated as nothing less than murder.

**buggerlugs** · 06-06-2013, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by mik

This bloke is going to have to live with killing these people for the rest of his life, I don't think the book will mattter to much.

Sounds like it wont bother him either, obviously has disregard for the law. Only hope is that he shares his cell with "Bubba"...........

OwnTheRoad · 06-06-2013, 07:51 AM

Child killers are not very well received in jail , sadly they aren't allowed to play with the other inmates .

fgtpsi · 06-06-2013, 08:12 AM

So how does this guy get this,yet the bloke that killed 6 teens in mildura gets released from jail after 7 years and only gets 'banned' from entering mildura,yet can still drive.

Our justice system is up the creek.

mik · 06-06-2013, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by fgtpsi

So how does this guy get this,yet the bloke that killed 6 teens in mildura gets released from jail after 7 years and only gets 'banned' from entering mildura,yet can still drive.

Our justice system is up the creek.

i saw that , wondering the same thing myself, and i agree justice system is hard to work out.

Trump · 06-06-2013, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by bobthebilda

People make mistakes every day in their lives whilst driving, thats why they are called "accidents", and you can sometimes understand why when people have "accidents" and kill someone else, then they shouldnt be going to jail. But if someone kills someone after getting in a car (after being banned for driving until 2030), then it should be treated as nothing less than murder.

This bloke's attitude on the road would exist irrespective of if he did or didn't have legal sanction to drive.

b0son · 06-06-2013, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mik

This bloke is going to have to live with killing these people for the rest of his life

This line of thinking infuriates me. Who cares how he feels about it? All that matters is how the family feels about it.

The knowledge of what you've done is not a punishment, its a consequence. I cant belive that the judiciary with all their supposed intellect keeps confusing the two.

monte.b · 07-06-2013, 09:07 PM

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This line of thinking infuriates me. Who cares how he feels about it? All that matters is how the family feels about it.

The knowledge of what you've done is not a punishment, its a consequence. I cant belive that the judiciary with all their supposed intellect keeps confusing the two.

Very well put ,i totally agree

Rodp · 08-06-2013, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by sprint347dave

THE driver of the car that crashed into a parked car killing two children and an adult at Dyraaba yesterday had been banned from holding a licence until 2030, police have revealed.

Given that he doesn't seem to care about driving without one, I hope he's been banned from holding a licence that long because that'll be roughly when he's released from jail!

H.G · 08-06-2013, 08:53 AM

The guy your all lynching happens to be a close friend of mine,we went to school together, his family is my second family.. while I don't condone what he has done, and agree he deserves everything coming, his little girl is in hospital in a bad way as well, going by these posts maybe his children should die too just so there is an even playing field.. He has 3 children of his own, whilst his action show blatant disregard for for prior punishment, he was a good father himself. He has had the sit his eldest boy down and he explained to him exactly what he had done..right before the police took him away. His father was driving along that road to see the carnage and his son and grandkids as well as the other victims being put into ambulances, he was told nothing, just to wait by he phone. His family, his friends, the entire community the deceased and extended families have all been affected.so even though anger fuelled kill em all comments are easy to make, spare a thought for all the innocent people being punished directly and indirectly. In this situation a punishment far worse than death is living with the guilt and pain he has caused so many.. I know him not only by how he media describe him but from childhood. I know his good traits as well.. But that being said, I am not trying to excuse his actions. I'd probably jump on your bandwagon too had I not been so closely linked.. I wish I never got to see this side of such a tragedy. Rather than lynch and giving attention to the negative aspects I'd ask people focus their attention on the families destroyed by this one persons stupid and inexcusable actions.

Kable72 · 08-06-2013, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BHDOGS

yes mik clearly other people is this persons first worry **** his guilt and hang him from the highest yard arm.

