Does anyone use creatine??

BIGBIRD · 22-09-2006, 10:28 PM

Hi guys, just wondering if any of you guys use creatine as a supplement when weight training??
Ive heard both good and bad about it and just wanted your opinions, the main negative point made about it is... "Renal dysfunction accompanying oral creatine supplements" so... what do you think??

Ruger · 22-09-2006, 10:33 PM

dont mix it with caffeine if you do in moderation it will put you to sleep. creatine plus caffeine tabs and i could go to sleep on the bench they dont mix. it works well though its just another amino acid. a good protein powder will have enough creatine in it. glutamine also helps. you dont really need to spend a shitload on supplements a good protein powder usually has what you need. you take any morea and you **** it out.

GTP-814 · 22-09-2006, 10:39 PM

I gave creatine up years ago, I now use max protien powder now & feel ***** load better

Yum-Yum · 22-09-2006, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GTP-814

I gave creatine up years ago, I now use max protien powder now & feel ***** load better

What sort of gains have you had using Max mate? I also had plans on using creatine, got a tub free when ordering some protein but haven't tried it yet...probably help to go back on my diet as well LOL

mosman69 · 23-09-2006, 11:42 AM

ok im a medical student near graduation and im also a member of the asutralian taekwon do team, so i have a bit of info on this cuz its a topic close to home, ive looked into the whole creatine thign and you need to take ridiculous amounts to get any value from taking creatine and powder, their main benefit is actually a placebo, yeah they have minute value (a little bit even tho its not as much as you think your getting is better than nothing) but you would be far better off changing your diet to include shiteloads of protein as your body actually uses that far more efficently but meh....each to their own.

MO · 23-09-2006, 08:57 PM

If you've got to resort to using chemical substances..to get what you want.....your a fool..do it naturally...yes it will take longer and not give the same build in as short a time.

But bottom line do you want to live to a good old ripe age or die before your time.

XA Coupsta · 23-09-2006, 10:02 PM

MO - are you even aware of what creatine is? By your comments - I'm thinking not.

Its a naturally occuring compound that your body actually makes anyway. If you are training in the gym and simply supplying your body better levels of what it needs - I cant see a thing wrong with that. And here you are on about using chemicals and staying natural and dying young, etc, etc. Pretty uninformed soapbox you just stepped up on.

Bigbird I've never used creatine no. But im with some of the other comments - a good protein powder - and diet - cant go wrong. I found some really good gains just playing around with the timings of what I eat (yep mosman69 - good protein is key!) in relation to when I train.

Good luck with it. If you use it let us know how you found it.

MO · 23-09-2006, 10:12 PM

If creatine is produced naturally...why do you need to take a chemical substitute...capiche!

XA Coupsta · 23-09-2006, 10:14 PM

WTF?

Its not a substitute. Its a supplement. Capiche that?

You go to the gym Mo?

MO · 23-09-2006, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by XA Coupsta

WTF?

Its not a substitute. Its a supplement. Capiche that?

You go to the gym Mo?

For many years and could not get over the number of body builders /power lifters that were putting crap into their bods....you know roids etc....I did all my work on a good healthy diet of natural foods.

Strange thing is I never once had a roid or chemical substitute problem...as for the others well...

BOSS 540 · 23-09-2006, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MO

If creatine is produced naturally...why do you need to take a chemical substitute...capiche!

If your'e so anti chemical or drugs whats the story with your pic, is that a syringe or a cigi that wally is holding?

loxxr6 · 23-09-2006, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mosman69

ok im a medical student near graduation and im also a member of the asutralian taekwon do team, so i have a bit of info on this cuz its a topic close to home, ive looked into the whole creatine thign and you need to take ridiculous amounts to get any value from taking creatine and powder, their main benefit is actually a placebo, yeah they have minute value (a little bit even tho its not as much as you think your getting is better than nothing) but you would be far better off changing your diet to include shiteloads of protein as your body actually uses that far more efficently but meh....each to their own.

I'm sure I read somewhere that when you take it the chemical compound changes and you don't even absorb it all (kind of like what you've said).

I don't take it myself. I have been taking Horley's Ripped factors tho - primarily coz of the extra protein but the other added weight loss ingredients help too.

XA Coupsta · 23-09-2006, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MO

For many years and could not get over the number of body builders /power lifters that were putting crap into their bods....you know roids etc....I did all my work on a good healthy diet of natural foods.

Strange thing is I never once had a roid or chemical substitute problem...as for the others well...

So why did you stop? All of your quote there is in past tenths - so you dont go anymore?

Easy to sit behind a keyboard and knock someone simply after some information. I'll never know if you did go the gym for many years - but if that was your attitude to training and looking after your body I'd bet you stopped because of lack of results.

Again I fail to see how supplementing your body with the correct intakes of vitamins and/or naturally occuring compounds (are you against protein powder too?) is 'a problem'.

I also cant see how this would lessen your lifespan as you've suggested in earlier posts. Training in the gym and giving your body the right fuel to train on - surely your health is in far greater shape?

MO · 23-09-2006, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BOSS 540

If your'e so anti chemical or drugs whats the story with your pic, is that a syringe or a cigi that wally is holding?

It was picked for me by the Admin ppl...maybe because of my stance on the body building fraternity...maybe because i'm in need of valium to suppress my real thoughts on 90% of posts in this forum...capiche!!!!!

And believe me I do bite my toungue these days compared to 6/8mths ago!!!!!!

BOSS 540 · 23-09-2006, 10:42 PM

You seem to be addicted to the word 'capiche', capiche!!!!!!

