Medicinal Cannabis

[Mr_G6ET]

'TGA interim decision for over-the-counter access to medicinal cannabis'

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...b5c15a54b86838

In oil and gas (LNG construction) 20 odd yrs ago, we pioneered random testing. When they bought that in, the people going on RnR could no longer use pot, instead they started using meth, ecstasy and heroin because it would leave the system faster
If they used saliva testing on site like the police today, they wouldn't have unwittingly 'encouraged' / 'pushed' people to the harder drugs.

Meth, ecstasy and heroin are between less than a week detectable in a urine, sample, pot is more than 4 weeks.



Opinions ?

[redxm]

f me. Can't buy panadol osteo without a drama but we can buy this. Enough zombies around now.

I have no doubt it has it's uses but over the counter without monitoring ????

[98TLS]

Fuk me Not going to debate its medicinal value as its way over my pay scale but have no interest in working were i do with the machinery we do alongside some clown kickin back after a medicinal hooter,speaking from experience the comment re the length of time it stays in ya system drove blokes to up the level means squat to be fair,simply put from my perspective if at whatever level you need to get smashed to get by then dont work and whilst at it dont drive theres enough **** drivers on the roads already.

[ratter]

My doctor told me a few years ago that the legal to purchase product has been extracted in a way that a user would not get of the high etc, only pain relief.

[Mr_G6ET]

Originally Posted by 98TLS

Fuk me Not going to debate its medicinal value as its way over my pay scale but have no interest in working were i do with the machinery we do alongside some clown kickin back after a medicinal hooter,speaking from experience the comment re the length of time it stays in ya system drove blokes to up the level means squat to be fair,simply put from my perspective if at whatever level you need to get smashed to get by then dont work and whilst at it dont drive theres enough **** drivers on the roads already.

Well, no need for debate on medicinal value, there is enough proof out there; to disagree would be to be without the facts.
Driving; whats the difference with alcohol or meth ? No high speed chase known has been due to pot.

[Mr_G6ET]

Originally Posted by ratter

My doctor told me a few years ago that the legal to purchase product has been extracted in a way that a user would not get of the high etc, only pain relief.

THC is the stoned bit, the CBD is the medicinal bit.

Shortish read but does explain here

That said, they are talking about allowing you to grow plants yourself

[CoupeKing]

Get in on it. It will eventually be a big industry here and possibly it's cousin Hemp.

Low carb or carb free foods/snacks will be big too.

Imagine eating a small pizza,bowl of spaghetti, garlic bread (that tastes/texture 75% to the real thing) and you consume 90% less carbs?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Mr_G6ET

'TGA interim decision for over-the-counter access to medicinal cannabis'

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...b5c15a54b86838

In oil and gas (LNG construction) 20 odd yrs ago, we pioneered random testing. When they bought that in, the people going on RnR could no longer use pot, instead they started using meth, ecstasy and heroin because it would leave the system faster
If they used saliva testing on site like the police today, they wouldn't have unwittingly 'encouraged' / 'pushed' people to the harder drugs.

Meth, ecstasy and heroin are between less than a week detectable in a urine, sample, pot is more than 4 weeks.



Opinions ?

I support it because I own shares in a few medicinal cannabis companies

[Mr_G6ET]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I support it because I own shares in a few medicinal cannabis companies

As you are no doubt aware, it is a part of the future regardless of what uninformed (no offence intended) people think.
Proven, just Govt bull**** stands in the way

[MITCHAY]

They decriminalised it here in the ACT early this year for personal use not just medicinal with certain caveats https://www.act.gov.au/cannabis/home

Though there is a grey area with federal law but so far have not heard of any issues. Which surely we would have heard about by now

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

Get in on it. It will eventually be a big industry here and possibly it's cousin Hemp.

Low carb or carb free foods/snacks will be big too.

Imagine eating a small pizza,bowl of spaghetti, garlic bread (that tastes/texture 75% to the real thing) and you consume 90% less carbs?

Yeah but then an hour later you are down at the 7/11 buying 3 packs of Doritos and a microwave hamburger.

[Charliewool]

Huge here amongst the pensioner aged expats!
For everything that ails you.. (and even if nothing ails you!)
Mostly edibles... Cookies, brownies, even jello babies!
The Mrs spends a day or so a week making the butter out of weed and coconut oil.. Then made into chocky chip cookies!
Going rate is 40 cookies = US$100

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Huge here amongst the pensioner aged expats!
For everything that ails you.. (and even if nothing ails you!)
Mostly edibles... Cookies, brownies, even jello babies!
The Mrs spends a day or so a week making the butter out of weed and coconut oil.. Then made into chocky chip cookies!
Going rate is 40 cookies = US$100

If and when I make it to retirement I would like to have a sneaky joint daily. No punching cones for me

I'd like to think we could sort it out by then but for some reason we elect some dumb ****s who are incapable of doing anything

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

Get in on it. It will eventually be a big industry here and possibly it's cousin Hemp.

