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27-05-2009, 10:52 AM | #1 | ||
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Porsche battles bankruptcy, seeks billions
26/05/2009 7:46:01 AM German luxury sportscar maker Porsche sought to deflect talk of bankruptcy on Monday after acknowledging it had borrowed hundreds of millions of euros from Volkswagen and needed billions more. A spokesman for Porsche -- producer of the iconic 911 sportscar -- confirmed a report in Der Spiegel magazine that it had secured a loan of 700 million euros (980 million dollars) from VW, in which it holds a 51 percent stake. "The loan expires at the end of September," the spokesman said without giving further details. Porsche asked for the loan in March, Spiegel said, as the company struggles to raise cash to finance the huge mountain of debt it undertook when bidding to take over the much larger VW. At the time, Porsche needed to raise 12.5 billion euros. The spokesman said it has got 10 billion from the banks, leaving it needing around 1.75 billion after the 700 million from VW is taken into account. "We are still lacking 1.75 billion (euros). We are negotiating with several banks, including the KfW (state development bank)," said the spokesman. Porsche has found itself facing debts of nine billion euros during its ambitious takeover bid for VW -- Europe's biggest carmaker. After the bid failed, the two auto giants agreed on May 6 to begin merger talks, giving themselves four weeks to agree a tie-up but negotiations have since foundered amid clashes between the bosses of the two firms. Shares in Porsche plunged over six percent on the German stock market before recovering in late trade on Monday. |
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27-05-2009, 11:38 AM | #2 | ||
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Their first step to avoid bankruptcy has been undertaken already. They replaced all their design team with a photocopier.
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27-05-2009, 11:45 AM | #3 | |||
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27-05-2009, 01:55 PM | #4 | |||
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27-05-2009, 05:03 PM | #5 | ||
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looks like instead of taking over VW, there will be a merger ( wheels magazine )
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27-05-2009, 05:58 PM | #6 | ||
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Didn't Porsche allready own a % ow VW, or were they in the process of doing so?
I hope that they don't go under :(
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27-05-2009, 06:01 PM | #7 | ||
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They own 51%, and wanted 75%, a gov shire owns 20% also.
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14-06-2009, 09:16 AM | #8 | ||
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June 14, 2009 03:30am QATAR is ready to acquire at least a 25 per cent stake in German luxury sportscar maker Porsche, heavily in debt after increasing its shares in Volkswagen, according to German media. "The emirate of Qatar and its adviser Credit Suisse on June 8 finished the preliminary examination of Porsche's books,'' the German news weekly Der Spiegel says in an article to appear in Monday's edition. Ferdinand Piech, a co-owner of Porsche and former Volkswagen boss, does not have enough backing to turn down Qatar, the weekly says. A special meeting of Porsche's board of directors could decide in early July on a capital increase to present to shareholders at an annual general meeting in September. At the latest by November, up to five billion euros ($A8.61 billion) could be added to Porsche's accounts by a capital increase,'' Spiegel said. According to the Sunday edition of the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, how Qatar can invest in Porsche will be discussed this weekend. Qatar has asked for voting shares, a first at Porsche which is wholly controlled by members of the Porsche-Piech families, German media reported. Porsche is being crushed by nine billion euros ($A15.51 billion) of debt incurred when it tried to take over Volkswagen, the biggest European carmaker, in which Porsche now holds a stake of 51 per cent. Porsche abandoned its bid to take full control of VW last month and the two car makers said they would discuss terms of a merger, but disagreements quickly surfaced between the Porsche and Piech families. The state of Qatar investing in Porsche could allow the car maker to revive its original plan of taking over the much bigger VW. It would also mark the second major investment by Middle Eastern interests in Germany's auto sector. In late March, the Abu Dhabi state investment fund Aabar Investments bought a nine per cent stake in Daimler, which owns Mercedes-Benz. Porsche could not be reached on Saturday for comment on the media reports.
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This 'economic crisis' could be what the car industry needs... (yet in ways doesn't).. Just picture how dramatically the dynamics of the industry can change with all these buyouts and takeovers....
Interesting times ahead.
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14-06-2009, 09:34 AM | #10 | ||
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The Qatari's love their Cayennes, Escalades and anything with a 3 pointed star on it! Having been to Qatar on a few occasions, I'm sure that if the Emir wanted to, he could have bought all of Porsche and anything else on the table too.
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14-06-2009, 11:32 AM | #11 | |||
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Porsche will give Qatar its stake in VW.
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01-07-2009, 12:19 PM | #13 | |||
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Porsche is not getting any government loans.
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01-07-2009, 02:50 PM | #14 | ||
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Qatar may buy VW or Porsche stake
The Gulf state of Qatar is considering buying a big stake in either Volkswagen or its majority owner Porsche. VW said in a statement that it would welcome the investment because it would speed up its merger with Porsche. The Qatar Investment Authority (QIA) is in advanced talks about buying up to 25% of Porsche, according to a report in the Financial Times. Porsche owns more than 50% of VW, but suspended attempts to buy a controlling stake of 75% when it ran out of money. Porsche took on 9bn euros ($12.2bn; Ł8bn) of debt to increase its stake in VW, but that debt is now creating tension between the two companies. Had Porsche succeeded in controlling VW, it could have used the larger company's financial muscle to refinance its debt, but having failed to do so, it has been forced to apply to the German government for an emergency 1.75bn euro emergency loan. VW and Porsche own stakes in each other through a complicated family history that unites the two carmakers and the German state of Lower Saxony, which holds a 20% stake in VW and can block strategic decisions under the "VW law". VW chairman Ferdinand Piech is the grandson of Ferdinand Porsche, the founder of the car company that bears his name. He has a seat on Porsche's board. Mr Piech strained relations recently by saying that Porsche had to trim its debt if the merger was to move ahead. Porsche's holding company is chaired by Mr Piech's cousin, Wolfgang Porsche. Developing industry Qatar's interest in Porsche follows the purchase in March by Aabar, an Abu Dhabi state investment fund, of a 9.1% stake in German carmaker Daimler for 1.95bn euros. Daimler and Aabar said they would work together on the development of electric vehicles and establish a training centre in Abu Dhabi for the auto industry. An investment by Qatar into Porsche could involve a similar agreement. Among the more high profile stakes held by the Gulf State of Qatar are a 27% stake in Sainsbury's and 15% of the London Stock Exchange. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8090627.stm |
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Porsche to cut 911 production
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Porsche in talks with Qatar: spokesman
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Porsche denys CEO leaving
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Fresh report says Porsche to replace boss
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18-07-2009, 09:07 PM | #20 | ||
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This whole situation seems like a massive fiasco. They were one of the most profitable car markets in the world, yet they are now in massive debt because of a power grab. This has badly blown up in their face.
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Porsche boss braces for boardroom clash
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Volkswagen to take over Porsche – reports
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Porsche debt a massive 14 billion euros
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23-07-2009, 11:40 AM | #25 | ||
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Ouchy!!!
They think they going to get out of this..... Not anytime soon
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Porsche management given go-ahead for Qatar deal
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23-07-2009, 04:07 PM | #27 | ||
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hm it seems porsche are in very deep poop here. good luck maneuvering out of that.
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Porsche merged into Volkswagen
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25-07-2009, 11:13 PM | #30 | ||
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It's a shame if Qatar are allowed to get their grubby little hands on anything in the VW group. The Middle Eastern greedy oilers need to stay away and just play in their own sandpit. VW needs to stay wholly European. I'm tired of all these people from the Middle East thinking they can just step in and buy whatever they want. That's my opinion and I stand by it!
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