Supercharging?

BZINGA · 02-04-2012, 06:02 PM

Well i've been thinking about supercharging my ute, not something that's going to happen in a few days but hopefully in the not too distant future.
So i see Rudkin's xr8 in the for sale section using a CAPA type, can anyone give me some advice on which type to use, price range etc? Any info would be great.

Cam · 02-04-2012, 07:20 PM

Lets start with your budget, and how much power you want..

Blower kits start from about 3.5k from raptorsc.com.au

Broken blocks start from about 400rwhp

BZINGA · 02-04-2012, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cam

Lets start with your budget, and how much power you want..

Blower kits start from about 3.5k from raptorsc.com.au

Broken blocks start from about 400rwhp

Just going on the standard engine, not looking to break any records.
If you see Rudkins AU in the for sale section just something like that i guess.

b2tf · 02-04-2012, 07:50 PM

The CAPA and Raptor kits are essentially the same in what you get except CAPA is very dear for what you get. With either kit you should expect some additional work to be carried out (like piping, fuel system etc) but that would also depend on how far you want to push things.

I think if it were me I would go with the raptor kit that doesn't include the flash tuner and spend the tuning money on a quarterhorse system instead.

BZINGA · 02-04-2012, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by b2tf

The CAPA and Raptor kits are essentially the same in what you get except CAPA is very dear for what you get. With either kit you should expect some additional work to be carried out (like piping, fuel system etc) but that would also depend on how far you want to push things.

I think if it were me I would go with the raptor kit that doesn't include the flash tuner and spend the tuning money on a quarterhorse system instead.

My utes got the J3 chip in it already so tuning side is no hassle .. Who does the raptor kit?

b2tf · 02-04-2012, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TRIK67

My utes got the J3 chip in it already so tuning side is no hassle .. Who does the raptor kit?

www.raptorsc.com.au

A PD blower is a nicer option but generally a more expensive one. For the average car that just needs a good boot in pants a centrifugal blower will do the job nicely.

FGII-XR6 · 02-04-2012, 07:58 PM

the cappa / raptor kits are really just belt driven turbos and suffer lag just like a turbo. the benifit of a "real" supercharger ( positive displacement) it they make boost right from idle so you get no lag. snort performance do a neat eaton M21 PD installation that fits where the standard inlet manifold lives
http://www.snortperformance.com/supercharger.htm

BZINGA · 03-04-2012, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by au3xr6

the cappa / raptor kits are really just belt driven turbos and suffer lag just like a turbo. the benifit of a "real" supercharger ( positive displacement) it they make boost right from idle so you get no lag.

Was talking to a mechanic mate today and he believes with the standard engine the Raptor kit would be the go as it's less stressful than the Eaton type that as you say works from idle and would put more strain through the running gear ... The way he said it made sense anyway lol.

Cam · 03-04-2012, 06:57 AM

I contacted Geoff a while ago regarding a setup for a V8 with a larger Eaton, he was more then happy to fabricate something to suit but at the time wasn't able to give an accurate price due to the nature of custom work..

Are you prepared to get dirty? If so, I'd be bringing over a single or twin turbo kit from the states, and adapting that to suit.. Look up on3 performance, those guys are great to deal with and know their stuff...

b2tf · 03-04-2012, 09:28 AM

If it's a custom fitment job then I would say the quoted prices for a snort setup are going to be totally irrelevant. Lot more work to fit a V8 than an I6 where it just bolts onto the side.

Cam · 03-04-2012, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by b2tf

If it's a custom fitment job then I would say the quoted prices for a snort setup are going to be totally irrelevant. Lot more work to fit a V8 than an I6 where it just bolts onto the side.

^ this

MAD · 03-04-2012, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by b2tf

If it's a custom fitment job then I would say the quoted prices for a snort setup are going to be totally irrelevant. Lot more work to fit a V8 than an I6 where it just bolts onto the side.

Depends how it's mounted on the V8 and what you choose to do with it.
If you try to add in w2a intercooling it will get complicated and expensive, but that goes for both engines.
If it's just bolted to an adapted lower manifold, it's pretty straught forward (for someone that's done it before)
I would definitely throw my wager at the V8 being easier to mount than the I6.

I have JC's old I6 kit and I can tell you, bolting it to the side of an I6 is not a simple task.

EFFalcon · 03-04-2012, 04:01 PM

Typical top mount style superchargers arn't overly available because of bonnet clearance.
once you consider the need to clear a dizzy (only on eseries) and the fuel rails, the supercharger sits quite high.

KB setups get around this by offsetting the blower and flipping it, but they're obviously more expensive then a raptor.

kevinj · 03-04-2012, 05:35 PM

This may be of some interest..

http://www.procharger.com/FORD/ford_auto.shtml

Cheese3 · 03-04-2012, 05:49 PM

there is only one way to supercharge a engine!!! KB it!

all serious though, amazed no one has linked this thread. Give bluepower a call
http://fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11312816

Cam · 03-04-2012, 08:13 PM

The KB kit would definitely be a great way to go, just need to bear in mind that is it NOT a bolt on kit, and I am not sure that it includes injectors / flash tune etc? Could make the costs blow out into a different ballpark compared to a Raptor..

mik · 04-04-2012, 11:32 AM

my young brother brought a supercharger off a bloke upgrading the one on his mustang from the states in excellent condition for $600+ postage, a couple of hundred from memory, it is possible to get bargains like this and do it cheaper if you keep your eyes peeled and are willing to stuff around a bit .