Low carb or carb free foods/snacks will be big too.

Imagine eating a small pizza,bowl of spaghetti, garlic bread (that tastes/texture 75% to the real thing) and you consume 90% less carbs?

the State Governments plantation is being built near my town

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Huge here amongst the pensioner aged expats!
For everything that ails you.. (and even if nothing ails you!)
Mostly edibles... Cookies, brownies, even jello babies!
The Mrs spends a day or so a week making the butter out of weed and coconut oil.. Then made into chocky chip cookies!
Going rate is 40 cookies = US$100

.....

Are you looking for investors? We could go professional, maybe expand the operation into coca plants for their 'therapeutic' benefits

[Mr_G6ET]

Yeah, full respect for the straight people that dont want/need to use marijuana but the best situation IMO is get the legal **** sorted and bring it on
Of course, western australia will have to wait a while so our pollies can further question global opinion, pretending to know more (as they always do) .

The amount of time, money and effort the cops spend is stupid.
Jails are half full of 'criminals' due to pot. Sellers, traffickers yes but they too go away when it's available without the 'cloak and dagger' stuff.

[Franco Cozzo]

I have two friends who are buying CBD on the black market to manage endometriosis as the process to get the prescription is OTT and it's expensive

[Mr_G6ET]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I have two friends who are buying CBD on the black market to manage endometriosis as the process to get the prescription is OTT and it's expensive

I would have thought that if available, through a Doctor would be relatively affordable.
More bull**** from the Gov finding a way to tax it.

A lot of people dont like to smoke and it's THC and CBD' but making oil is easy. Edibles are easy to make.
Separating the THC and CBD is the hard bit, I would have thought they are better off getting a little stoned

[Rallye Sport]

Originally Posted by Mr_G6ET

I would have thought that if available, through a Doctor would be relatively affordable.
More bull**** from the Gov finding a way to tax it.

A lot of people dont like to smoke and it's THC and CBD' but making oil is easy. Edibles are easy to make.
Separating the THC and CBD is the hard bit, I would have thought they are better off getting a little stoned

Its not that hard you just grow a low THC / high CBD strain. The plant breeding and selection is already out there.
Cannabis is a really interesting plant and is by far the most genetically modified plant in modern times.

[Crazy Dazz]

Most modern medicine has its roots in natural remedies. Doctors are not opposed to natural remedies, most will tell you that the start to a healthy diet is fresh vegetables and fruit. The most widely used powerful pain relievers were originally derived from opium, and many products still use commercially grown poppies.
Yet the medical profession as a whole maintains there is no therapeutic benefit from Cannabis.

Anything with remotely medicinal properties has long since been extracted, purified, and synthesised. Every year big pharma spends billions testing everything from noxious weeds to spider-venom. They have tested every conceivable derivative of cannabis and found nothing they can sell. WTF does that tell you.

Off course the intaweb is full of people claiming all sorts of miracle cures from cannabis, and many other people reporting those claims as "fact".
So what else is new?
There's a billion people in China who think Rhino-Horn is an aphrodisiac, people who believe you can cure all manner of illnesses with aromatic oils, or by shoving a hose up your ****, etc, etc.
So forgive me if I still insist on getting my medical information from the medical and scientific experts, rather than from some dude on the internet.

This is not to say that there aren't some beneficial side-affects from cannabis, but the utterly bizarre thing is those people who refuse to take medication that actually does the job, but will instead subject themselves to the risks associated with cannabis.
My Dad went through years of chemo. It made him puke, so the doctor game him anti-nausea medication. Problem solved.

For people who have abnormally suppressed appetites, cannabis products can "help" because they act on those particular receptors in the brain. (aka "the munchies") But other safer drugs can do the same thing.

The biggest problem with the debate is that most proponents of "medicinal" cannabis are also those who enjoy getting stoned, and argue for the legalisation of recreational cannabis. So they are not exactly unbiased.

And the biggest problem with "medicinal" cannabis, is that its a joke. Look at anywhere its been legalised in the USA. Stoners can go to a "medicinal" pot outlet and buy any damn variety they choose.

I cannot say that pot screws up everyone who uses it. One study established a 90% correlation between psychotic mental illnesses, and a history of pot use. But that was saying that 90% of psychos had used pot, no indication of what % of pot user become psychos.
One argument being that it only triggers those with an underlying predisposition.
I have unfortunately known a few people who have screwed themselves up with pot, and become psychotic, paranoid, and in some cases schitzo.
But again, I don't know how many pot users I may have known who didn't develop any symptoms.

[Mr_G6ET]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Most modern medicine has its roots in natural remedies.

Yup, smoking a hundred cones a week will **** you up. Some ****s cant control themselves.
Legal, why does the pharmacy have stoner material ? Go to the liquor outlet and knock yourself out.

