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Still using the same 1.5L Ecoboost engine at 92KW as the WZ Fiesta Sport.
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My son had the choice of the 3cyl 1 litre turbo or 1.5 litre NA in his Fiesta (he took the 1.5 litre NA, it's not a bad engine). That would make it worthwhile, alas it says in the Drive article that it's the 3cyl 1 litre turbo... |
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So looking at this 'ST-line' Puma: - Based on Fiesta platform - Uses 1.0L 3 cyl turbo Ecoboost same as WZ Fiesta Sport - Larger car, same engine, same power. So really its a Fiesta on stilts using the same engine as 6 years ago, except it'll handle worse, use more fuel and go slower: https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/det...se-ad-6420774/ This is like the Thailand Special of SUVs. Whats this trend of devaluing the 'ST' badge by naming everything 'ST Line'? They've done it with the Mustang name with that new Mustang SUV thing too. Might see an 'F350-line' Ranger or something soon that has fancy seats and a 240V inverter in the dash thats a $17,500 option package and we'll wheel out the old 4.0L V6 from the Ford Courier from 15 years ago as the 'performance' option. The only thing I hate more than SUV's are people who bastardise Pizza, its supposed to have **** all on it and a thin base! SUV's are the pizza ham topping, with egg, pineapple and all sorts of other nonsense that appear on Pizzas, give me the margherita and maybe chuck some fresh basil on it. Ford has nothing to aspire to anymore, the only thing they have is a bunch of wishy washy SUVs, a ute with two wheezy diesel engines (one of which has been around for 9 years) and have no entry point for a young kid to buy into the Ford family as there is nothing under $30K on the market with a Ford badge. I got my start into the Ford family with an $18,000 DA WS Fiesta I bought new when I was 17. There is nothing for the next 17 year old Franco to get their foot in the door to become a consistent Ford customer. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 04-10-2020 at 01:39 AM. |
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I am hearing you big damo.
After an LR LS LT LZ and a WT fiesta in between I recently traded the LZ on a new Skoda Fabia wagon 1.0 70kw /160 nm five speed manual $18990, drive away. the ultimate tight **** car as far as buy price goes. Had Ford still been selling Fiesta it would be a Ford. If Ford had been selling a 23k 6 speed manual SA focus I may have stretched to that number. But no Ford is now a plus 30k car seller and locked and loaded on SUV,s/dual cabs. Cant blame them on SUV and dual cab focus as that is what 75 per cent of the market is buying. but yeah for guys like you and me that loved our 4 cylinder reasonably priced Fords for their handling and the TDCI stuffed in the LT with a six speed manual we have been left high and dry. My daughter wants to trade her 2015 Corolla. I ve suggested she look at Cerato I30 Polo Fabia. i told her Toyota and Ford are overpriced. She just wants A to B transport anyway. |
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Fiesta ST, Focus ST and 5 Mustang variants to choose from, desirable performance cars spread across a wide range of price points. This is more than many other brands on the market. ![]() ![]() ![]()
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We've got a WZ Fiesta ST with the Mountune package in our family, its nothing special, its literally a muscled up version of my first car and its the daily driver of a 60 year old man, its a good car but its not something I'd call impressive or consider 'aspirational', nor is the new one worth the 'Ford Performance' branding by any mark (also 5 doors only, WTF?). Maybe the Mustang, but again its not an aspirational car for someone younger than a baby boomer or older Gen X - that brand means nothing to me, the one that has a connection with me (ST) they're slapping on 92KW SUVs with a whole 170NM of twist, what are they doing to get a Generation Z buyer on the hook? Mercedes is a brand which is on point and you can see it with this premium brand sitting in the top 10 sales figures, they've got everything covered - this is a big turnaround of a brand that's gone from appealing only to salty old white men with their ugly cars from the 1990s/00s to suddenly appealing to younger buyers in the past 10 years with a design language change and a huge range of models, albeit at a higher price point, but it has the badge for it - the amount of younger people you see driving about in new Mercs in Melbourne is nuts. They have a range that covers everything, it goes from mid $40K to $400K+ from hatches, sedans, coupes with commercial vehicles thrown in too. Ford Australia is too busy trying to be Volkswagen without the German name. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 04-10-2020 at 08:57 PM. |
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Yes Damo Mercedes is a good example. MB bring in a wide range of vehicles and sub types. I think A class outsells SA Focus 2.5 to one. But SA Focus has no sedan and only one engine option and my pet no manual (neither does MB to be fair).
Ford just cant be bothered with ''complexity'' unless its Ranger. |
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Puma is great, so glad I went and took it for a test drive as it surprised me how nice the package is.
Sometimes we get so bitter about what Ford does or doesn't do that it clouds judgement on the actual vehicle. The price is up there but I think this vehicle is good enough to justify that, we'll see how the market feels about that but at least Ford is still trying new vehicles. Last edited by jpd80; 05-10-2020 at 12:08 PM. |
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They just use Australia as the Asia-Pacific dumping ground, something that works in other RHD markets just send it to Australia, that will do for them and that's that. |
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So Damo would you if you had 55k to spend on a car and had a choice of BMW MB or Ford would you take the Focus ST?
Since your comments on MB I ve noticed A class MB and BMW 1 series everywhere. I guess in Germany these compete with SA focus. |
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Kia Stinger 330S is what I'd buy https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/det...HRM-AD-6085008 Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 08-10-2020 at 12:05 PM. |
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Funny, for once I think they have done a better job than usual but not holding my breath as Ford just seem to struggle with anything that is not fast or a ute.
You guys are looking to deep into this, the target market wont have a clue. It looks good, goes well enough, has the tech, it will all come down to price and if they can find any pussies in the woods. As for MB and the other Germans, this is long over due, One Ford was a bit of a fail but IMO some manufacturers are way to fat, to many models with minor BS variations etc. https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...models-126655/ CV19 has only sped this process up.
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But profit is profit, they still sell to many variations IMO. Audi and BMW are also guilty and should follow suit. As for the Puma, I think its a great package, not for me but can see the appeal.
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