Speed

[351ciofgrunt]

Its funny how everyone is against speeding these days when its speeding that has got us to where technology is today.

[manny_papa]

thats the most intelligent thing i've read on these forums.

[GT-E]

People think that as soon as you go over the posted speed limit, you have a 99.9% of dieing. The government have "speed conditioned" us to accept the Speed taxing that speed sCameras and police like to enforce on us.
IF the government actually cared about road deaths caused by excessive speed, they would spend more money on training and limit all cars to 110km/h.
For all the moron Road Angels that jump on every speed related topic by saying that they never speed or you will not be booked if you diddn't speed, I say STFU and get a reality check.

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by ZapXR6T

People think that as soon as you go over the posted speed limit, you have a 99.9% of dieing. The government have "speed conditioned" us to accept the Speed taxing that speed sCameras and police like to enforce on us.
IF the government actually cared about road deaths caused by excessive speed, they would spend more money on training and limit all cars to 110km/h.
For all the moron Road Angels that jump on every speed related topic by saying that they never speed or you will not be booked if you diddn't speed, I say STFU and get a reality check.

When the clowns in the Victorian government started harping on with garbage like “we want to make speeding as unpopular as drink driving”, I thought that we we’d be in for some interesting days. Then the wipe of five propaganda started and I knew that it could only go downhill from there.

Thanks Bracksy. You’ve made Victoria a pr1ck of a place to drive around, thanks to 90% of people spending more time fixated to their speedos than actually concentrating on the task of driving.

[clontarf_x]

Same with most things really. It's drilled into our heads what we should and shouldn't do, and not neccesarily is it always correct

Speeding is a big one though, and as long as the lawmakers believe speed roughly equals deaths, it will continue to be enforced the way it is now

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by ZapXR6T

People think that as soon as you go over the posted speed limit, you have a 99.9% of dieing. The government have "speed conditioned" us to accept the Speed taxing that speed sCameras and police like to enforce on us.
IF the government actually cared about road deaths caused by excessive speed, they would spend more money on training and limit all cars to 110km/h.
For all the moron Road Angels that jump on every speed related topic by saying that they never speed or you will not be booked if you diddn't speed, I say STFU and get a reality check.

Once the government started selling off anything that made it $$$ (SEC, Gas & Fuel etc), they had to get the regular cash inflow from somewhere. Its like they quit their job, and youre paying their dole, and as a state, you let em quit. Hey, at least you dont need to see government employees leaning on shovels any more, thats a good thing right?

Say thanks Jeff.

[XBCoupeGuy]

I couldn't have put it better myself Jeff. That certainly rings true.

[MITCHAY]

I drive to the conditions of the road and within the capability of my car and driving skill.

Funny how some people jump up and down when someone speeds in perfectly fine conditions yet the fool doing the speed limit in blinding rain is OK because it is legal even though it may not be safe to do so :

[matt-chops]

Ponder this...

If all proceeds earned from the issuing of speeding tickets were donated to charities, would the issue be enforced to the extent that it is now?

[cowboy]

We've now been trained to be a nation of speedo watchers, not drivers.

[Green X]

Around the city I will stick to with-in 5km/h of the posted limit, Out on the Hwy in northern WA and some of the south west I will do 120-140km/h with sections of up to 160km/h if the road is empty and it's good conditions. Due to speed cameras and allot of traffic around the Perth-Margaret river aria I will stick to 120 and below.

I used to like coming back into Perth from Kalgoorlie at Night, leave Kal around 6:30pm take it easy into southern cross (Due to roos) get diner at southern cross, Then into the Farming aria's and just Hit it 130-135km/h cruse control in the 4By back to Perth 4 Spot lights blazing and just cruse. Awesome site when they are burning off the stubble after harvest at night too.

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by matt-chops

Ponder this...

If all proceeds earned from the issuing of speeding tickets were donated to charities, would the issue be enforced to the extent that it is now?

Hell it doesn't even go to where it is supposed to go now and it is enforced heaps.

