6 vs 8

EF302 · 04-12-2005, 07:55 PM

Hi all,
Im just a bit confused at the moment, my ef xr8 got blown awy(privite road) by a ef 6cyl fairmont, stock as. Not a ticky engine either. My car seems to run smooth. just slow.The v8 just isnt worth the fuel bill.
What sort of times where the 6's doing compared to the 8 standard.
Anyways thought id have a chat and find out what u guys think,
nick

niko · 04-12-2005, 07:57 PM

its not much in it power wise, bit more pull with the 8, but its all about the noise

EASPRINT · 04-12-2005, 08:02 PM

I've owned both 4.0 and 5.0......the v8 is more reliable and smooth, and a little bit more pull for towing etc. The 4.0 is heaps cheaper to work on....and easy to do mods....lol

EF302 · 04-12-2005, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by EASPRINT

I've owned both 4.0 and 5.0......the v8 is more reliable and smooth, and a little bit more pull for towing etc. The 4.0 is heaps cheaper to work on....and easy to do mods....lol

Yeh i know, i owned an eb 4.0l with a five speed. no one could get near me in it. bought the v8 thinking it would be quicker. oh well, time to mod i guess,lol :eclipsee_

EF302 · 04-12-2005, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rollin

is your car auto or manual? if it was manual you may just need more practice with launch and shifting.

i would have to suggest you throw the thing on a dyno and get a power run with air/fuel ratios included in the plot, that way you can tell if your car is making all the power it should.

do you have any mods? even a k&n filter?

it' s auto, couldn't find a manual at the time unfortunetly. I will get it on the dyno rollin, good idea. is air/fuel ratio something i have to ask?

EF302 · 04-12-2005, 08:52 PM

so does anyone know standard times, just wondering

5L · 04-12-2005, 09:20 PM

look on fpv.com.au, past cars and look for your car in there they have got heaps of stats for fords, or better still the e-series site should have the stats.

EF302 · 04-12-2005, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by eb5speed

look on fpv.com.au, past cars and look for your car in there they have got heaps of stats for fords, or better still the e-series site should have the stats.

yeh, except the only car not there is the one i own.
knew i should of bought the fairmont i looked at. this car has been nothing but trouble

sik mk1 cortina · 05-12-2005, 07:40 AM

Was the fairmont manual, that would explain a lot

i know the EL XR8 does a 15.6 1/4mile, read it somewhere, but i dont know if it was an auto or manual, or if had the 185kw motor.

KEV EB XR8 · 05-12-2005, 07:47 AM

Dosnt sound right ef302, my EB XR8 is nothing special with air and paceys/exhaust but burrs up pretty well against most. Tune and some new parts may be in order?

banarcus · 05-12-2005, 09:58 AM

My wagon wasn't(still isn't) the quickest 5.0 but it does leave my old 4.0 wagon for dead. The 5 speed in the V8 makes quite a difference considering the ratio of 2nd gear in the auto takes forever to reach the redline.

EF302 · 05-12-2005, 10:25 AM

it seems to cough and splatter a bit at high revs. it almost sounds like its back firing but not loud. ford have run it through the computer about a week or so ago,(for other reasons)and its showing no faults.
anyone?

Kenaz · 05-12-2005, 10:34 AM

That's weird. My 5.0 Fairmont leaves many auto 6s for dead. There has to be something wrong with it. I know the 165kW windsors aren't the quickest V8s going around but they are at least quicker than a stock 4.0 that's for sure.

EF302 · 05-12-2005, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Kenaz

I know the 165kW windsors aren't the quickest V8s going around but they are at least quicker than a stock 4.0 that's for sure

that my thoughts aswell, thats why i bought it. have to take it to a decent mechanic. ford are w*n*e*s.there more interested in trying to hit me up for brake pads.

EF302 · 05-12-2005, 11:46 AM

and also, do the windsors have a 3/8 stud mount for roller rockers? im going to get some 1.7 ratio ones.

Windsor220 · 05-12-2005, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenaz

. I know the 165kW windsors aren't the quickest V8s going around but they are at least quicker than a stock 4.0 that's for sure.

Maybe in auto form. remember the XR6 was quicker than the XR8 through most of the 90s. The standard 6 in manual form was capable of a high 15 and the EB GT could only do a mid 15 so i dont think theres much in it.

ilsautomotive · 05-12-2005, 03:36 PM

Personally I'd start with a major service (all filters, check throttle cable etc) then see what times you're pulling down the quarter mile. It will be pretty obvious if something is wrong with the car.

V8 Ghia · 05-12-2005, 04:10 PM

Found these factory 1/4 mile figures a couple of years ago in a big .pdf file (dont know how to attach it), can't confirm the accuracy but:

1994 XR8 - 15.9
1994 XR6 - 15.6
1996 Falcon 6 cyl - 16.1
(Unknown auto or manual)

But based on these so called factory times an EF xr8 should be side by side with a 6 cylinder EF.
So if you are being beaten by a lot something is definately not right.