TimXR6 · 23-09-2006, 10:55 PM

Ive used it, dont anymore.

I actually got cramps from it.

Just drink a heap of water with it, which you should be doing anyway.

Also creates water retention, so people often mistake water weight for muscle gains.

Tim

MO · 23-09-2006, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BOSS 540

You seem to be addicted to the word 'capiche', capiche!!!!!!

A wonderful word is it not...in all its connotations.

XRated · 24-09-2006, 01:36 AM

I've used it. I found it gave me a lot more go at the gym (probably half psychological) and I could squeeze out a few more reps. I noticed (and others too) a decent physical change in muscle - particularly shoulders and biceps. But like said, it's mostly just water retention.

I'll stick to protein if I get back into gym!

red_hotxr6 · 24-09-2006, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Ruger

dont mix it with caffeine if you do in moderation it will put you to sleep. creatine plus caffeine tabs and i could go to sleep on the bench they dont mix. it works well though its just another amino acid. a good protein powder will have enough creatine in it. glutamine also helps. you dont really need to spend a shitload on supplements a good protein powder usually has what you need. you take any morea and you **** it out.

I am going to have to differ with you here. My husband not only uses it in his coffee, but also in glasses of coke.He never uses it in any type of fruit juice. He takes it in the morning as soon as he gets up, 1/2 an hour before gym and when he getds home from the gym. His only complaint that i have heard from him is that he urinates a lot. He reckons it has helped with his strength, his ability to run longer on the tread mill and it helps in his recovery afterwards, he is not as sore the following day or two .For someone who is 50 he gets around like a spring chicken.He is on it for 2 months and off for 1 month, some thing to do with keeping the kidneys clean or whatever not too sure.lol

**Falcon Coupe** · 24-09-2006, 08:51 AM

I tried it years ago, i felt no benefit and it was like eating sand.

BIGBIRD · 24-09-2006, 12:58 PM

thanks to all for your replies and thoughts.. ive been getting great amounts of protein through my diet and some supplements throughout my time working out and that works a treat.
Still not sure if im gonna try creatine or not, a mate uses it and he thinks its good, but we both manage a similar workout so I might give it a miss for now.

FPVWEPN · 24-09-2006, 01:04 PM

EH!!!! Just take it you rodge u don't even have to pay for it!!!!!!!!

jabba · 24-09-2006, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by XA Coupsta

WTF?

Its not a substitute. Its a supplement. Capiche that?

You go to the gym Mo?

I doubt it. MO preferres to stay at home and types crap on the forum....

**Stav** · 24-09-2006, 01:23 PM

I have used creatine monohydrate some time ago.In anaerobic activity after loading I could sprint much much faster.Also you dont realise it but it helps yo train beyond your limits in weight trainning.The result for me was inflammed tendons.

I would not recommend anyone take creatine,whey protein or any of that crap.Instead of whey,eat egg whites.They are the most bioavailable natural protein.

I think my heart got blocked from all of these "supplements" Whey protein goes rock hard if you leave it in a cup..what is it doing to your heart?To your arteries?

Creatine monohydratre is said to attack your kidneys due to excessive creatine levels in urine and excess nitrogen.While it did work for me I will never take the stuff ever again.

4Vman · 24-09-2006, 03:17 PM

Creatine is a cell volumiser, it promotes fluid retention in the muscle cells, you get the appearance of "increased size" from it, but its not "muscle" gain as such. Its real benefit comes from allowing more energy to be avaliable to the muscle which may improve althletic performance.
I tried it for a while, it just made me bloated.

MO · 24-09-2006, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jabba

I doubt it. MO preferres to stay at home and types crap on the forum....

Alright sunshine...when you reach 30years of going and doing gym work then and only then can you try and put **** on me.

And when you are told by your doctors to give it away because it will kill you.....then you tell me how you feel.

Oh and just a small aside when you go back to school and learn how to use the english language properly....then I will give creedence to your otherwise extremely puerile posts.

YOU ARE A FOOL!!!!!!!!!!

jabba · 25-09-2006, 04:45 AM

And the reason the moderators gave you that avatar is because you are full of crap...

XRated · 25-09-2006, 12:48 PM

Play nice children!

galaxy xr8 · 25-09-2006, 01:10 PM

There seem's to be a lot off expert's on here, or people that claim to be using or have used certain supplement's, let's see some pic's off people that go to the gym and see if they are as big or have made as much gain's as they come across to have made, we will soon see who is talking crap on here. lol.

davro_xr6 · 25-09-2006, 01:52 PM

I reckon, whatever you want to do to your body - do it!! Its your body and who is anyone else to tell you what you can and can't do?? Creatine is a natural "enhancer" and it works for some and doesn't for others... Unfortunately it doesn't work for me so I took an "alternative" route. Just make sure, if you give it a go, you follow a good diet, do what you need to do with the supplement (like drinking plenty of water) and don't exceed recommended dosage, you shouldn't have a negative effect from it, and if you do, stop taking it.

On the other side with anabolics and other "alternative" forms, I see that side of it too - they wanna be bigger and stronger, best of luck. Its not illegal to use steroids, unless you are a proffessional athlete, and even then you only get a 2 year ban... Steroids are used in modern medecine too - so they aren't all that bad... As long as you're using them correctly, responsibly and don't exceed recommended dosages, you again should be ok...

I just think at the end of the day, whether you use natural supplements or "alternatives", its a personal choice left to the individual. And I don't really think anyone has the right to bag anyone else on it...

More power to you!!