I got done for speeding the other week actually. Glad I could contribute to improving roads and infrastructure *cough* more speed cameras *cough*

[normxb]

Originally Posted by ZapXR6T

People think that as soon as you go over the posted speed limit, you have a 99.9% of dieing. The government have "speed conditioned" us to accept the Speed taxing that speed sCameras and police like to enforce on us.
IF the government actually cared about road deaths caused by excessive speed, they would spend more money on training and limit all cars to 110km/h.
For all the moron Road Angels that jump on every speed related topic by saying that they never speed or you will not be booked if you diddn't speed, I say STFU and get a reality check.

Oh , Bugger , "A Moron Road Angel " here , I thought a comment like that was coming from a young guy , that I could understand and give him a year or two , to think about it . But I checked your profile ,Your about 36 ? , think I know who needs a reality check !

I guess we don't need the Police then either

Speeding is against the law , but I guess that doesn't matter, because you don't like that Law .
Can you imagine someone squeezing 120+ k's out of an old Corolla/Cortina or Daddo (down hill)"cause he's allowed to" ?

Some one shoots someone , but I guess that doesn't matter , because that guy didn't like that Law .

Someone whacks a 4 x 2 across your bonnet , backs into your car or knocks off your car , doesn't matter , because he didn't like that Law anyway .

The Law has got to start somewhere , and "that's where it starts".

Oh , do you have a wife & kids ? If you do , you mustn't be very concerned about their safety .

Yea , I've been busted a couple of times , done some dumb things , just MOST people learn as they get older . Another word is "Respect" for the Law . I don't like some of them either , but I don't go round breaking them because I don't like them .

Oh , and save you looking , yep , I'm a 53 y/o Revhead (on a race track) not on the roads .

[flappist]

Originally Posted by normxb

Oh , Bugger , "A Moron Road Angel " here , I thought a comment like that was coming from a young guy , that I could understand and give him a year or two , to think about it . But I checked your profile ,Your about 36 ? , think I know who needs a reality check !

I guess we don't need the Police then either

Speeding is against the law , but I guess that doesn't matter, because you don't like that Law .
Can you imagine someone squeezing 120+ k's out of an old Corolla/Cortina or Daddo (down hill)"cause he's allowed to" ?

Some one shoots someone , but I guess that doesn't matter , because that guy didn't like that Law .

Someone whacks a 4 x 2 across your bonnet , backs into your car or knocks off your car , doesn't matter , because he didn't like that Law anyway .

The Law has got to start somewhere , and "that's where it starts".

Oh , do you have a wife & kids ? If you do , you mustn't be very concerned about their safety .

Yea , I've been busted a couple of times , done some dumb things , just MOST people learn as they get older . Another word is "Respect" for the Law . I don't like some of them either , but I don't go round breaking them because I don't like them .

Oh , and save you looking , yep , I'm a 53 y/o Revhead (on a race track) not on the roads .

Interesting attitude Norm. Because it is the law it must be right and the Government know what is good for us?

White Australia policy? Law, but the people got rid of it.
Slavery? Nup got rid of that too, but it was LAW.
How about a licence to watch television. No, too many people objected so it was got rid of. Same with the CB licence. First prohibited, then licenced now ignored.

If you cannot judge at what speed to operate your vehicle safely in any situation and require a sign that YOU MUST OBEY, then you really don't have the skillset necessary to hold a drivers licence.

The world and society are constantly evolving and if you do not evolve with them then just like your XB you will become a relic from a bygone era.....

[needaXYGT]

I cant understand why the government builds all these great new freeways, but then slaps an 80k speed limit on em! we are driving slower than what we used to in the 70's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF. Go to the states and you'll find speed limits of 120km/h with most drivers doing 130km/h, then take a trip to Europe and find an autobarn where you can rip along as fast as you want.
In the future, most of us see fast moving machinery traveling at 200k+. Australia is heading backwards. we are one of the most governed country in the world. We are turing into a Nanny country. This is not car related, but within a decade, there are people that want to completly ban smoking in our country, next thing they'll decide drinking is to dangerous and also ban it in pubs lol.

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by needaXYGT

I cant understand why the government builds all these great new freeways, but then slaps an 80k speed limit on em!

Answer...

