(Crazed) man rams "street racers"

lv619 · 20-02-2005, 12:15 AM

Alot of you would have seen this in the news lately about some nut who is a care taker for a factory in an industrial estate, how he was "fed up" with all of the street racers etc causing havoc where he lives, so he decided to take the law into his own hands and execute his own form of retribution. Article on the matter here:

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Man rams two illegal street racers
February 18, 2005 - 10:57AM

A man who rammed two cars in Melbourne claims he was forced to take the law into his own hands after being shot at and terrorised by a group of illegal street racers.

The 62-year-old man, who did not want to be identified, said street racers had used the area as a racing strip for weeks and set cars alight, and an out-of-control car had killed one of his dogs.

The man, who is the permanent caretaker of an industrial estate in Kirkham Road in suburban West Keysborough, and lives in a caravan on site, said he would call police but the culprits always seemed to get away.

He said last night he'd had enough and took matters into his own hands and rammed his Dodge tray truck into two of the offending cars.

"They get here all the time and these blokes seem to get away before police get here so I was determined that there was going to be somebody when the police did get here," he told radio 3AW.

"I was going to disable the cars so they'd be still sitting there when the police came and that's what I did.
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"When the police arrived I was talking back on 000 then, I'd rung them up and I'd told 000 what I'd done.

"I said the police car is there now and I'm going to walk down and surrender myself.

"I took the law into my own hands."

Police said they were called to Kirkham Road shortly after 11pm (AEDT) following reports a Holden Commodore sedan and a Ford sedan had been rammed as they sat stationary on the side of the road.

The Holden vehicle sustained extensive damage and is likely to be written off as a result.

Neither drivers nor occupants received any injuries, but both vehicles were towed from the scene.

The truck driver is expected to be charged on summons with conduct likely to cause serious injury, driving in a manner dangerous and other traffic offences.

- AAP

Now heres a perspective from one of the "illegal racers" who were actually their that night...

Intresting to say the least.

**Full Noise** · 20-02-2005, 01:03 AM

Hmmmmm, interesting.
I like the way the early morning radio reports say that a truck driver rammed two cars, never let the truth get in the way of a good story. He’s just some geriatric old pr**k who just happened to have an old Dodge tray truck. Why don’t the say a crazed caretaker hit two cars with a tray truck instead casting aspersions on the transport industry as a whole.

Cheers, Danny

**Peuty** · 20-02-2005, 01:11 AM

INteresting indeed. I wonder what will become of this?

paul7v7 · 20-02-2005, 01:13 AM

ahh my old neighbourhood. First off I think i have every right to jump to conclusion that a lot of those alleged hoons are in actual fact hoons. The street they are on is an industrial site so really what were they doing there at that time other than racing?
There is only one way into the street. So they knew what they were doing.

I am not defending what the truck driver did, prob he should have taken their number plates down and contacted the cops.
I guess like many others he is just sick and tired of those utter d&ck stains and the fact nothing gets done by the law enforcements about it. usually just a slap on the wrist.

Maybe now the cops will do something about this street racing. Harsher penalties are needed. 1st offence stuff the warning, take the bloody car. Second time sell it. If they haven't learnt by then they never will.

**Full Noise** · 20-02-2005, 01:29 AM

I agree with what you’re saying about them being hoons and knowing exactly what they’re doing. Unfortunately these days you just have to take the legal way when you need to fix a problem like this, as the alternative is just too expensive. Unless there is an total absence if witnesses, then it’s gloves off.

Cheers, Danny

Cheahman · 20-02-2005, 01:35 AM

That guy on that supra forum is more than likely just talking rubbish. Their all the same those types of people, ya hear them brag about dragging and running a muck and then when things go bad they act all innocent etc.

But I dont condone what that old bloke did because he could have killed them.

**Full Noise** · 20-02-2005, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheahman

That guy on that supra forum is more than likely just talking ***t. Their all the same those types of people, ya hear them brag about dragging and running a muck and then when the s*** hits the fan they act all innocent etc.

But I dont condone what that old bloke did because he could have killed them.

The language that this particular person used on a public forum doesn’t do a lot for his credibility either.

paul7v7 · 20-02-2005, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

I agree with what you’re saying about them being hoons and knowing exactly what they’re doing. Unfortunately these days you just have to take the legal way when you need to fix a problem like this, as the alternative is just too expensive. Unless there is an total absence if witnesses, then it’s gloves off.

