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Old 26-07-2006, 11:41 PM   #1
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Question Exact tare weight of an EF XR6 Sedan

Hi, was wondering if there is anyone with an ef xr6 sedan that can tall me what the stated tare weight of it is?

I'm trying to work out weather or not i'll exceed my GCM on my ute if i tow 1 of a car trailer.

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Old 26-07-2006, 11:56 PM   #2
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Hi, was wondering if there is anyone with an ef xr6 sedan that can tall me what the stated tare weight of it is?

I'm trying to work out weather or not i'll exceed my GCM on my ute if i tow 1 of a car trailer.

Thanks.
Mate, don't worry about the weight of the car and the car trailer combined exceeding your GCM. The wieght you have to worry about is the "Tow Ball Weight" which means the actual weight that is placed directly onto your tow ball.

A normal car trailer has tandem wheels and loaded evenly from front to rear, should be nicely balanced with minimal weight on your ball.

From memory I think you are allowed a tow ball weight of up to 10% of your tow bar capacity eg. if your ute has a 1600kg towing capacity tow bar then you can have up to 160kg weight on your tow ball without any problems of exceeding your GCM.
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Old 26-07-2006, 11:59 PM   #3
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kerb weight of the ef xr is 1640kg's from memory..
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Old 27-07-2006, 12:07 AM   #4
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Mate, don't worry about the weight of the car and the car trailer combined exceeding your GCM. The wieght you have to worry about is the "Tow Ball Weight" which means the actual weight that is placed directly onto your tow ball.

A normal car trailer has tandem wheels and loaded evenly from front to rear, should be nicely balanced with minimal weight on your ball.

From memory I think you are allowed a tow ball weight of up to 10% of your tow bar capacity eg. if your ute has a 1600kg towing capacity tow bar then you can have up to 160kg weight on your tow ball without any problems of exceeding your GCM.

Yeah it does matter from what i have been told. If the rated GCM on my ute is 3750kg, and i exceed that, as far as i'm aware i wont be covered by insurance if i had an accident. I'm going almost to sydney from geelong to pick it up so i'll be towing it a bit over 800ks with the car on. Locally i'll tow anything, but just making sure because of the distance.
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Old 27-07-2006, 12:08 AM   #5
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kerb weight of the ef xr is 1640kg's from memory..

Thanks for that.

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Old 27-07-2006, 12:24 AM   #6
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Yes but you're not carrying the weight of the car and trailer on your ute. The only weight you will be putting onto your ute is what is actually put on the tow ball. Think of it this way, look at the difference in weight at the coupling of a 6X4 trailer and the weight of the whole trailer. You can easily pick up the drawbar of a trailer and this is the actual weight that goes onto your towball and which gets added to you cars GCM.

If you exceed the 10% of your tow bar capacity then you will be in deep s**t if you have an accident, as then your insurance will wipe you, or if you get pulled over by the transport cops with weighing gear.

Just have a look at all the cars puling modern 20ft caravans that weigh much more than a car and trailer would. They wouldn't be doing this if it wasn't legal and ok with their insurance company.

If you are still ill at ease then I suggest you should ring the transport dep't in your state and get the correct information from them.
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Old 27-07-2006, 12:59 AM   #7
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Yes but you're not carrying the weight of the car and trailer on your ute. The only weight you will be putting onto your ute is what is actually put on the tow ball. Think of it this way, look at the difference in weight at the coupling of a 6X4 trailer and the weight of the whole trailer. You can easily pick up the drawbar of a trailer and this is the actual weight that goes onto your towball and which gets added to you cars GCM.

If you exceed the 10% of your tow bar capacity then you will be in deep s**t if you have an accident, as then your insurance will wipe you, or if you get pulled over by the transport cops with weighing gear.

Just have a look at all the cars puling modern 20ft caravans that weigh much more than a car and trailer would. They wouldn't be doing this if it wasn't legal and ok with their insurance company.

If you are still ill at ease then I suggest you should ring the transport dep't in your state and get the correct information from them.


You're getting the GVM (gross vehicle mass) and GCM (gross carrying mass) confused.

The GVM is made up by the ker weight of the vehicle, plus the maximum allowed payload. In the case of my BA XR6 ute, the kerb weight is 1730kg, payload is 550, making the max GVM 2280kg

The GCM is the arried at by working out the GVM, plus the rated max towing capacity, minus the tow ball weight, which comes to 3360 in my ute. But, if my ute was an auto, it raises the rated GCM to 3720.

So Basically i know the ute will safely tow 3720, just i'm risking damage to the clutch and gearbox. Which i'm not fussed about.

The GCM is different for every model of car. Eg if i had a base model XL with an auto and 1 tonne suspension, the rated GCM is 4242kg due to the stronger setup.

And most 20ft caravans weigh less than 2 tonnes, meaning even i could tow 1.

