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Old 26-07-2017, 09:48 PM   #1
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Default P6 LTD vs ZH Fairlane.

Can any of you blokes tell me if the P6 and ZH are the exact same length or not?, I believe the LTD has a longer wheel base, does that mean it's longer overall?
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Old 26-07-2017, 09:52 PM   #2
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Wheel base as I recall is measured from front to rear centre axles, not overall length, the long wheel base was for fair lanes, LTD and falcon wagons
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Old 26-07-2017, 09:59 PM   #3
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Default Re: P6 LTD vs ZH Fairlane.

P6 is longer in wheelbase and length
Length: P6 5364mm vs ZH 5196mm
Wheelbase: P6 3074mm vs ZH 2946mm

https://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.a...specifications
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Old 26-07-2017, 10:01 PM   #4
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Default Re: P6 LTD vs ZH Fairlane.

Yes, I understand that. Generally, cars with a longer wheel base have the added length in the body, but there seems to be conflicting specs for the P6 available on the net, hence my question.
Does anyone have access to factory literature with the specifications?
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Old 26-07-2017, 10:08 PM   #5
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Default Re: P6 LTD vs ZH Fairlane.

throwing out a calculated guess here, LTD and Fairlanes going be same wheelbase
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Old 27-07-2017, 06:32 AM   #6
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Default Re: P6 LTD vs ZH Fairlane.

pmacc has provided the answer in post 3

The first LTD's were in fact longer than their equivalent Fairlanes. ZJ/FC were the first to share wheelbase length.
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Old 27-07-2017, 08:27 AM   #7
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You can see the extra length of the P5 & P6 LTDs over the equivalent Fairlanes, in their unique extra-long rear doors.

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Old 27-07-2017, 06:22 PM   #8
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You can see the extra length of the P5 & P6 LTDs over the equivalent Fairlanes, in their unique extra-long rear doors.

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Yep. If you have a look at the rear floor pan you can see there is an added section about five inches wide.

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Old 27-07-2017, 09:45 PM   #9
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Default Re: P6 LTD vs ZH Fairlane.

Can anybody provide Ford's actual specs?
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Old 27-07-2017, 10:12 PM   #10
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Default Re: P6 LTD vs ZH Fairlane.

P6 from our Brochure section says, 5366mm Length and 3073mm Wheelbase
http://www.fordforums.com.au/photos/...hp?photo=47574

ZH from our Brochure section says, 5181mm Length and 2946mm Wheelbase
http://www.fordforums.com.au/photos/...hp?photo=18812
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Old 27-07-2017, 10:23 PM   #11
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P6 from our Brochure section says, 5366mm Length and 3073mm Wheelbase
http://www.fordforums.com.au/photos/...hp?photo=47574

ZH from our Brochure section says, 5181mm Length and 2946mm Wheelbase
http://www.fordforums.com.au/photos/...hp?photo=18812
Awesome, thanks very much for that. I'm looking at one on Saturday.
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Old 28-07-2017, 07:35 AM   #12
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Yep. If you have a look at the rear floor pan you can see there is an added section about five inches wide.

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They also have those extra inches welded into the roof panel. This is why the vinyl roof is 'padded' & not available as a 'delete option'. It was to hide the welded seams.

If you ever see one in a wrecking yard with the vinyl roof stripped back, check it out.

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Old 28-07-2017, 09:25 AM   #13
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Default Re: P6 LTD vs ZH Fairlane.

And the rear door , I had a p6 wreck for my zh and there is no way in hell a p6 rear for would fit in much wider like the roof and flour pan
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Old 28-07-2017, 04:23 PM   #14
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Default Re: P6 LTD vs ZH Fairlane.

If memory serves, the ZH used the wagon wheelbase and the P6 used it's own.

I had a P5 then a P6 Silver Monarch. Friends used to love me picking them up and riding in the back, they reckoned you could play tennis in the back there was so much legroom. Always wondered what happened to it, sold it to a Holden bloke who wanted to use it as a wedding car back in the early 90's.
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Old 28-07-2017, 09:54 PM   #15
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Ever tried to do a u-turn in a p6 ltd?? Nightmare....
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The P6 was that big you needed a guided tour around the 'facility' not a test drive. They were beautiful.. Haven't seen one for years though.
Remember the days when all the pollies used to travel around in them .
P6 ,Silver Monarch , Marquis , and many other LTD variations , then the lovely old Fairlanes (many still look the goods) and then the Falcon based Fairmont Ghia and Fairmonts.. THEN the G6/G6E and G6E Turbo.. Bloody lovely.
Don't know why but I always had a real soft spot for a really classy dark red XD Fairmont Ghia that was owned by a local communications technician. He sold it later on to buy a Telstar TX5 Ghia with the V6 2.5 litre engine I think.
His Fairmont was 351 V8..Go figure..
Re the big ol LTD's and Fairlanes..bloody comfy spacious and well appointed in their day . Ford did a pretty good limo.
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I loved my old boat...ahem..ZH.
That foot brake de-barked many a shin.
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I used to see a little old lady driving a P6 LTD around town as her grocery car. I cant even begin to think how she managed to park the thing.

A very distinctive car produced at a time when nothing was impossible at Ford.
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Ever tried to do a u-turn in a p6 ltd?? Nightmare....
Your not pressing hard enough on the accelerator pedal
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Went to look at a P6 today, beautiful car, too bad the A-pillars were beyond repair and the roof had rust.
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Ever tried to do a u-turn in a p6 ltd?? Nightmare....
u turn ??? were u turns even invented back then
when I did my lic back then I'm sure we were taught three point turns even tho the streets were wide enough you took a cut lunch to cross to the neighbour or just posted a letter
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U-turns are easy... in Coolgardie.
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Ever tried to do a u-turn in a p6 ltd?? Nightmare....
No, but I know someone who did one night, creased his front bar on a stobie pole whilst attempting a u turn and then killed two friends in a crash 2 minutes later as a result of cracking the ****s over the minor damage...
Poor old P6 finished up like a boomerang.
It was a nightmare though....true story.
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Sorry to hear that.
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If you have ever drove one you know what I mean. A friend of mine had a 1979 I think February built p6 town car. Maroon with black roof and cream leather interior. I drove that car many times. On a standard sized roundabout I needed full lock just to keep the front in my lane. I would not like to take it through a macas drive through. Very comfortable car and the did not rust out as much as falcons. Maybe because they were made in Brisbane??? Better build quality perhaps.
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In the early 80s a guy at trade school grafted a P6 front end onto a XC Panel van.
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In the early 80s a guy at trade school grafted a P6 front end onto a XC Panel van.
It's all just bolt up on the front rear would need grafting tho
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A cool story from Wheels when they got PM Malcolm Fraser to test drive a P6:

https://www.wheelsmag.com.au/feature...erial-material
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Sorry to hear that.
25yrs ago next month, time heals, but such a tragic waste of life and beautiful example of a fine car.
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