Which brakes?

oneredED · 07-11-2005, 11:17 AM

Ok, after the which clutch thread I just made (sorry, I am a whore today), I'd like to know what brakes alot of you run out there? I'm especially interested in anyone who's upgraded their brakes substantially for track days etc.

These are my DBA rotors as of 10 minutes ago. I run Bendix Advance pads. The rotors are less than 12 months old i think. The car hasn't been driven since saturday, hence the rust spots. But yeah, to me they look stuffed.

I did make a thread in the tech forums, but i'm interested in everyones e-series brakes.

Kenaz · 07-11-2005, 11:28 AM

G'day Jared, I just run DBA standard rotors and Bendix Advance pads. Nothing special.

Your rotors look pretty bad, unfortunately I've heard that's pretty common with them

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parawolf · 07-11-2005, 11:31 AM

I'm looking at buying an ED XR6 -> EL XR6 for a club race car... and I was going to upgrade to these:

http://www.cebcobrakes.com.au/files/uploads/FAL114.XLS

Front brakes only, 4 PIston AP Racing calipers, 330x28MM slotted 2 piece rotor (DBA 5000 if you ask them), plus all the good bits like braided hoses, upper and lower ball joints and parts required to fit. Complete with certificate of engineering compliance for RWC or whatever.

Not cheap at $4k though.

Gunns · 07-11-2005, 11:43 AM

Dam! never had that happen to my rotors.

There have been a few EL GT/FBT twin pot setups up for sale in the past 6 months for under a grand, which will bolt straight up to your ED.

oneredED · 07-11-2005, 01:09 PM

EL GT/FBT twin pot's sounds like a good budget option thanks Al. I don't need 4 piston calipers, as my car barely makes 215kmh. The brakes wash speed off in an awesome fashion, and I don't get fade, it's just that they are overheating something chronic as far as i can tell. The base model slotted DBA's aren't much chop as far as I'm concerned. They've been like that for around 3 or 4 months, and i've been babying them since trying to find (and fund) a suitable replacement. Does anyone run 4000 series DBA rotors? I cannot find a part number for them in the DBA catalogue (to fit e-series).

oneredED · 07-11-2005, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Gunns

Dam! never had that happen to my rotors.

You must treat your brakes too nicely :P like they should be treated, mine are stuffed for a good reason ;)

chich · 07-11-2005, 01:23 PM

Try the DBA heated treated rotors.. I run the un-slotted version on my Fairmont and they work a treat. In regards to pads I run Bendix ultimates... very very dusty but the thing actually stops and it takes serious punishment to get the brakes to fade. Pad longevity is also an issue as i only got 11-12k kms from my last set.

oneredED · 07-11-2005, 01:30 PM

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Try the DBA heated treated rotors.. I run the un-slotted version on my Fairmont and they work a treat. In regards to pads I run Bendix ultimates... very very dusty but the thing actually stops and it takes serious punishment to get the brakes to fade. Pad longevity is also an issue as i only got 11-12k kms from my last set.

I only have Bendix Advance pads, as I do a lot of bumper to bumper city driving now as well as the fast stuff, and I was told Ultimates wouldnt suit the slower driving and would be noisy. Mine are very dusty too, but I can only get them to fade with a full car load of stuff, and doing repeated high speed stops, which is something that pretty much never happens, and so I felt they were adequate. I will look into the heat treated rotors, thanks chich ;)

jabba · 07-11-2005, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by parawolf

I'm looking at buying an ED XR6 -> EL XR6 for a club race car... and I was going to upgrade to these:

http://www.cebcobrakes.com.au/files/uploads/FAL114.XLS

Front brakes only, 4 PIston AP Racing calipers, 330x28MM slotted 2 piece rotor (DBA 5000 if you ask them), plus all the good bits like braided hoses, upper and lower ball joints and parts required to fit. Complete with certificate of engineering compliance for RWC or whatever.

Not cheap at $4k though.

Not Cheap. I think that is a bloody good deal. Good to see your going the big brakes... some people make me wonder, They put all the go fast part on, but forget about the most important safty feature in the car. THE BRAKES.

EFFalcon · 07-11-2005, 01:55 PM

or they realise that $4k for a break package is insane compared to the $2k they've spent on the go fast bits.
a lot more people would get that kinda kit if it was better priced, especially when you considering the cars are only worth about $10k

oneredED · 07-11-2005, 02:13 PM

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or they realise that $4k for a break package is insane compared to the $2k they've spent on the go fast bits.
a lot more people would get that kinda kit if it was better priced, especially when you considering the cars are only worth about $10k

I would love to have that cebco kit, but I can't justify spending $4k on a $4000 car. A brake kit around $2k, I could see myself getting, but my car is a sub 100rwkw slow POS and i don't think my car is capable (and won't be for a a few years at least) of speeds to fully utilise the 4 piston calipers.

Thanks for the input guys, keep it coming. I want to see pics of people's track setups too, because I want to see wha they look like as well as peform, because cool looks is important too ;):P

parawolf · 07-11-2005, 02:49 PM

*shrugs* depends on how serious you are on those racing meets. 4 Pistons mean seriously late breaking i'd suggest. Plus i'm pretty sure that you could upgrade that disc size very easily to either wider or larger (or both).