TK-421 · 04-04-2012, 04:16 PM

I have a used Raptor Supercharger and 39lb injectors if anyone is interested. They were going onto my AU Intech project but since i have updated my car is no longer needed.

BZINGA · 04-04-2012, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by IntechAU

I have a used Raptor Supercharger and 39lb injectors if anyone is interested. They were going onto my AU Intech project but since i have updated my car is no longer needed.

What dollars are you wanting and is it a complete kit?
PM me if you like.

blueoval · 05-04-2012, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TRIK67

What dollars are you wanting and is it a complete kit?
PM me if you like.

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Originally Posted by IntechAU

I have a used Raptor Supercharger and 39lb injectors if anyone is interested. They were going onto my AU Intech project but since i have updated my car is no longer needed.

Just be aware the s/c mounting bracket differs between the 6 and the 8. You will need to ring up Tim from Raptor to get him to send out a mounting bracket and offer advice to what else would be required. Other than that, extra injectors, and everything should bolt on.

XR23IL · 05-04-2012, 12:18 PM

i like the raptor 345rwhp from mine with the basic tune. been 2yrs and hasn't missed a beat. very nice looking kits that can be polished and anodised. have a look at the picture of mine in the for sale thread to c how it mounts and fits inside the engine bay.

BZINGA · 05-04-2012, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by XR23IL

i like the raptor 345rwhp from mine with the basic tune. been 2yrs and hasn't missed a beat. very nice looking kits that can be polished and anodised. have a look at the picture of mine in the for sale thread to c how it mounts and fits inside the engine bay.

Did you change injectors? maf? running water/meth intercooler?
Also did you change fuel pumps etc? Just need an idea what people have done besides the tune.

XR23IL · 05-04-2012, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TRIK67

Did you change injectors? maf? running water/meth intercooler?
Also did you change fuel pumps etc? Just need an idea what people have done besides the tune.

only the injectors. maf and fuel pump still original if anything mine is running slightly rich so still a bit left in the fuel. only washed the ute and took 4 a spin before. instant grin gota love that whine and that other thing that it causes

BZINGA · 05-04-2012, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by XR23IL

only the injectors. maf and fuel pump still original if anything mine is running slightly rich so still a bit left in the fuel. only washed the ute and took 4 a spin before. instant grin gota love that whine and that other thing that it causes

What size injectors are you using?

345rwhp is impressive with just a tune and bolt ons added. I thought fuel pump and maf needed to be upgraded also? Nice ute btw

XR23IL · 05-04-2012, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TRIK67

What size injectors are you using?

345rwhp is impressive with just a tune and bolt ons added. I thought fuel pump and maf needed to be upgraded also? Nice ute btw

cheers been a great ute. i think the injectors were 41's. also in regards to the raptor vs vortech i think the vortechs r great my brother has a v2 on his ba producing 540rwhp but for something like yours and mine where it ain't healthy for the motor to go past 400 u can save yourself a good 2g and spend it on something else. also i have never had any belt issues and the newer ones have a been upgraded again i think.

blueoval · 05-04-2012, 12:40 PM

That's great power.

With mind I have been running a conservative 7lbs at the s/c. Not sure what it is at the engine after the intercooler. Still on stock internals on both the engine and box. Only a measily 275rwhp/205rwkw but its still going strong after the past 2 and a bit years with some sympathetic driving.

BZINGA · 05-04-2012, 05:42 PM

I spoke to my tuner today and said i'm keen on getting a s/c for the ute and am looking at the Raptor kit. He told me he has seen many Raptors fail on the dyno ( belts breaking, raptor itself failing ). He said spend the extra and go Vortech ... I told him alot of guys on here seem happy with the Raptor and have had no problems but he still stuck by his word on the Vortech ..

This is doin my head in

XR23IL · 05-04-2012, 06:52 PM

cool cool well i am sure u will enjoy it once it's blown

CRAIGAU3220 · 05-04-2012, 08:17 PM

Have had my Raptor on for over a year and so far so good...........I think the internal belt break is due to having the bov wound to tight and when you back off quick the throttle blade slams shut the bov cant vent enough backed up air charge and something has to give.

As XR23IL said and what Ive read the newer Raptors have lighter weight internals so less stress on the belt than earlier models.

BZINGA · 05-04-2012, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CRAIGAU3220

Have had my Raptor on for over a year and so far so good...........I think the internal belt break is due to having the bov wound to tight and when you back off quick the throttle blade slams shut the bov cant vent enough backed up air charge and something has to give.

As XR23IL said and what Ive read the newer Raptors have lighter weight internals so less stress on the belt than earlier models.

Yeah from what i've read and heard from guys like yourself who use them all seems great, maybe the older style wasn't as good but i haven't seen a bad word written about them since looking into this.