Cheers, Danny

i agree with what you say.
The worst thing is i went to the supra forum and they act as if they are all innocent and the victim. BAH, something like this was bound to happen and i am sure a lot of other drivers are gonna get sick of these smacktards street racing and take the law into their own hands. I have heard all the excuses such we dont have anywhere to race close to us, etc, etc. Well Calder and Heathcote don't require a plane ticket to get to and in any case it is no excuse for acting like idiots on the road.

I like to drive fast but unlike some i use a process called thinking. I think hmm drive for an hr - 2hrs to Heathcote where i can race legally, drive as fast as i want, still have my car in one piece and my life; or do it on the road, end up smashing the car, killing someone or getting pulled over by the cops. That process takes all of a second (yep i am slow) to decide that Heathcote is the better option.

Sure they could build a track here in the eastern states but will it help to reduce the street racers?

loxxr6 · 20-02-2005, 02:14 AM

If tracks were open more frequently it may help.

I know for me with the hours I work I can't make it to WSID easily. Surely there's a demand for more than one or two days a week for the drags....

However I don't believe that this should be any excuse to have illegal runs on the street. Its just stupid.

MRJUCY · 20-02-2005, 03:04 AM

I couldn't care less if they were racing or not the old codger should be locked up for a very long time he could have quite easily killed those kids.

Rodp · 20-02-2005, 08:15 AM

Geez, the ricers accidently left off selling girl scout cookies and helping little old ladies across the road when the madman came and attacked them for doing no harm.

Ghiadude · 20-02-2005, 08:53 AM

Street racers or not....taking the law into his own hands , especially the way he did is very very WRONG on so many levels its not funny. If everyone in society decided to ram cars when they were "fed up" their would be chaos. As for the street racers, its been happening since jesus was a boy. what makes you think this will stop them ????

Work Horse · 20-02-2005, 09:25 AM

A point only mentioned in passing on one news story I saw, is the real story. The eldery man involved suffers mental health problems. While this is no excuse for what he did, mental health problems kill way more people than P-platers or street racing. Mental health is one of the biggest problem we face and effects so many more people than street racing or P-platers. But I have to admit it's no where near as sexy, and will not sell newspapers or advertisments for McDonalds.

MrSparkle · 20-02-2005, 09:46 AM

That old guy is exactly what I'm gonna be like when I get to that age.

Gammaboy · 20-02-2005, 01:23 PM

Anyone else notice that they'd gone there to mess around on the abandoned Go-Kart track mentioned?
better that then street racing.

Yaw · 20-02-2005, 01:33 PM

I am not defending what this guy did, that was wrong.
We all know full well however what these people were doing there.
So as we have heard from so many of you, lets have your answers to the problem of street racing ?

This could be quite interesting and probably should be a new thread but lets throw it out there.
Yaw

**Polyal** · 20-02-2005, 01:43 PM

jeez you guys are serious..I think its a classic!

Ok it was wrong, and his in the sh!t now, but god would I crack up if I saw it.

XplosiveR6 · 20-02-2005, 01:47 PM

the street racers diserved every thing they got, their fools and i would not believe a word they say, there is no excuse for racing on the street, these people have no respect for human life.
The guy in the truck got hassled so many times by the hoons and the police could not do anything about it so he craked it.

XRQTOR · 20-02-2005, 03:47 PM

The way i see it is that they were off roads where innocent people can be hurt, much rather street racing be done in an empty industrial park then on main roads with heaps of cars around. If it goes to shit everyone out there knows their not suppsoed to be there so you cant blame anyonw but yourself. But getting the shits and shunting cars around is just nuts, imagine if somone was killed. And i wonder how true it is about the old bugger taking pot shots with an air rifle.

I go to the runs all the time, every sat night out where i live there's atleast 2oo cars. On a long weekend or when it gets busy 5oo+ cars turnout. Thats just one area, there's others areas that have big meets but they attract to much attention and there's only a few ways in and out. Stupidity is not tolarated, no cars past the startline and no people. Other end of the street is always watched for oncoming traffic. Most dickheads are ****ed off quickly, im not trying to justifythe behaviour we all know its illegal. But there is a def problem that needs addressing rather quickly and it seems to be a country wide problem not just a specific location. All the coppers can do is pull up flash their lights and sirens and everyone cruisers off to the next location. They have new zero tolarance rules here in nsw where you can lose your car for certain periods for just watching, hows a hand full of coppers going to control 2oo cars with a dozen exit's. Thats where people get hurt and the coppers realize this, now they cruise the regular spots every night and it has slowed things down. At the least it ****ed all the dickheads off, not the true racers.

