Hyundai is outselling Holden in 2015

[Syndrome]

As I said before on this forum, Ford and GM will become bit players in the Australian new car market after they cease local production. And to think they dominated this market for more than half a century.

http://www.news.com.au/technology/in...-1227508155975

[MethodX]

Sad news.

[csv8]

At least GM is taking the Commodore out in style...Ford has done nothing with the Falcon..its so sad..Ford should hang their head in shame...

[rancidpunx]

Very sad state of affairs. Ford and Holden will be the Hyundai and Kia of yesterday. Holden have nothing going for them moving forward but at least Ford have some great cars just the publics perceptions of the brands is terrible. Ford marketing over all models has been appalling.

[Wretched]

You reap what you sow.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

How many times have we seen a market leader (in any market) lose that leadership?

That is what happens when you become complacent in a competitive marketplace.

[csv8]

"August is customarily a tough month for new-car sales as buyers cash in on end-of-financial year deals in June that sometimes push deliveries to July.

Market leader Toyota was down by 7.2 per cent, as were Holden (down 8.9 per cent) and Ford, which was down a staggering 22.5 per cent off a low base."
My Comment : Why aren't alarm bells ringing in Ford HQ???????? it seems like Ford have given up on Australia??????

[351LTD]

Sorry no tears after 40 plus years of Bad Ford service and i think both Holden and Ford still have not learn anything over time.Now own a Hyundai (first non FORD) 5 years warranty and last service cost $129 with No problems or addons.

[Falcon Coupe]

Originally Posted by csv8

"August is customarily a tough month for new-car sales as buyers cash in on end-of-financial year deals in June that sometimes push deliveries to July.

Market leader Toyota was down by 7.2 per cent, as were Holden (down 8.9 per cent) and Ford, which was down a staggering 22.5 per cent off a low base."
My Comment : Why aren't alarm bells ringing in Ford HQ???????? it seems like Ford have given up on Australia??????

Could be those of us who bought Hyundai's over Fords have "given up on Australia".

[Spammy]

Originally Posted by csv8

"August is customarily a tough month for new-car sales as buyers cash in on end-of-financial year deals in June that sometimes push deliveries to July.

Market leader Toyota was down by 7.2 per cent, as were Holden (down 8.9 per cent) and Ford, which was down a staggering 22.5 per cent off a low base."
My Comment : Why aren't alarm bells ringing in Ford HQ???????? it seems like Ford have given up on Australia??????

Ford Australia sold 5747 cars in July. Ford US sold 70,000 F series pickups in Aug....do you think Australia gets that much focus in the monday morning meeting?

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by Spammy

Ford Australia sold 5747 cars in July. Ford US sold 70,000 F series pickups in Aug....do you think Australia gets that much focus in the monday morning meeting?

May be not Monday but EOM reporting it may get some attention when there is some RED showing...

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by csv8

My Comment : Why aren't alarm bells ringing in Ford HQ???????? it seems like Ford have given up on Australia??????

How do you know that alarm bells are not ringing? Or are you just jumping to conclusions based upon your own experiences and expectations.

So, lets assume that alarm bells are ringing. What would you, as a member of the general public, expect to see from Ford? An ad saying we got it wrong? An immediate discount on the cars they have available to sell in this country? Flying in imported vehicles to ensure that supply issues are not the constraint?

I'm sorry, but if alarm bells are, or are not, ringing with Ford management, I doubt any of us would see any immediate changes. To rectify this situation is going to take a long time, not an instantaneous correction.

[STINKY NINJA]

Hyundai have had much better cars than ford or holden for a long time,why such a surprise?

[superfly]

Originally Posted by 351LTD

Sorry no tears after 40 plus years of Bad Ford service and i think both Holden and Ford still have not learn anything over time.Now own a Hyundai (first non FORD) 5 years warranty and last service cost $129 with No problems or addons.

I think Hyundai make great cars. I owned some from new a 1989 Excel, 1993 Lantra and a 1994 Sonata.

But $129 sounds real cheap. Is that for every 6 months? What is Hyundai's service schedule? 10K/12 months? If you buy the Genesis, you get free servicing for 5 years

Toyota also had a $130 service but it was every 6 months.

I'm happy with what I pay Ford. It's only every 15K and includes $85 worth of road side assist. Works for me.

[superfly]

Originally Posted by csv8

At least GM is taking the Commodore out in style...Ford has done nothing with the Falcon..its so sad..Ford should hang their head in shame...

Not that I've seen it advertised as yet but aren't Ford doing a 'Sprint' special of the XR6 and 8?

[mik]

Not surprising in the least, just the smell of a brand getting ready to shut doors and throw away the key is enough to kill off some sales.
And theres no escaping the korean cars throwing extra warranty on their cars is a big draw card , boring as bat **** but good value will always look better to point A to point B car buyers than more versatile better driving cars that are probably more expensive to run, especially in these unstable economic times.

i bloody dislike front wheel drive hacks with a passion(no disrespect intended fwd owners , its just me) ,
but every now now and again i get in a mood and cant be bothered with looking at repairing my old bangers and get a thought buying a newy in my head.................... and i have to say at one stage a boring as bat poo hyundai was actually on the list, purely as a economical value substitute, for those of us with limited cash , the value thing with extra warranty certainly looks good for the consideration of running cost in the long term ownership.
but i really dont know if it would pan out cheaper in the long run even with the extra warranty.

