300C versus FPV or HSV

dogwatch2 · 14-06-2006, 11:34 PM

For those considering getting a 300C instead of a FPV or HSV, the 300C in the USA "consumerreport.org" rate the 300C in the least reliable large sedan group..."Most reliable SEDANS: Lexus GS300/GS430*, Infiniti M35/45*, Lexus IS300 (2005), Honda Accord Hybrid*, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord 4-cyl., Lexus LS430 .........Least reliable SEDANS: Jaguar S-Type, Lincoln LS, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Saab 9-3, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, BMW 5-Series (V8), Audi A8, Chrysler 300 (V8)*, BMW 7 series". ......SO aussie buyers beware!!

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all4ford · 15-06-2006, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by dogwatch2

For those considering getting a 300C instead of a FPV or HSV, the 300C in the USA "consumerreport.org" rate the 300C in the least reliable large sedan group..."Most reliable SEDANS: Lexus GS300/GS430*, Infiniti M35/45*, Lexus IS300 (2005), Honda Accord Hybrid*, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord 4-cyl., Lexus LS430 .........Least reliable SEDANS: Jaguar S-Type, Lincoln LS, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Saab 9-3, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, BMW 5-Series (V8), Audi A8, Chrysler 300 (V8)*, BMW 7 series". ......SO aussie buyers beware!!

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Yeah but I cant see anyone not buying Mercs or BMWs because of this.

Deadman · 15-06-2006, 10:26 AM

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Yeah but I cant see anyone not buying Mercs or BMWs because of this.

Exactly... BMW's have been known as duds for a long time, but people still buy them - it's the Badge. Same thing will happen with the 300C. It's also the same reason people didn't buy Mitsubishi's when they made the best local 6cyl cars in the mid-late 90's - the Badge. It's one of the main reasons cars sell / don't sell.

Laminge · 15-06-2006, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by dogwatch2

For those considering getting a 300C instead of a FPV or HSV, the 300C in the USA "consumerreport.org" rate the 300C in the least reliable large sedan group..."Most reliable SEDANS: Lexus GS300/GS430*, Infiniti M35/45*, Lexus IS300 (2005), Honda Accord Hybrid*, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord 4-cyl., Lexus LS430 .........Least reliable SEDANS: Jaguar S-Type, Lincoln LS, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Saab 9-3, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, BMW 5-Series (V8), Audi A8, Chrysler 300 (V8)*, BMW 7 series". ......SO aussie buyers beware!!

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It is not the 300c we should be comparing, its the SRT8, lets get that right before quoting useless information from the states to line up our cars.

I rather listen to owners experience, or try it myself.

cwhast · 15-06-2006, 11:59 AM

hmm all the "most reliable" were Japanese cars...
funny... America kicked their asses in WW2, now they're fighting back.. economically.
it was bound to happen

LUXO_8 · 15-06-2006, 12:05 PM

isnt the 300c we get different to the one the US gets.............in that ours are built in austria instead of the states....

ours is probably a lot better than the US spec

XRated · 15-06-2006, 12:13 PM

Wayne, I think it's only the SRT-8 version that is built in Austria, but I could be totally wrong!

LUXO_8 · 15-06-2006, 12:22 PM

i was pretty sure all RHD chryslers are built there..... could be way off though

AuFairlaneV8 · 15-06-2006, 05:38 PM

Im bettin if you could find these stats on cars sold in Australia FPV and HSV would not be in the most reliable list.

1TUFFUTE · 15-06-2006, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Laminge

It is not the 300c we should be comparing, its the SRT8, lets get that right before quoting useless information from the states to line up our cars.

I rather listen to owners experience, or try it myself.

Useless information hey...thats a little harsh as he does quote its a (V8) so it cant be that far off. If its the 300 srt8 then it will cost u well over $70 000 so it could be the 300c Hemi v8, which is a slug but ud think if one was a lemon thed both be a lemon. If the xr6t was a pile off crap, i wouldnt expect the typhoon to be breakn any records.

Also its always better to hear from unbiased people anyhow...not owners!!!!!