'My Dad went through years of chemo. It made him puke, so the doctor game him anti-nausea medication. Problem solved. maybe relevant, have a stone on


Study a little on the effects of CBD, sounds like you could do with some. New profile 'Not So Crazy Dazz'

Oh, if you are a nutter, don't drink alcohol

[Bushbasher]

Hey Dazz, this is just for you


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAdDdTZuNA8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgX4zwiYvDM


Please do some real research before shooting from the hip and regurgitating big brothers propaganda Dazz. That is only a couple of examples with one affliction, there are many many more examples with many many more afflictions that the hundreds of compounds in cannabis can and does treat without the toxic side effects of "modern medicines".

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Bushbasher

Please do some real research

real research != youtube

[Mulva]

Mate that moved to "Canadia" made an absolute killing in last 18 months on weed stocks

[Mr_G6ET]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Most modern medicine has its roots in natural remedies. Doctors are not opposed to natural remedies, most will tell you that the start to a healthy diet is fresh vegetables and fruit. The most widely used powerful pain relievers were originally derived from opium, and many products still use commercially grown poppies.
Yet the medical profession as a whole maintains there is no therapeutic benefit from Cannabis.

Anything with remotely medicinal properties has long since been extracted, purified, and synthesised. Every year big pharma spends billions testing everything from noxious weeds to spider-venom. They have tested every conceivable derivative of cannabis and found nothing they can sell. WTF does that tell you.

Off course the intaweb is full of people claiming all sorts of miracle cures from cannabis, and many other people reporting those claims as "fact".
So what else is new?
There's a billion people in China who think Rhino-Horn is an aphrodisiac, people who believe you can cure all manner of illnesses with aromatic oils, or by shoving a hose up your ****, etc, etc.
So forgive me if I still insist on getting my medical information from the medical and scientific experts, rather than from some dude on the internet.

This is not to say that there aren't some beneficial side-affects from cannabis, but the utterly bizarre thing is those people who refuse to take medication that actually does the job, but will instead subject themselves to the risks associated with cannabis.
My Dad went through years of chemo. It made him puke, so the doctor game him anti-nausea medication. Problem solved.

For people who have abnormally suppressed appetites, cannabis products can "help" because they act on those particular receptors in the brain. (aka "the munchies") But other safer drugs can do the same thing.

The biggest problem with the debate is that most proponents of "medicinal" cannabis are also those who enjoy getting stoned, and argue for the legalisation of recreational cannabis. So they are not exactly unbiased.

And the biggest problem with "medicinal" cannabis, is that its a joke. Look at anywhere its been legalised in the USA. Stoners can go to a "medicinal" pot outlet and buy any damn variety they choose.

I cannot say that pot screws up everyone who uses it. One study established a 90% correlation between psychotic mental illnesses, and a history of pot use. But that was saying that 90% of psychos had used pot, no indication of what % of pot user become psychos.
One argument being that it only triggers those with an underlying predisposition.
I have unfortunately known a few people who have screwed themselves up with pot, and become psychotic, paranoid, and in some cases schitzo.
But again, I don't know how many pot users I may have known who didn't develop any symptoms.

So many things here.
Why do doctors now prescribe CBD ? 5,270 cases last month, 5,564 the month before; ; 61,000 to date. It was allowed post the National Drugs Amendment Act 2016

Users wanting it legal, the title of the thread is 'Medicinal Cannabis'

.... people getting screwed up from THC etc. ; that is simply improper /excess use. The deaths from alcohol each year is massive, > 6,000, likely a small fraction. attributed to pot use yet alcohol is legal. I suggest the ability to tax it is a lot of the reason.
Quote: 'In 2018, there were 264 drug-induced deaths where cannabinoids were present. Compared with other licit and illicit drugs, cannabinoids are less frequently present in drug-induced deaths'

To date, the TGA has approved SAS applications including, but not limited to, the following indications:

• chemotherapy-induced nausea and vomiting
• refractory paediatric epilepsy
• palliative care indications
• cancer pain
• neuropathic pain
• spasticity from neurological conditions
• anorexia and wasting associated with chronic illness (such as cancer).

[Bushbasher]

Originally Posted by b0son

real research != youtube

That wasn't research, that was just a quick 30 second search for something I knew would have existed that are just 2 examples of cannabis helping the afflicted in direct contradiction to Dazz's view point.

[Mr_G6ET]

How's this for change ....

https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes...050541961.html

[paule11]

Its going to happen government needs to replace income form tobacco . when I was getting chemotherapy talked to doctors about it they were no help chemo was that bad that i would have a teaspoon oif water and vomit any food i would vomit and taking antinausea medication i would vomit. Know someone who has worse cancer and been treated lot longer seem to be going ok I know they have a few dope plants in their back yard

[Mulva]

My old man had neuropathy (nerve pain) in his lower legs after lots of chemo - smoking dope was the only thing that made his final year bearable (he'd tried everything else medical science and alternative medicines could offer).

[Electrolyte Burns]

Wondering why it's called "Alternative" medicine. It was the only medicine for thousands of years until big pharma came along.

https://jackherer.com/emperor-3/