His consience will be a bigger prison than any you would throw him into. He will most likely take his punishment into his own hands. Always seems to be when something like this happens. I know I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I killed a couple kids in an accident, my fault or not.

mike_nofx · 08-06-2013, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by H.G

The guy your all lynching happens to be a close friend of mine,we went to school together, his family is my second family.. while I don't condone what he has done, and agree he deserves everything coming, his little girl is in hospital in a bad way as well, going by these posts maybe his children should die too just so there is an even playing field.. He has 3 children of his own, whilst his action show blatant disregard for for prior punishment, he was a good father himself. He has had the sit his eldest boy down and he explained to him exactly what he had done..right before the police took him away. His father was driving along that road to see the carnage and his son and grandkids as well as the other victims being put into ambulances, he was told nothing, just to wait by he phone. His family, his friends, the entire community the deceased and extended families have all been affected.so even though anger fuelled kill em all comments are easy to make, spare a thought for all the innocent people being punished directly and indirectly. In this situation a punishment far worse than death is living with the guilt and pain he has caused so many.. I know him not only by how he media describe him but from childhood. I know his good traits as well.. But that being said, I am not trying to excuse his actions. I'd probably jump on your bandwagon too had I not been so closely linked.. I wish I never got to see this side of such a tragedy. Rather than lynch and giving attention to the negative aspects I'd ask people focus their attention on the families destroyed by this one persons stupid and inexcusable actions.

Don't agree with how you're trying to turn him into one of the victims. No one here has even hinted at his own family deserving punishment, just that he does.

Most people have issues at home, sick family members etc, its not a excuse to give leniency. In fact, its more reason NOT to do reckless things than a man with no family or responsibilities.

nstg8a · 08-06-2013, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by H.G

The guy your all lynching happens to be a close friend of mine,we went to school together, his family is my second family.. while I don't condone what he has done, and agree he deserves everything coming, his little girl is in hospital in a bad way as well, going by these posts maybe his children should die too just so there is an even playing field.. He has 3 children of his own, whilst his action show blatant disregard for for prior punishment, he was a good father himself. He has had the sit his eldest boy down and he explained to him exactly what he had done..right before the police took him away. His father was driving along that road to see the carnage and his son and grandkids as well as the other victims being put into ambulances, he was told nothing, just to wait by he phone. His family, his friends, the entire community the deceased and extended families have all been affected.so even though anger fuelled kill em all comments are easy to make, spare a thought for all the innocent people being punished directly and indirectly. In this situation a punishment far worse than death is living with the guilt and pain he has caused so many.. I know him not only by how he media describe him but from childhood. I know his good traits as well.. But that being said, I am not trying to excuse his actions. I'd probably jump on your bandwagon too had I not been so closely linked.. I wish I never got to see this side of such a tragedy. Rather than lynch and giving attention to the negative aspects I'd ask people focus their attention on the families destroyed by this one persons stupid and inexcusable actions.

So given you knew him so well, were you aware he was a suspended driver?
If so, then you deserve to be carrying that guilt as well.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

To be suspended for such an extensive term he must have a long and chequered history with the court system.

To me, it doesn't matter what good someone does, one act of insanity undoes all of that.

And being a serial offender, which has caused untold pain and heartache to others is not what I'd consider to be the markings of a good parent.

And my final point, this just shows what a pointless exercise it is handing out such long suspension periods, if your going to legally forbidden to drive for so long because you can't obey the was then what hope can there be the offender will abide by the disqualification?

If the crime suited such a disqualification then jail would have been a better option.

Ain't hindsight wonderful...

H.G · 08-06-2013, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by mike_nofx

Don't agree with how you're trying to turn him into one of the victims. No one here has even hinted at his own family deserving punishment, just that he does.

Most people have issues at home, sick family members etc, its not a excuse to give leniency. In fact, its more reason NOT to do reckless things than a man with no family or responsibilities.

Not my intention, I'm just pointing out that an eye for an eye only creates more victims.. There are enough already. You are right though, we all have issues, if you truly wish to blame anyone Blame the courts, they kept letting him go free.
So much for a last line of defence.

I'm not exactly sure how I should feel guilty for his actions when I have no control in what he does from day to day. I don't even live in the same state as him anymore. But thank you for demonstrating how anger effects logical thought. What I do feel is completely gutted and complete sadness for EVERYONE involved.this needn't happen ever.

KIWI-1 · 08-06-2013, 10:27 AM

I can't find the latest figures, but in 2005 police estimated there were 340,000 unlicensed drivers in Victoria. In 2004 7430 were caught driving after their licence was cancelled, suspended, or disqualified.