I'm not worried about being pulled over and weighed, or being put on a weighbridge. It's for the sake that if i had an accident, the assessor is going to look at the fact that i have a car with a GCM of 3360, and it weighs 1730, plus whatever is in the back, then the compliance plate on the trailer says it weighs 600kg, and the car on the trailer weighs 1640, that makes a total GCM of 3970. Meaning no pay out on the claim if i had an accident! The manufacturer sets these numbers for a reason. Each number is a capacity!

So if i had an accident and was way over my GCM it would cost me my ute say 26k, car trailer about 5k, and the car thats on it 5k. So thats $36,000 worth of risk. Which makes the cost of getting a car freighted down a little cheaper in comparison if the worst case were to happen.

Its not an issue of weather or not the car can tow it, i towed just over 3 tonnes of crused rock and tri axle trailer home the other night, but i wouldnt do it from sydney to geelong.

So as i've established that it'll be over my GCM i'll just tale my oldies 100 series cruiser and have no problems. Its got a GCM of just under 7 tonnes!
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So as i've established that it'll be over my GCM i'll just tale my oldies 100 series cruiser and have no problems. Its got a GCM of just under 7 tonnes!
Take the cruiser, i drove my old man's sahara down to vic to pick up my xr8 when it was finished and bought it home. Sat on 13ok's most of the way home and got back in about 7 1/2 hour's. I drove down bobtail and rented a trailer down there and was able to drop it off up here.

Where you getting the car from, might pay to do that.
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Take the cruiser, i drove my old man's sahara down to vic to pick up my xr8 when it was finished and bought it home. Sat on 13ok's most of the way home and got back in about 7 1/2 hour's. I drove down bobtail and rented a trailer down there and was able to drop it off up here.

Where you getting the car from, might pay to do that.
Car is coming from Bowral. Got a car trailer so no need to hire.

Hoping i can scam the cruiser, its bull crap how effortlessly it tows. Pulled 4 tonnes of hay about 200ks with it not long ago. barely know its there!

Fingers crossed

Hey just for interests sake, how much was it to run the car trailer 1 way? Do they charge extra because you are only going 1 way with it?
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Car is coming from Bowral. Got a car trailer so no need to hire.

Hoping i can scam the cruiser, its bull crap how effortlessly it tows. Pulled 4 tonnes of hay about 200ks with it not long ago. barely know its there!

Fingers crossed

Hey just for interests sake, how much was it to run the car trailer 1 way? Do they charge extra because you are only going 1 way with it?
Yea the trailer i towed was huge + my 19ookg ba and it towed it quite well once i got the balance right. Thats about an hour from me and about 2 from the city.

I booked it for 3 days and it was about $25o although i drove straight home and dropped it back the next day, the guy was fininshing up the wiring when i picked it up so it was brand spanking new. It's a one way fee as they have depo's in syd, melb and bris and run them in between, U Haul Trailer's were in Ferntree gully. Saves pulling a empty car trailer 8 hour's, esp seeing as they are 2.4m wide and you really need to know where it is on the road at all times.
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Old 27-07-2006, 05:47 PM   #11
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kerb weight of the ef xr is 1640kg's from memory..
That,s a heavy car.Wonder what it would be like to drive at 1320kgs. It would knock 2 secs off the 1/4 mile.ha ha.
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Old 27-07-2006, 10:17 PM   #12
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Yea the trailer i towed was huge + my 19ookg ba and it towed it quite well once i got the balance right. Thats about an hour from me and about 2 from the city.

I booked it for 3 days and it was about $25o although i drove straight home and dropped it back the next day, the guy was fininshing up the wiring when i picked it up so it was brand spanking new. It's a one way fee as they have depo's in syd, melb and bris and run them in between, U Haul Trailer's were in Ferntree gully. Saves pulling a empty car trailer 8 hour's, esp seeing as they are 2.4m wide and you really need to know where it is on the road at all times.
I live about 40k's out the other side of geelong, so it'd be a 4 + hour return trip for me to drop it off in ferntree gully when i got the car home. Plus i'd have to head into sydney to pick 1 up. Plus say $170 - $180 for trailer hire. Not worth the hassle for me when i've got a car trailer anyway. I don't mind towing, don't even notice it when its empty. Just gotta be a bit more alert when its loaded.
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I live about 40k's out the other side of geelong, so it'd be a 4 + hour return trip for me to drop it off in ferntree gully when i got the car home. Plus i'd have to head into sydney to pick 1 up. Plus say $170 - $180 for trailer hire. Not worth the hassle for me when i've got a car trailer anyway. I don't mind towing, don't even notice it when its empty. Just gotta be a bit more alert when its loaded.
And i wasn't happy i had to drive past campbellfield where my car was to pick it up and drive all the way back.
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kerb weight of the ef xr is 1640kg's from memory..
That can't be right. My EL Ghia V8 is supposed to weigh that. I would've thought a EF XR6 would be closer to 1550?
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Old 28-07-2006, 06:15 PM   #15
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That can't be right. My EL Ghia V8 is supposed to weigh that. I would've thought a EF XR6 would be closer to 1550?
the differrenc between the engines is only about 25kg or less. The XR6 will have most of the things that add weight to yours anyway.
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