1TUFFUTE · 15-06-2006, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by AuFairlaneV8

Im bettin if you could find these stats on cars sold in Australia FPV and HSV would not be in the most reliable list.

true, but id hope our big boys could at least out gun the toyota camry an Honda accord in that list,,,shame

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XA-Coupe · 15-06-2006, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

Also its always better to hear from unbiased people anyhow...not owners!!!!!

cool.. so experience means nothing these days ... yay

Laminge · 15-06-2006, 05:51 PM

Hey

If you want to stick your head into the books and enjoy the facts and figures from them, I will even give you a nice AFF bookmark.

T3ts50 · 15-06-2006, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

true, but id hope our big boys could at least out gun the toyota camry an Honda accord in that list,,,shame

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I would to, but I serously doubt it

1TUFFUTE · 15-06-2006, 08:06 PM

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Hey

If you want to stick your head into the books and enjoy the facts and figures from them, I will even give you a nice AFF bookmark.

hahah dont make me laugh man...this forum is all about numbers,facts and figures and how to crunch them anyhow.

1TUFFUTE · 15-06-2006, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by XA-Coupe

cool.. so experience means nothing these days ... yay

experience from unbiased people is the key here i think. U wouldnt bag a car u bought with ur own hard earnd cash would u, therefore mag comparos and other public discussions is what i was thinking off bud...

cArSiK · 15-06-2006, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

hahah dont make me laugh man...this forum is all about numbers,facts and figures and how to crunch them anyhow.

^ Figures Fool and Fools Figure.

Im not sure what your saying.

Melz · 15-06-2006, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

experience from unbiased people is the key here i think. U wouldnt bag a car u bought with ur own hard earnd cash would u, therefore mag comparos and other public discussions is what i was thinking off bud...

Who says the journalists in car magazines aren't biased....

XA-Coupe · 15-06-2006, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

experience from unbiased people is the key here i think. U wouldnt bag a car u bought with ur own hard earnd cash would u, therefore mag comparos and other public discussions is what i was thinking off bud...

For starters, I would learn to spell .. or not be so lazy to use sms speak.
Secondly, read what you are saying ... you would take the word of someone who hasn't driven one for all you know over someone who has experience. Don't take unbiased ( assuming it is ) to mean knowledgable.

1TUFFUTE · 15-06-2006, 08:25 PM

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Who says the journalists in car magazines aren't biased....

well to a degree...thousands of people. When they group all the best performance cars in aus together and take them on days of hard driving and testing u see cars driven back to back and u get a judgement by a board off enthusiasts. Thats not as biased as someone who owns one and says his is better than yours without even driving or testing...correct??????

sorry xa-coupe, im so used to sms ing, i read that back and it is weird isnt it.

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XA-Coupe · 15-06-2006, 08:28 PM

Over the years I have noticed that journos are generally very biased .. it's human nature. I mean, they voted the Camira the car of the year FFS !!

1TUFFUTE · 15-06-2006, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by XA-Coupe

Over the years I have noticed that journos are generally very biased .. it's human nature. I mean, they voted the Camira the car of the year FFS !!

haha thats damn sad when your biased to a camira

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XA-Coupe · 15-06-2006, 08:34 PM

The point is, just because they are journalists their opinin isnt automatically valid.
You learn there are some journos that try to work around their biases and some that are just gerbils that pump out whatever they think will sell.
BTW, all the cars they have in the same class as the 300c are about half the size of it.

1TUFFUTE · 15-06-2006, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by XA-Coupe

The point is, just because they are journalists their opinin isnt automatically valid.
You learn there are some journos that try to work around their biases and some that are just gerbils that pump out whatever they think will sell.
BTW, all the cars they have in the same class as the 300c are about half the size of it.

what you mean, the 300c is lighter than a gt and a srt8 is only 20kg heavier i think. which one u talking about???

XA-Coupe · 15-06-2006, 08:50 PM

nah, the cars listed in the first post ..they are small or medium cars at the best.

**russellw** · 15-06-2006, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

experience from unbiased people is the key here i think. U wouldnt bag a car u bought with ur own hard earnd cash would u, therefore mag comparos and other public discussions is what i was thinking off bud...