What should we do with them?

http://www.theage.com.au/news/nation...334263412.html

sprint347dave · 08-06-2013, 10:34 AM

turn off the morals and values for a short while,,,then turn them back on,,im sick of reading and hearing all the excuses,,an eye for and eye,,a tooth for a tooth,,let the victems family at him

pottery beige · 08-06-2013, 10:59 AM

needs too be slotted.. for a very long time...

Olbucko · 08-06-2013, 11:02 AM

What is the point in imposing longer and longer periods of disqualification on drivers who drive while disqualified, they will just keep driving. There should be a mandatory goal sentence for anybody that drives while disqualified, there is no excuse, and double the sentence if they have been drinking. At least they can't kill innocent people when they are inside.

The death and injury of innocent people costs more that the cost of keeping a scumbag locked up.

AC · 08-06-2013, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by nstg8a

To be suspended for such an extensive term he must have a long and chequered history with the court system.

Ch7 had his driving record on the news the other night.

You could say it's long and distinguished.

Apparently the man who died(Zagar), he was also a disqualified driver too, till November this year.
So neither one of them had the right to be on the road.

GTP534 · 08-06-2013, 11:22 AM

While everyone should take responsibility for their decisions and actions (the usual easy way out is to blame it on somebody else) the court system has to shoulder some of the blame here; this guy had a chequered history and has shown no respect for the law or anybody else. There's no way he should have been out on parole.

He must have been really flying to have pushed the other car so far in to the field; he had his child in the car with him. Obviously he has no regard for her well-being either.

KIWI-1 · 08-06-2013, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by GTP534

While everyone should take responsibility for their decisions and actions (the usual easy way out is to blame it on somebody else) the court system has to shoulder some of the blame here; this guy had a chequered history and has shown no respect for the law or anybody else. There's no way he should have been out on parole.

The court's only impose penalties, they don't make the laws, enforce the laws or grant parole. As others have said, the problem is total disregard of the law.

Whilst some may have concerns about privacy with number plate recognition, it will remove some of the millions (literally) who drive on Australian roads without rego or a licence.

FGII-XR6 · 08-06-2013, 12:03 PM

so true, the court should have taken him out of circulation long ago. I am making an assumption here but based on his lengthy disqualification does he have a history of drug and or alcohol abuse? if so where were the interventions that the courts and corrections should be implementing? I'm not saying this guy is blameless , far from it he has killed innocent people and deserves a lengthy sentences but the courts are full of revolving door prisoners who need help to overcome addiction this can reduce recidivism

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You are right though, we all have issues, if you truly wish to blame anyone Blame the courts, they kept letting him go free.
So much for a last line of defence.

XB GS 351 Coupe · 08-06-2013, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by H.G

He has 3 children of his own, whilst his action show blatant disregard for for prior punishment, he was a good father himself. He has had the sit his eldest boy down and he explained to him exactly what he had done..right before the police took him away.

You are kidding yourself right??

A good father does NOT put his kids in a car and drives while disqualified/suspended. If he was a good father he would not put his kids in that situation, his daughter is in hospital and another family is destroyed for ever because he is a grub.

I feel sorry for his kids that will have to live for the rest of their lives knowing what a low life their father was and what he did. And I feel sorry for his parents knowing what they have brought into the world.

I do not feel sorry for him at all, whatever punishment he gets it will not be enough, as he is a repeat offender that does not care in the least about his family/kids or anyone else for that matter as he has demonstrated again and again.

gcg2503 · 08-06-2013, 12:14 PM

This person was disqualified from driving till 2030.

Whether he has a Family/children or not, there must be a very lengthy jail sentence imposed. This person should not be allowed to roam with law abiding citizens.

The argument that his family/children will suffer infuriates me. He should not have been behind the wheel.

I can only imagine what you would have to do to have a licence suspended for nearly twenty years.

b0son · 08-06-2013, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by H.G

I know him not only by how he media describe him but from childhood. I know his good traits as well..

So where were you when this guy decided a disqualification didn't matter? Is it wrong to assume this wasnt the only time he drove? Is it wrong to assume people like yourself and other family/friends knew he was driving but turned a blind eye?

Everyone who enabled this clown should hang their heads in shame.