Xenon Lights Conversion Kits - oppinions and legality

BeStRaFe · 24-08-2007, 03:22 PM

hey guys,
after all the issues having with my car a good thing arrived
my HID lights

i got the 35w kit posted from a friend in melbourne..

1. any precautions using these?
2. are they legal ?
3. if their not the fact that the ballasts will all be hidden will it save me as
if you look from the front of the car is just looks like a have blue globes installed. :evil3:

JC · 24-08-2007, 04:10 PM

Do you want opinion, or legal advice (you've asked for both).

I my opinion, they are fine, as long as they aren't aimed up (which may cause too much glare).

Legally, I believe they may not be ADR compliant in Falcons.

I have both the H4 hi/low, and H1 Hi kits in my cars (with full ballast for each). Haven't been flashed or pulled over yet.

YOOT · 24-08-2007, 05:41 PM

I believe that all cars fitted with Xenon headlamps have to have pop-up headlight washers. I have seen super long threads on other forums about them and its is mentioned in the ADR's.

JC · 24-08-2007, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by YOOT

I believe that all cars fitted with Xenon headlamps have to have pop-up headlight washers.......... its is mentioned in the ADR's.

Would you like to prove that? Porsches come standard with Xenon lights, and the washer/wiper for the headlight is an option.

Outbackjack · 24-08-2007, 06:01 PM

By coincidence I found this today.....

http://www.brightlightautoparts.com/HIDKits.html

JC · 24-08-2007, 06:09 PM

They're not cheap. The ones through EQuibs are cheaper. And then there's ebay.

BeStRaFe · 24-08-2007, 06:10 PM

i can get the kits MUUUUUUCH CHEEPER THEN THAT

Smoke Pursuit · 24-08-2007, 06:19 PM

Not legal or that efficient, will kill the lenses eventually.

BeStRaFe · 24-08-2007, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by LSTerritoryGhia

Not legal or that efficient, will kill the lenses eventually.

im contemplating putting them in the driving lights on my bumper or putting them on the hi-beam and getting the low beam kit.

decisions...

asusdragon · 24-08-2007, 07:05 PM

had 10000k in my El for bout a year no problem with the cops, other cars or damage to headlights
now got 8000K in my BA on low still havent had a problems and going to be getting a set for my driving light and hi beams soon, way better then anything else i have tried

BeStRaFe · 24-08-2007, 07:45 PM

i can sell these kits for about 250

GT-E · 24-08-2007, 10:14 PM

I have had 4300k 35w HID's in my F6 for about a year with no problems. I did have to aim the lights down heaps to stop them glaring, but had no problems.
Anyone that runs above 6000k is asking for trouble as they look VERY blue and is a magnet for cops and a yellow sticker.
HID's ARE illegal as they have no levelers and cleaning system. You cannot retro fit aftermarket HID's legally to any onroad car due to ADR's.
That being said many mods to cars are technically "illegal" and cause no issues.

YOOT · 25-08-2007, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ZapXR6T

I have had 4300k 35w HID's in my F6 for about a year with no problems. I did have to aim the lights down heaps to stop them glaring, but had no problems.
Anyone that runs above 6000k is asking for trouble as they look VERY blue and is a magnet for cops and a yellow sticker.
HID's ARE illegal as they have no levelers and cleaning system. You cannot retro fit aftermarket HID's legally to any onroad car due to ADR's.
That being said many mods to cars are technically "illegal" and cause no issues.

That would be what I am thinking of, Xenons are not the same as HIDs, its HIDs that require washers and self levelers. Which would make them illegal as a retro fit.

Having said that our forester has Bi-Xenon's with self levelers and Pop up washers. They are 4300K.

irsa76 · 25-08-2007, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by YOOT

That would be what I am thinking of, Xenons are not the same as HIDs, its HIDs that require washers and self levelers. Which would make them illegal as a retro fit.

Having said that our forester has Bi-Xenon's with self levelers and Pop up washers. They are 4300K.

WRONG!! Xenon and HID are the same thing. HID, High Intensity Disharge, is also known as Xenon arclighting. The common marketing term is HID, easy for the public to digest instead of xenon. Retrofit kits are illegal. No if, buts or maybes. To be legal they need self leveling and high pressure washers. Porsches DON'T all come with HID lights as standard, when you option HID you also get leveling and wash, which is a stand alone option with halogen lights.
Also there is other technical issues with putting a HID capsule in a halogen light unit, generally the filament is in a different position to the arc which can cause glare. While I will concede that HID drop ins produce more light then 55/60watt halogen, so does 80/130w. Which is also illegal, and more trouble some. I personally have in the past run 80/130m and 130w globes in my Commodore with 100w in my Cibies and 55w in the fogs, which don't really matter. While I had massive amount of light, I also had issues with legallity, got warned for the lights at rego, and wiring.
Before going to HID, I would spend my money on getting a decent wiring harness, I was amazed how much damage I caused to the one in my VS, and decent halogen globes. I'm currently Phillips Vision Plus in my Verada, which really can't run HID due to the crap DOT reflector, and think it was the best $70 I spent. If you really must run HID and want to do it properly, put aside at least $2,000 for parts, I've already looked into this.

GT-E · 25-08-2007, 04:28 PM

You can go to any auto store and buy Xenon globes as they are Hallogen globes with Xenon gas included, they are NOT HID's, but they are marketed as Xenon.

My brother put 80/130w in his Mazda and had an underbonnet fire because of them. I have also seen them melt plastic lenses.

Spending $2,000 on HID's seems pointless as they would not be much better than a $250 kit from ebay. While they would be better quality, you would still have an illegal setup regardless of what HID kit you went with.

irsa76 · 25-08-2007, 09:54 PM

Globes marketed as "Xenon" are as you say halogen/xenon mix. Hella calls it's HID lights xenon, in this case they are proper xenon arc discharge lights, HID to you and me.
When I said properly I meant legally. The $2,000 was for proper Bi-xenon projector light units, matching halogen hight beam light units which are required by law, self levelling and high pressure washers. All of this is required for ADR compliance. Naturally on top of this you have to install them and get them engineered. It is possible to legally fit HID lights to a vehicle not orginally fitted with them. It just takes alot of money and messing around.

I FluXx I · 26-08-2007, 12:06 AM

I dont care what globes I have. I just want that purple/blue look they give from a distance.

Whats the cheapest way to get this?