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[fmc351]

Originally Posted by flappist

Interesting attitude Norm. Because it is the law it must be right and the Government know what is good for us? Theres a right and wrong way. Using his example, a person may believe rape is just surprise sex, and do his bit to change that law

White Australia policy? Law, but the people got rid of it. Not by illegal immigration though. What youre talking about is anarchy
Slavery? Nup got rid of that too, but it was LAW.OK, this one was a fair point
How about a licence to watch television. No, too many people objected so it was got rid of. Same with the CB licence. First prohibited, then licenced now ignored.

If you cannot judge at what speed to operate your vehicle safely in any situation and require a sign that YOU MUST OBEY, then you really don't have the skillset necessary to hold a drivers licence. Actually if everyone drives according to the law, most accidents would disappear. Licences are for ease of movement, not for recreation of those with the skill. The skills required are a minimum set to maintain safety within the limits set by rules. Even a racetrack has rules for safety.

The world and society are constantly evolving and if you do not evolve with them then just like your XB you will become a relic from a bygone era.....

Right and wrong way.

Im not saying I agree with current limits on many roads, I like 50 in built up estate type streets though. I used to play cricket on the road, it was safe to do so, rubbish bin for wickets, kick to kick, I wish my kid could do the same. Nor am i saying that governments arent revenue raising, i actually mentioned up top why they need to. People are focused on the wrong end of the stick, nothing will improve.

theres a right and wrong way to go about it, using the leeway and expecting to do so are not the right way. In the end, you justify the removal of leeway, using your argument, if youre unable to judge the difference between actual speed and your speedo, you dont have the skillset to drive. They will just remove the leeway, you wont win that way.

Wait...this is the leeway thread isnt it?

[sleekism]

Why do the governments need more money??????

We pay tax at every farkin point in life-when I earn an income, when my work earns an income, when they employ people, when I put fuel in the car, when I buy a car, when I go shopping etc. etc. etc.

The Government must be shite at handling money what about the 250 million dollar security for APEC that was easily infiltrated or the 70 million dollar porn filter that doesn't work.

I hate to say it but Whitlam should have been kept as leader. Remember he wanted to nationalise the mines. Imagine if that had happened we would be like those Gulf nations who have 0% tax.

Can you imagine zero tax?? And don't say it couldn't happen because look a the tens of billions of dollars profit the mining giants make and all we get is a few cents per tonne and the income tax from mining workers.

Russia has recently nationalised their oil industry and are rolling in cash and within the next few years will repay their ENTIRE cold war debt (England has only just repayed their WW2 debt and America has no hope in repaying it's debt)

[GT-E]

normxb you have NFI what I was talking about. I never said that speeding is ok or that laws are not needed.

I have a wife and 2 kids, but I am very coneserned by STUPID drivers, not ones who are exceeding the speedlimit. Stupid drivers are the biggest danger on our roads. They are the ones driving by looking only 6ft in front of their car and consitantly looking at their speedo. Are you are stupid driver Norm ?
Smart drivers can judge the conditions and make an intelligent decision as to how fast they should drive.

I said that the governments are feeding us BS about speeding and taxing us when we exceed the speedlimit by only a fraction.
Most people used to drive to the conditions. I have driven on roads in torrential rain that had a 60km/h limit. Was it safe to drive at 60km/h, NO, did I slow down, yep as it was dangerous, as did most of the other cars. This is because we are human and do not really want to die and can judge the conditions, not just be sheep and blindly follow a recommended limit.
Then there is a 3 lane freeway at 3am in the morning where there is no traffic. Is 130km/h safe ? yes if the conditions are right, but you can bet there will be a tax enforcement officer there with a camera ready to fine you for being a criminal.
The whole system of speed enforcement SUCKS
Laws are required, but rather than trying to make us better drivers the governemnt have attached a leech to our wallets and make up a BS excuse that it is for ROAD SAFETY.
Norm, I suggest you open you eyes and realise that you and all of us are being taken for a ride when it comes to road safety and speeding. They are not linked in any way except by the governments as a great way to tax us by stealth.

[normxb]

Originally Posted by 351ciofgrunt

Its funny how everyone is against speeding these days when its speeding that has got us to where technology is today.

Yep , 351 , I'll agree with you there . but where is this technology experimented with , tested & perfected ?
Formula 1 , (as in Toyota , Ferrari etc.) Bathurst , Sandown , Oran Park and all the other Aussie Tracks and on Ford and Holden testing grounds .Ooops sorry Outback , and "Used to be NT", supposed that's finished now). I have never seen a Ford or Holden being tested on the Hume or any other Highway .

