351 Windsor or 351 Cleveland

[Francis]

With out creating a mini engine war,

As an engine enthusiast I would be really interested to hear peoples thoughts on comparing the 351 Windsor to the 351 Cleveland.

What's the strong and weak points, what's the key differences and which ones are know to sound better?

[Steffo]

This is an Aussie forum so expect the 351C to win by a landslide.

If it were a US forum, the 351W would take the landslide victory.

[Auslandau]

If you threw this into the Cleveland or Windsor section below ....... Now that would be entertaining!!!! GO ON ........ DO IT!!!!!

Me? I like Clevelands. Why? XA,B C for starters and parts/performance are readily available in Aus. Sound wise? NOTHING comes close!



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[Boosh Brus]

+1 vote for the Cleveland

[MethodX]

ill take a windsor.
Dont weigh a tonne and go well enough.

[XCSEDAN]

CLEVO!!!!
sounds hot as hell, better designed heads, wider block, better everything! only problem is oiling but thats a simple fix.

[70caprigt3k]

I'll take the Windsor.

[fmc351]

Cleveland

[TEaaron]

Ztech

[TEaaron]

If I was forced to choose I'd probably take windsor.

[xbcool]

clevo

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Steffo

This is an Aussie forum so expect the 351C to win by a landslide.

If it were a US forum, the 351W would take the landslide victory.

Dont be so sure about that Steffo.. id expect the 302W to win a "popularity" contest but the 351W is well known for its issues over and above its little brothers porblems!
The Clevo was a well respected motor in the states even if its life was short lived.

[scoupedy]

Cleveland here...better heads, bigger pushrods (i think!) stronger allround, windsor has thicker cylinder walls (again I think)
Good reason the Boss is so popular
The original engine for the car is the best option

[xbgs351]

Groan.

[Lukeyson]

i am a Windsor fan, but in a 351 i would have the clevo

[xdclevo]

Either will do. I opt for clevo as it is factory in my car.

[Jonesoir]

Windsors rev better and unfortunately there are a way more good parts due to a strong US aftermarket - the windsor was popular there for 40 odd years. As much as the clevo is an inherently stronger design, there's more options with a windsor.

[cuz]

I'm so glad I wasn't born a yank..... clevo all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Francis]

I'm trying to find an old Windsor to tear down and get a better understanding of as I really appreciate all these old style engines and would like to have 1 of each to cross compare and learn from.

Does the Windsor have the same sort of note as a clevo?

[t2te50]

A windsor doesn't bellow like a clevo, it has a raspier/sportier note to it. They also spin up/rev a lot easie (not sure whether this applies to 351W).

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Jonesoir

Windsors rev better and unfortunately there are a way more good parts due to a strong US aftermarket - the windsor was popular there for 40 odd years. As much as the clevo is an inherently stronger design, there's more options with a windsor.

The "rev better" concept is a total fallacy, cleveland heads breath allot better that windsors which means they're capable of making power at higher revs if the set-up will support it.
in terms of "options" for windsors well the only thing i can think of that is avaliable for a W and not a C is an aftermarket block (which is under development), as far as the rest goes well there's tonnes of aftermarket support for the C as well as the W....
I can't think of any aftermarket advantage for a W over a C other than the block...

[Sam_Boss260]

Ok, to a total engine novice, what are the differences between these 2 engines?

And what car came with what engine.... ie XW GT, XA etc etc.

I've always wanted to know about this but felt too stupid to ask.

[Quasi]

I know it's not what you wanted, but give me an old style BOSS engine.

Windsor bottom end with Clevo top end. These things are the best of both worlds, it's just a shame that the necessary induction manifolds are not only rare, but expensive.

[irlewy86]

I'd own both, then decide.

[banarcus]

If it is a Ford V8, thats good enough for me.

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Dont be so sure about that Steffo.. id expect the 302W to win a "popularity" contest but the 351W is well known for its issues over and above its little brothers porblems!
The Clevo was a well respected motor in the states even if its life was short lived.

The sheer level of aftermarket parts availability based on the 351W dessimates the Clevo in the US. There's even a racing series based on it (NRMA Pro 5.0) which is nothing but ~390 cube tall-deck (351 based) Windsor motors making ~2500hp. And a few mod V8s now.

Most of my American friends call the 351C, "that Aussie engine," lol...

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Steffo

The sheer level of aftermarket parts availability based on the 351W dessimates the Clevo in the US. There's even a racing series based on it (NRMA Pro 5.0) which is nothing but ~390 cube tall-deck (351 based) Windsor motors making ~2500hp. And a few mod V8s now.

Most of my American friends call the 351C, "that Aussie engine," lol...

Steffo, i fully understand that there is a wider choice of brands of aftermarket W products, but that doesn't make them better.. there is nothing bar the block that you can't buy a race quality aftermarket part for a Cleveland that would be inferior to any of the Windsor products, cranks rods, heads manifolds etc are all available in plentiful quantities and with a number of brand choices.
In fact you could argue the Cleveland style aftermarket alloy heads are better than the Windsor equivilant.
You can only use one brand of crank, rods and brand of heads at a time...

[galaxy xr8]

Each are well respected and do the job, why does it matter.

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

Each are well respected and do the job, why does it matter.

It doesn't matter. Perhaps it does to some, and I for the life of me don't understand why...

[blackwood]

Clevo on the track.

Windsor on the street.