All depends on how many 10ths you are running. 8/10ths and the EL GT kit (which cebco also do) would prolly be fine. But if you are running 10/10ths then you aren't really caring about what costs are involved. But then again you probably aren't running an E-Series either.

oneredED · 07-11-2005, 03:26 PM

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But if you are running 10/10ths then you aren't really caring about what costs are involved. But then again you probably aren't running an E-Series either.

That was my train of thought too. If i had a 500hp 347 XR8 sprint, then I'd definately consider spending $4k on brakes. BUT I simply cannot see my car needing those brakes just yet. It's like putting a 9" in a 1600cc gemini. Thanks for your help though parawolf, it is appreciated

XRated · 07-11-2005, 03:34 PM

Fordmods are meant to be getting twin piston sets made for a decent price.

Also, try EBC Greenstuff pads next, I've only heard good things about them. I used to use the Ultimates and they made lots of dust and ran out quickly. I put in Bendix CT pads, but they don't pull up as good as the Ultimates.

EFFalcon · 07-11-2005, 03:35 PM

the only issue with the fordmods (CMS) setups are that you need different wheels front rear due to the offset issues.

oneredED · 07-11-2005, 03:55 PM

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the only issue with the fordmods (CMS) setups are that you need different wheels front rear due to the offset issues.

Oh no! I can't change wheels! They make my car what it is :P

Has someone got a link to the fordmods brake thread?

chich · 07-11-2005, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by XRated

Fordmods are meant to be getting twin piston sets made for a decent price.

Also, try EBC Greenstuff pads next, I've only heard good things about them. I used to use the Ultimates and they made lots of dust and ran out quickly. I put in Bendix CT pads, but they don't pull up as good as the Ultimates.

I'd stay away from the EBC greenstuff pads. They break down and pit the disc which leads to an inbalanced rotor - means sterring wheel will wonder around when you brake, similar to when the rotor is warped. Only way to rectify this problem is to constantly machine the rotor.

For what they are the ultimates are fairly good. A friend of mine runs his wrx with race brakes (company in melbourne) pads on standard rotors and they just about put you through the windscreen when provoked

: . They squeel when cold & sometimes when hot however there is no dust and no brake fade - just waiting to see how harsh they are on the disc before i go out and buy a set for myself.

Clarke AV · 08-11-2005, 08:48 AM

Run DBA standard rotors and Bendix Advance pads works for me

parawolf · 08-11-2005, 08:56 AM

You race a stock 93 ED Fairmont wagon?

Clarke AV · 08-11-2005, 08:59 AM

Its Not stock he he he

NZ · 08-11-2005, 10:10 AM

I've had stock rotors do that. One had a large crack that was the width of my thumb nail by the time it got to the edge. That made a fair bit of thumping when the brakes were applied.

gozza · 08-11-2005, 10:24 AM

sorry to be a hijacker
but ill be needing brakes soon
was gonna go dba standards with bendix advance pads......but the main thing i really want is brakes that don't make any damn noise...i don't care if they don't work too great cos im never going any where fast enough to need great brakes.....any suggestions?

parawolf · 08-11-2005, 10:49 AM

Gozza: don't get slotted (grooved) discs then. The slots cut into the disc can cause more vibration and more noise than flat discs.

gozza · 08-11-2005, 11:40 AM

yeah i wasdn't going to anyway
i heard your worse off getting slooted/cross drilled in the same size cos of less metal...
i'll defiantely get dba standards....just wanting to know if theres a pad cheaper then bendix advance..or any pad that is good enough but doesn't make any noise...i dont' care about dust

oneredED · 08-11-2005, 04:02 PM

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yeah i wasdn't going to anyway
i heard your worse off getting slooted/cross drilled in the same size cos of less metal...
i'll defiantely get dba standards....just wanting to know if theres a pad cheaper then bendix advance..or any pad that is good enough but doesn't make any noise...i dont' care about dust

The bendix advance's are good noise wise, and are around 70 bucks retail i think, or roughy 40 trade price. (prices are for a set for the front). Too expensive? There are other pads for around 40 bucks, not sure of the brand, and they're not terrible, but when i used them i found them noisy and they don't peform nearly as well...

gozza · 08-11-2005, 04:15 PM

well i'll go the bendix..was going to...but i thought since i only care about noise there might be a cheaper solution....but stuff it... ill go the advance

OED666 · 08-11-2005, 04:41 PM

UNR8D had standard rotors that had cracks and they were purple... I bought UNR8D, !Gn|T|0n and myself x drilled and slotted rotors... UNR8D's are stuffed, !Gn|T|0n has developed a brake sudder, and mine are ok... i thoguth i had cracks after powercruise, but they are fine, yet the rears were smoking and purple after many flying laps... front pads are very worn.

i run metal king plus pads as well.

Rollin also had x drilled and slotted and he had massive cracks, you could see through...