Originally Posted by ZapXR6T

normxb you have NFI what I was talking about. I never said that speeding is ok or that laws are not needed.
I have a wife and 2 kids, but I am very concerned by STUPID drivers, not ones who are exceeding the speedlimit. Stupid drivers are the biggest danger on our roads. They are the ones driving by looking only 6ft in front of their car and consistently looking at their speedo. Are you are stupid driver Norm ?
Smart drivers can judge the conditions and make an intelligent decision as to how fast they should drive..

Ok Zap , I apologise , I mostly see where you're coming from now . (I'm never afraid to say sorry) I follow your Stupid drivers " bit , but I still don't agree with excessive speed on the road . If you happened to have read a post I put up a couple of day's ago , you'd realise why (thread about the guy doing 110k "over" the limit in WA, on PUB page 2 now), Great freeway's with a 80k limit = "Stupid" , 100 - 110k's Ok . you've got to account for the "Stupid Drivers" and unsafe cars .
One of my Uncles was killed by excessive speed , bout 1-30am at night in WA . Uncle Chris would have been going probably 100 - 105k's over a slight rise , the young guy coming the other way , well he was doing 185k's ? and he was 1/3 on my uncles side of the road . ALL the guys mates said "How could this happen , he is such a good driver" My uncle was in his 70's and the guy who hit him said , "the old bastard shouldn't be on the road ? ?"

I don't think I'm a "Stupid driver" , you soon get the feeling of a car at a certain speed and hover around there . When you're driving a race car there "ain't no speedo" all done on feel , conditions & judgement , I never smashed my car in 12 years of racing , and at 200k's+ on a track , the road gets very narrow with another car along side you at the same speed and going into a corner under heaps of brakes needs pretty good judgement , just ask other members on here who race .

flappist I was a bit harsh on Zap (bit of a misunderstanding), I admitted to that , but won't bother replying to most of your post , I think "fmc351" (thanks mate) could basically see where i was coming from , even if you can't . Only thing I will say is why I have an XB "relic". In 1999 my father had his licence taken off him , 80 yrs old & medically unfit, he bought the XB new in 1974 and it was his "pride & joy" . for the following 6 years if he wanted/needed to go anywhere , I drove him in his own car until he died in 2005 ! When I went with Mum to sort out his will , everything was left to her , that was cool . But it was the piece added on the bottom that knocked me for a 6 . It basically said " Upon my death , my 1974 Ford Futura 302 Rego No xxx-xxx is to be left to my son Norm as he knows how much the car meant to me," So old relic or not , I'm bl**dy proud of that car .

Norm

[Pedro]

Originally Posted by clontarf_x

Same with most things really. It's drilled into our heads what we should and shouldn't do, and not neccesarily is it always correct

Speeding is a big one though, and as long as the lawmakers believe speed roughly equals deaths, it will continue to be enforced the way it is now

The agony of it is, that the lawmakers know it's not the major cause of death .. their own statistics tell them this. What they also know is that it's an ever increasing $$$$ earner and is in fact a tax by stealth.

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by normxb

. Only thing I will say is why I have an XB "relic". In 1999 my father had his licence taken off him , 80 yrs old & medically unfit, he bought the XB new in 1974 and it was his "pride & joy" . for the following 6 years if he wanted/needed to go anywhere , I drove him in his own car until he died in 2005 ! When I went with Mum to sort out his will , everything was left to her , that was cool . But it was the piece added on the bottom that knocked me for a 6 . It basically said " Upon my death , my 1974 Ford Futura 302 Rego No xxx-xxx is to be left to my son Norm as he knows how much the car meant to me," So old relic or not , I'm bl**dy proud of that car .

Norm

Thats a good story Norm, I like that. BTW, yes ALL road testing has stopped in the NT. A freind of my daughter works at the hotel where the ford guys would stay when testing up here. Ford had a booking for 9 guys back in May this year, but that got cancelled when the NT gov refused to give these guys and kind of dispenstaion on the new ultra safe speed limits.....

There is an interesting point with regards to speed as well. We get limits, fines double, demerit points are introduced. And the road toll increases. Makes me wonder if these southern road safety "experts" know Jackshite about road safety.