There is where you make your first mistake - assumption. I've always presented an unbiased view of the cars that have filled my garage (as a little trawl through these forums will testify to) and if it has flaws then I'm happy to say so.

In terms of the quality surveys I will be waiting for the results of the Euro JD Power one before commenting because their cars are built in Austria like ours are and not Canada where the US survey cars are built. Not that I would expect them to rate all that highly any more than the local product would as they are based on faults per hundred vehicles.

There are certainly some things I would (and no doubt will) improve but thus far quality and build related issues have been less than my experience with the last 3 Ford vehicles at a similar stage in time. The only one thus far being a misaligned headlight which compares favourably against the GT-P which racked up 3 faults before the same 2,500 km mark.

Cheers
Russ

1TUFFUTE · 15-06-2006, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by russellw

There is where you make your first mistake - assumption. I've always presented an unbiased view of the cars that have filled my garage (as a little trawl through these forums will testify to) and if it has flaws then I'm happy to say so.

In terms of the quality surveys I will be waiting for the results of the Euro JD Power one before commenting because their cars are built in Austria like ours are and not Canada where the US survey cars are built. Not that I would expect them to rate all that highly any more than the local product would as they are based on faults per hundred vehicles.

There are certainly some things I would (and no doubt will) improve but thus far quality and build related issues have been less than my experience with the last 3 Ford vehicles at a similar stage in time. The only one thus far being a misaligned headlight which compares favourably against the GT-P which racked up 3 faults before the same 2,500 km mark.

Cheers
Russ

SEE THIS is what im talking about. U expect me to accept your single opinion on the quality of whatever car it is u own because off your own experiences, over that of a independant company testing many cars profesionaly.Not in their backyard. People here already have mentioned that some of the cars on the list are allready well known at the bottom of the ladder, giving a certain amount of credability to them right there.

And i didnt assume anything mate , i dont even know who u are. There was a large car segment in that test and the thread said in the begining that in that segment the 300cv8 was on the bottom. I think its fair for him to comment on that.

**russellw** · 15-06-2006, 10:00 PM

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U expect me to accept your single opinion on the quality of whatever car it is u own because off your own experiences, over that of a independant company testing many cars profesionaly.Not in their backyard.

I couldn't give a rat's rear end what you think of my opinion - nor did I ask you to give it any credence. What I said was that I will take note of the survey that is relevant to the vehicles we have here when it is released later this year.

Funnily enough, one of the aims of a forum is to allow for shared experiences; it's part of the value we add to each other as a community. Each individual can thus choose to assess the credibility of the information provided by individual members and then apply whatever weight to that they deem appropriate.

The negativity in your posts to that aspect of the forum life indicate where your head is at and your use of SMS style abbreviations equally indicates your lack of respect for your fellow members.

BY the way, the survey to which you attach so much credibility has nothing to do with actual testing of the cars. The surveys are the result of individual owner experiences that are simply collated for data analysis purposes.

Russ

SpoolMan · 15-06-2006, 10:38 PM

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SEE THIS is what im talking about. U expect me to accept your single opinion on the quality of whatever car it is u own because off your own experiences,

Why do you think the Person started the thread in the 1st place, to ask others personal experiences who have driven or owned these vechiles listed in the 1st post, have you driven or owned any of them?

Personal experiences I would regard over a journalist any day, what does a person have to gain as we don't sell cars we drive them.
SRT8 is a fine looking car and performs well, I have looked over the SRT8 and the interior and exterior is of a high standard.

If you get a chance instead of trying to be objective towards every-ones post, go down to your Chrysler dealer and check out the SRT 8 and any of the cars in question then come back and post your thoughts and experiences.

csv8 · 16-06-2006, 10:01 AM

Road Ahead June July issue, 300C is expensive to own.
12 Common parts bin items. 300C $7333. Falcon $ 2590. Maxima $3696. Hyundai $5020. VW Passat $3080.
Insurance 300C $1387. Falcon $616. Maxima $707. VW $845. Hyundai $ 765.
Service Costs $ 300C $12003. Falcon $678. Maxima $1207. Hyundai $1225. VW $1859
Interesting ! Holden couldn't supply a Calais, as none avaialble due to runout for VE.