4.0i_SiX · 20-02-2005, 03:51 PM

The man, who is the permanent caretaker of an industrial estate in Kirkham Road in suburban West Keysborough, and lives in a caravan on site

So much for not being identified

XRQTOR · 20-02-2005, 03:55 PM

Street racing is a majour problem, it's not just ricers who do it. If it wasn't for the blokes who actually race at the creek street racing would be dangerous, it's not uncommen to see 1o-11 sec cars out. Their the ones who try and keep it organised and safe. Biggest problem is that wsidw is only open on a wensday, 90% of people who drive cars work which makes it near impossible to attend. They should have it open fri sat nights, charge $2o a head which would be more than ennough to cover fees. And when Wsidw is open you cant really pick who you want to race, ive seen 18 sec volvos lined up against 7 sec cars. Where's the fun in that, what's the point in that.

bartaxr8 · 20-02-2005, 04:08 PM

I work at Patterson Cheney ISUZU, which is a dealership that is located on Cheltenham Rd, but backs on to Kirkham Rd. I used to work night shift there (which was from 11.30 pm to 07.30 am). As I am a mechanic, part of my job was road testing the trucks that we had finished working on. I have lost count of the number of times that I saw young people flying up and down that road while I was trying to pull out of our driveway in a truck, which most of you will know, aren't the most fastest accelerating things out there. I used to pull out with nobody around me and before I knew it, I had 2 cars racing around the outside of me. I don't know if anybody picked it up but this "Tyrone" guy admitted that they had gone to the disused go-kart track. What he forgot to say was that when the owners left these premises, they had built a 8 foot high, chicken wire fence around the whole complex to stop people getting in. When I went down there the other day to have a look, I found that the two gates which allowed access through the fence, had been knocked down. I wonder who did this?????????????????????????
"Tyrone" also mentioned that they were only on a crappy dirt road, well this is the only way to get to and from the go-kart track. So who's to say that they weren't doing skids on the track and were just leaving down the dirt road when the truck rammed them??????????????
I don't agree with what the old bloke did, but I don't think that these kids are telling the truth.

RED_EL_XR8 · 20-02-2005, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by XRQTOR

Street racing is a majour problem, it's not just ricers who do it. If it wasn't for the blokes who actually race at the creek street racing would be dangerous, it's not uncommen to see 1o-11 sec cars out. Their the ones who try and keep it organised and safe. Biggest problem is that wsidw is only open on a wensday, 90% of people who drive cars work which makes it near impossible to attend. They should have it open fri sat nights, charge $2o a head which would be more than ennough to cover fees. And when Wsidw is open you cant really pick who you want to race, ive seen 18 sec volvos lined up against 7 sec cars. Where's the fun in that, what's the point in that.

You cant exactly blame WSID nor expect it to drop other events in favour of Street meets. But I do agree that access to legal well run facilities is limited. Whilst deep into the ordinary in comparison to the new WSID strip, there is still what was the old run at the adjacent race circuit.
A bit of enterprise and there is no reason both couldn't run simultaniously, on a given night, high times on the old strip, the stuff that qualifies then running on the WSID track. Setups of course are different but in noddy classes like street racing I dont think it would have an effect. But given the circuits have different owners and management and some and some massive egos at stake I doubt it would be able to happen, would make sense though with a lot of resources able to be shared.

And sadly some of the goons racing on public roads dont have the balls to put their cars on a strip and be judged in real time.
Gone are the day when you could sneak off to country road or industrial estate without the army of goons creating a menace.

3 nights a week my quiet cul-de-sac cops the menace of these would-be racers and just plains hoons after Aus-Tag. Its just a matter of respect and these guys dont have it for other people.
I dont condone the brain lapse from this caretaker guy but can see how he could be driven to such actions. And given no-one was hurt, I might just take time to smirk.

XRQTOR · 20-02-2005, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RED_EL_XR8

You cant exactly blame WSID nor expect it to drop other events in favour of Street meets. But I do agree that access to legal well run facilities is limited. Whilst deep into the ordinary in comparison to the new WSID strip, there is still what was the old run at the adjacent race circuit.
A bit of enterprise and there is no reason both couldn't run simultaniously, on a given night, high times on the old strip, the stuff that qualifies then running on the WSID track. Setups of course are different but in noddy classes like street racing I dont think it would have an effect. But given the circuits have different owners and management and some and some massive egos at stake I doubt it would be able to happen, would make sense though with a lot of resources able to be shared.