[Franky]

My 5c I find the most dangerous drivers on the roads are not those that exceed the speed limit by 20-30km but the ones going considerably slower than the posted limit. Especially in country roads with steep hills, blind spots and tight corners I always find these drivers incrediably dangerous.

That being said I still believe there should be no limit roads but only on freeways. I also think that 3km/h over the limit is dangerous; not because your exceeding the speed but because you constantly have to take your eyes of the road to look at the speedo just incase theres a camera set up.

[Keepleft]

Meh - at least some US jurisdictions have a reasonable or personable approach, Court TV traffic matter links from another forum, compare to this place:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfLt9yURqlE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdsxiBtUhTk


Franky wrote: -

That being said I still believe there should be no limit roads but only on freeways.

This cannot happen unless freeway medians are barriered AND "emergency service only" U-Turn bays gatelocked or removed. Even then, such a move is not likely within an urban freeway network.

Intercity dual carriageway roads are not necessarily freeway construction either, these will have intersections rather than interchanges, so no (//) here either.

You would more likely see (//) on certain higher standard 'remote' rural highways.

Before doing this stuff, we must first tighten primary vehicle equipment list and overhaul the NVS relating to tyres which currently allows the fitment of tyres with a speed rating less than the vehicles top speed performance.

[The Stylist]

Originally Posted by cowboy

We've now been trained to be a nation of speedo watchers, not drivers.

Agreed 100%, no matter how much cotton wool you wrap around a lot of drivers they will still manage to kill themselves. The focus should be on educating the nut behind the wheel, and I'm not talking about speed either.

[Fantome]

As the captain of a Rural Fire Brigade, I have had to attend speed related MVA's many times. After you have watched the ambo's scrape some guy's grey-matter of the seat of his car or seen the devestation on the face of the truckie who would be haunted by an accident that was not his fault but the fault of a driver who overestimated his driving ability, then maybe you start thinking that speed limits are not such a bad idea. As a mum to 4 kids (2 with 'P' plates) I believe that it's not the condition of the road that dictates the speed we should drive at but the unpredictable 'others' on the road eg. roos, livestock, caravans, wide loads and the people who think they can drive but are not as good as they think they are.

[LTDHO]

I do not believe 'Speed Kills'
I does contribute though, as does many other things..

If it seriously caused death, speedo's in cars would still be 270 degree's and read up to 110 with 1kmh increments. Cars would also have a lower speed limiter.

But we all know it government garbage

[irlewy86]

I drive to the conditions and rarely find myself doing no more than 40km/h around town. When I hit the open highway I usually just set the cruise control sit back and just watch the road. Speed limits have been devised by road saftey experts for a reason, they are the maximum allowable speed.

Saying that though I've been caught speeding I think its unreasonable to have people driving around worrying about their exact speed.

The policy for road safety should be taken out of the hands of the government and decided by an independant body made up of people who actually know what they are talking about.

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by irlewy86

The policy for road safety should be taken out of the hands of the government and decided by an independant body made up of people who actually know what they are talking about.

You mean, like, Harold Scruby??? If he had his way, we would all be riding tricycles..... :

I think that this is already how it is done.....

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by Fantome

As the captain of a Rural Fire Brigade, I have had to attend speed related MVA's many times. After you have watched the ambo's scrape some guy's grey-matter of the seat of his car or seen the devestation on the face of the truckie who would be haunted by an accident that was not his fault but the fault of a driver who overestimated his driving ability, then maybe you start thinking that speed limits are not such a bad idea. As a mum to 4 kids (2 with 'P' plates) I believe that it's not the condition of the road that dictates the speed we should drive at but the unpredictable 'others' on the road eg. roos, livestock, caravans, wide loads and the people who think they can drive but are not as good as they think they are.

I find it interesting that people just ignore posts like this. Youll get these comments from nearly everyone involved in such a position. Someone who probably really does have a clue, yet is totally ignored. Thats the thing with roads, its the unexpected, they are unpredictable, there are no marshals waving flags. Even a racetrack has these safety systems, and limits in pitlane, how would you get similar on the road?

You can lead a horse to water, but you cant stop it ****ing in it while it drinks.