[mik]

Originally Posted by superfly

I think Hyundai make great cars. I owned some from new a 1989 Excel, 1993 Lantra and a 1994 Sonata.

But $129 sounds real cheap. Is that for every 6 months? What is Hyundai's service schedule? 10K/12 months? If you buy the Genesis, you get free servicing for 5 years

Toyota also had a $130 service but it was every 6 months.

I'm happy with what I pay Ford. It's only every 15K and includes $85 worth of road side assist. Works for me.

yes despite the henrys odd little niggles , i think they are a cheap car to run in the long term , i totalled up what my henry owes me for 10 years ownership with every single expense including fuel , insurance, rego, parts ,labor, cost of the car, etc ,etc, then just to make sure i added 5k to the end figure , it was a bloody cheap car to run, of course every ones personal cost will vary , but in my case it was dam good for a big car.

[351LTD]

Service every 7500 Kms Zeloster turbo so 150 Kws of fwd not really boring for the wife to drive to work and us to go away in when the 393s fuel usage gets a bit much.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by 351LTD

Service every 7500 Kms Zeloster turbo so 150 Kws of fwd not really boring for the wife to drive to work and us to go away in when the 393s fuel usage gets a bit much.

So, given that (most?) Fords are serviced every 15,000km, you actually have 2 services for every 1 on a Ford. That means your equivalent servicing cost is $258.

That may still be better than what some (most?) Ford customers are paying, but at least we are now comparing apples with apples.

[STINKY NINJA]

5 year warranty is only given on cars that are made to last that long,how long is fords warranty and what does that say about their lack of confidence in the quality of their product...
I love my fords but how long can you flog a dead horse for,its not giving up on ford,they gave up on us long ago... their sub standard product doesn't fool the general public anymore so its the end of an era.
I think it sucks.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by psychobimbo

So, given that (most?) Fords are serviced every 15,000km, you actually have 2 services for every 1 on a Ford. That means your equivalent servicing cost is $258.

That may still be better than what some (most?) Ford customers are paying, but at least we are now comparing apples with apples.

Our new Hyundai is serviced 12 months or 15,000kms. Assuming the Veloseter needs to be serviced twice as often due to being a Turbo and a "performance" car.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by Ben73

Our new Hyundai is serviced 12 months or 15,000kms. Assuming the Veloseter needs to be serviced twice as often due to being a Turbo and a "performance" car.

Maybe so, but comparing the price of a service at 7,500km interval versus a service cost at a 15,000km interval is not comparing apples with apples. I was simply trying to ensure that any comparison was a fair one. To help with that, how much does the service cost you on the 15,000km service interval? I'm sure it will be a little more than $129.

I'd be surprised that the turbo engine or it being a 'performance' car are a factor as my ST which also has a turbo and has a higher power and torque output is still 15,000km service interval. Similarly, so is the XR8, which, in some people's minds, is more of a 'performance' car than either the Veloseter or the ST.

If I was to follow STINKY NINJA's line of thoughts, where is Hyundai's confidence in their product if they can only get 7,500km safely out of it between services?

[mik]

Originally Posted by STINKY NINJA

5 year warranty is only given on cars that are made to last that long,how long is fords warranty and what does that say about their lack of confidence in the quality of their product...
I love my fords but how long can you flog a dead horse for,its not giving up on ford,they gave up on us long ago... their sub standard product doesn't fool the general public anymore so its the end of an era.
I think it sucks.

While it may a appear to be that way , sales and marketing is not always as it appears,

Some well off company's to get a foot hold in the market will be prepared to offer value added things like warranty at the expense of profit margins for an extended period , and the quality of the product may or may not be questionable, not saying that's the case here , but things are not always as they seem.
And let's face it if you wanted to sell a product and had a huge resource/cash base, it would certainly be a good strategy if you knew your competitors where doing it tuff.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by STINKY NINJA

5 year warranty is only given on cars that are made to last that long,how long is fords warranty and what does that say about their lack of confidence in the quality of their product...
I love my fords but how long can you flog a dead horse for,its not giving up on ford,they gave up on us long ago... their sub standard product doesn't fool the general public anymore so its the end of an era.
I think it sucks.

5 year warranty is the exception, not the norm. 3yr/100000km is still by far the majority cover for most makes.

[351LTD]

It's not just the cost of service but I can honestly say that over that 40 plus years of ownership I have never had one service by a ford dealership that never had some form of problem. Maybe I was unlucky but how many people on this forum get there ford serviced at a ford dealership and are happy about it??.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by 351LTD

how many people on this forum get there ford serviced at a ford dealership and are happy about it??.

me.

the 'A' service costs me $185, although i do supply my own oil.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by prydey

me.

the 'A' service costs me $185, although i do supply my own oil.

Me too

Actually, no, that is not true. I am VERY happy

But, unfortunately, I do get the feeling that I am in the minority and not the majority.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by psychobimbo

But, unfortunately, I do get the feeling that I am in the minority and not the majority.

i wouldn't use a forum as an accurate indication of the real picture.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by psychobimbo

So, given that (most?) Fords are serviced every 15,000km, you actually have 2 services for every 1 on a Ford. That means your equivalent servicing cost is $258.

That may still be better than what some (most?) Ford customers are paying, but at least we are now comparing apples with apples.

As are (most??) Hyundais.

What is the schedule like for a turbo I6, same as the regular I6?

[351LTD]

I could ask ,how many fords over what time frame but this thread is meant to be about Holden,so I will wish you luck!