EF302 · 05-12-2005, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ED I6

Found these factory 1/4 mile figures a couple of years ago in a big .pdf file (dont know how to attach it), can't confirm the accuracy but:

1994 XR8 - 15.9
1994 XR6 - 15.6
1996 Falcon 6 cyl - 16.1
(Unknown auto or manual)

But based on these so called factory times an EF xr8 should be side by side with a 6 cylinder EF.
So if you are being beaten by a lot something is definately not right.

might rip out the crappy exhaust and run twins all the way through. someone has put on a twins into single 3'' but it doesnt look like the best exhaust job in the world. see how she goes then.
anyone know what the scorpian roller rockers are like?

galaxy xr8 · 05-12-2005, 05:23 PM

The 1st thing I would do is talk to people around your area and find someone that know's their way around the little Windsor and then go pay them a little visit, there are lot's of old bloke's out there that know how to make a windsor boggie.

EFFalcon · 05-12-2005, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ED I6

Found these factory 1/4 mile figures a couple of years ago in a big .pdf file (dont know how to attach it), can't confirm the accuracy but:

1994 XR8 - 15.9
1994 XR6 - 15.6
1996 Falcon 6 cyl - 16.1
(Unknown auto or manual)

But based on these so called factory times an EF xr8 should be side by side with a 6 cylinder EF.
So if you are being beaten by a lot something is definately not right.

i'd be inclined to say the 15.9 is from an Auto XR8 (i've seen an auto XR6 pull 15.9)
and the XR6 be a manual.
the 16.1 from the Falcon, hard to say what that'd be as the claimed factory time for a GLi auto was 16.2

EF_Frmnt · 06-12-2005, 09:23 PM

Hey EF302 was that up the coast at mooloolabah?? If it was it was ME!! i nailed a gunmental grey 8 up there on sunday.. with a leaky head gasket too. 3 hours later it totally blew water to cylinder

private road..... hmmm....

5speedeb · 06-12-2005, 09:36 PM

from fpv website

eb1 xr8 0-100 km/h - 8.0 seconds; Standing 400m - 15.6 seconds dosent say if auto/manual
eb2 xr6 0-100 km/h - 7.5 seconds; Standing 400m - 15.5 seconds

1991 eb 1 falcon s 0-100 km/h - 8.0 seconds; Standing 400m - 15.8 seconds

hope this helps

EL8TED · 07-12-2005, 03:07 AM

if its any concellation, my EL 2 XR8 (auto) which allegedly was finally faster than the XR6's, sits about half a car length to my mates EF XR6, to about the 60- 70km/h mark, as mentioned it takes forever to get outa second, i think thats the problem..altho i assume gear ratios would be similar.. my XR seems to squeel like a banshee at high revs!!

never run it anything more than that, just litle traffic light duels, hes running a full 2 1/2 " and all i had was a catsback 3". both with 3:45 ratio's, but then again i was launching about 600rpm below what i could, cos i thought i couldnt go any higher, havnt tried it again since, i know he almost got whooped by VN 6cyl 5spd.. edit, you mean on a private road of course!!

the car u dueled may have had a 3:45 ratio, ur EF would only be a 3:23, get a JMM stall convertor.. then youll be laughing!! i think.

EF302 · 15-12-2005, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by EF_Frmnt

Hey EF302 was that up the coast at mooloolabah?? If it was it was ME!! i nailed a gunmental grey 8 up there on sunday.. with a leaky head gasket too. 3 hours later it totally blew water to cylinder

private road..... hmmm....

yeah that was me, lol. thats not good about head gasket. sorrylol

ECOJET · 15-12-2005, 04:24 PM

sorry guys but the ford 5litre is a reknown slug... different story between them and commodores.
351 vs chev was a real battle, now its between the mustangs and the ls1s... more comprative, but the E series and au's had no balls.

FPVWEPN · 15-12-2005, 04:35 PM

what good is a stall convertor if ur not dragging from a standstill???

XT221 · 04-02-2006, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ECOJET

sorry guys but the ford 5litre is a reknown slug... different story between them and commodores.
351 vs chev was a real battle, now its between the mustangs and the ls1s... more comprative, but the E series and au's had no balls.

No Balls !!!! haha your a funny guy

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Windsor220 · 04-02-2006, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ECOJET

sorry guys but the ford 5litre is a reknown slug... different story between them and commodores.
351 vs chev was a real battle, now its between the mustangs and the ls1s... more comprative, but the E series and au's had no balls.

Forgetting something? Holdens 5.0l? Which was the direct competitor to the windsor. Drive one and you'll find they dont exactly set the track alight either.

ten[A]cio[U]s · 04-02-2006, 06:50 PM

I found this site a while ago. Has a lot of stats and times.

http://www.geocities.com/falconfacts.../effalcon.html

No sure how reliable but sounds good. Its good for a lot of cars.