And sadly some of the goons racing on public roads dont have the balls to put their cars on a strip and be judged in real time.
Gone are the day when you could sneak off to country road or industrial estate without the army of goons creating a menace.

3 nights a week my quiet cul-de-sac cops the menace of these would-be racers and just plains hoons after Aus-Tag. Its just a matter of respect and these guys dont have it for other people.
I dont condone the brain lapse from this caretaker guy but can see how he could be driven to such actions. And given no-one was hurt, I might just take time to smirk.

Not blaming anyone, was just saying most weekend's wsidw is empty with nothing on esp later on at night. Your idear is fantastic about running both strips on a weekend.

If the blokw was so ****ed about it all he had to do waqs video tape it, all he would need is footage of the plates and tha cars being stupid and the cops have no choice to round them up.

AUIII XR8 MAN · 20-02-2005, 04:34 PM

I think that both the kids & the old block are as bad as each other

: then the radio making the old fart look like some sort of hero

. All the old bloke should of done is keep writing the number plate down & reporting them. If the police won't do anything, then ring one of the T.V shows, then something will get do when they air it all over Oz.

RED_EL_XR8 · 20-02-2005, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by XRQTOR

Not blaming anyone, was just saying most weekend's wsidw is empty with nothing on esp later on at night. Your idear is fantastic about running both strips on a weekend.

If the blokw was so ****ed about it all he had to do waqs video tape it, all he would need is footage of the plates and tha cars being stupid and the cops have no choice to round them up.

The reason there is nothing on late at night is the Loony Lobby has a noise curfew imposed on the creek, you know how much close-by housing there is there. Some people 4 Kms away have their lives disrupted by the noise, even if they have to turn the telly right down and go outside on the verandah to hear it.
They're the one you hope have their streets terrorised by hoons with no-where to go.

As for the video, I know neighers have shown Plod digital pics including rego numbers of hoons in action, I dont think anyone went to the gallows, but it did get the occasional cruise of HWP car.

MRJUCY · 20-02-2005, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by XRQTOR

Street racing is a majour problem, it's not just ricers who do it. If it wasn't for the blokes who actually race at the creek street racing would be dangerous, it's not uncommen to see 1o-11 sec cars out. Their the ones who try and keep it organised and safe. Biggest problem is that wsidw is only open on a wensday, 90% of people who drive cars work which makes it near impossible to attend. They should have it open fri sat nights, charge $2o a head which would be more than ennough to cover fees. And when Wsidw is open you cant really pick who you want to race, ive seen 18 sec volvos lined up against 7 sec cars. Where's the fun in that, what's the point in that.

Unfortunately the current $45 fee only really covers costs to run the event they mailed out a sheet explaining the breakdown of costs to all the people who have previously raced there & it all seemed fair enough. They would be making money of spectators tho I guess but that is fair enough it's not there for charity & it needs to make money to keep going.

RED_EL_XR8 · 20-02-2005, 05:07 PM

$45 is hardly unreasonable, considering all the people required to run an event correctly. A couple of hard runs (street or strip) and you'll have spent a lot more than $45 in tyres and wear & tear.

Come unstuck racing within the rules at the strip and the most you are going to be up for is your car. Excellent medical always on hand.
Do it in an industrial area and you could be paying your misfortunes off for the rest of your life. Or worse till hurt or kill someone else with no medical at hand.

It snot hard to work out which is best.

XRQTOR · 20-02-2005, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MRJUCY

Unfortunately the current $45 fee only really covers costs to run the event they mailed out a sheet explaining the breakdown of costs to all the people who have previously raced there & it all seemed fair enough. They would be making money of spectators tho I guess but that is fair enough it's not there for charity & it needs to make money to keep going.

Yea true their not there to give out freebies, but how about some government funding. This removes them from the street. But if they run it properly they could get 5 times the amount of cars out there to what they normally do, which should drop the price back to a reasonable level.

MRJUCY · 20-02-2005, 06:42 PM

I have thought that before but I can't really seeing it as something the government would go for.
I think even if they give people there first time out there free or half price or something it would encourage people to get out there & give it ago to satisfy there curiosity over whose car is faster etc & find out for themselves what a great sport it is.