Purchasing a XY GT Replica

djjase · 10-08-2007, 01:24 PM

Hi,

Just a quick question: "What makes your decision on which XY GT Replica you would buy?"

(1) Color - if color - what color ? ie red over white etc.
(2) GT Parts - Dash, trims, wheels - ie all GT optons
(3) Drive train - 351, Auto or Manual, 9", manual - Single Rail or Top Loader
(4) Others - Please advise.

Reason is I see lots of XY GT Replicas for sale and can't work out why one car goes for $50k and another goes for $30k even when the 30k car has more gt options than the 50k one.

Bucknaked · 10-08-2007, 01:28 PM

I know of an XY GT replica going up forsale soon. Once it goes on the market, I'll post up the details.

mr_xr8 · 10-08-2007, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by djjase

Hi,

Just a quick question: "What makes your decision on which XY GT Replica you would buy?"

(1) Color - if color - what color ? ie red over white etc.
(2) GT Parts - Dash, trims, wheels - ie all GT optons
(3) Drive train - 351, Auto or Manual, 9", manual - Single Rail or Top Loader
(4) Others - Please advise.

Reason is I see lots of XY GT Replicas for sale and can't work out why one car goes for $50k and another goes for $30k even when the 30k car has more gt options than the 50k one.

1. black over yellow, gold over balck or black over red
2. more gt parts the better
3. 351, toploader with a locked 9"
4. how the car was built, proof of rust repair etc etc

mrgo40rd · 10-08-2007, 02:58 PM

30k is max you should pay for a good example

FTGAutosalvage · 10-08-2007, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mrgo40rd

30k is max you should pay for a good example

maybe 12 months ago.
what makes the difference is if its a XY with some GT bits , or if its a replica
a replica should have correct trim, wheels diff motor with correctly detailed engine bay , roof lining , dash , steering wheel , fuel tank ect ect

The Yeti · 10-08-2007, 03:24 PM

But why? its a falcon thats be taken from std, so there for its an XY with some go fast bits theres no way I'd pay more that 20 perhaps 25 for a real nice one

**Falcon Coupe** · 10-08-2007, 04:03 PM

I would pay more for for good body/paint and a strong engine, after all it's a replica so if a few bits are non GT it ain't the end of the world.

**Polyal** · 10-08-2007, 04:09 PM

$30k for a rep is about right, but still mad. Could you not just do it yourself if you had the time. Find a half decent example to start with and build it to what you want?

4Vman · 10-08-2007, 04:13 PM

Personally... what's the point of buying a "replica" unless its CORRECT?
Unless it faithully "replicates" the original car down to fine detail than its not really a "replica" is it..

There are some damn good accurate replicas around with all the original spec good stuff on them, right down to correct bolts and markings, they usually fetch well over 50K though.. if its less acurate its worth much less in my opinion.
Put it another way, you couldnt build a spot on replica from scratch for less than 70K...

brodfloyd · 10-08-2007, 04:13 PM

the only difference that there SHOULD be between a real GT and a GT replica is the matching body and engine identification/spec plate.

however, if you are building a GT lookalike, then just whack stripes and stickers on it, a shaker and go wild. because your replica doesnt have to be constricted by keeping the proper engine and body, trims and alike. you can really go wild in customising it.

4Vman · 10-08-2007, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by brodfloyd

the only difference that there SHOULD be between a real GT and a GT replica is the matching body and engine identification/spec plate.

however, if you are building a GT lookalike, then just whack stripes and stickers on it, a shaker and go wild. because your replica doesnt have to be constricted by keeping the proper engine and body, trims and alike. you can really go wild in customising it.

That's the problem with 99% of so called "replicas".. you can't just wack driving lights, badges, a dash, a shaker and stripes on a V8 XY and call it a XYGT replica.. It looks wrong and cheap, it looks more like an XY Falcon with an identity crisis!

**Polyal** · 10-08-2007, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

That's the problem with 99% of so called "replicas".. you can't just wack driving lights, badges, a dash, a shaker and stripes on a V8 XY and call it a XYGT replica.. It looks wrong and cheap, it looks more like an XY Falcon with an identity crisis!

But the majority of the time you cant tell the difference from the outside. I know what you mean, unless you are anal about it. But then whats so good about owning a rep that is 99% gen parts; its still a rep.

4Vman · 10-08-2007, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

But the majority of the time you cant tell the difference from the outside. I know what you mean, unless you are anal about it. But then whats so good about owning a rep that is 99% gen parts; its still a rep.

With Phase 3's worth over $700k now and XYGT's bringing over $250K now i guess to some people $70K for a Replica represents "good value"?, especially if they keep going up in value at the same rate as the genuine article!!
Two GOOD replicas recently sold for $92K and $95K respectively..

**Polyal** · 10-08-2007, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

With Phase 3's worth over $700k now and XYGT's bringing over $250K now i guess to some people $70K for a Replica represents "good value"?, especially if they keep going up in value at the same rate as the genuine article!!
Two GOOD replicas recently sold for $92K and $95K respectively..

I guess it just depends on what you want. I cant see the prices continuing at this rate, which is easy to say but there has to be a point in which enough is enough.

Personally I still dont see $70k as a "bargain" for what is just a XY sedan, but if its what someone wants then there is not much you can do.

Coupes are different because they are coupes, and will command a price because of that. If you where going to do up something and you are concerned about future prices then genuine coupes are surely a better prospect. GT + Coupe will be a winner for sure. Cant quite understand the interest in XY's but I guess I wasn't born then so that doesn't help.

GK351 · 10-08-2007, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

With Phase 3's worth over $700k now and XYGT's bringing over $250K now i guess to some people $70K for a Replica represents "good value"?, especially if they keep going up in value at the same rate as the genuine article!!
Two GOOD replicas recently sold for $92K and $95K respectively..

Sorry but i wouldnt pay 95k for a replica, regardless of what the genuine articles are fetching.

Who is paying 700k anyway? investors? lets see what happens with a few more intrest rate rises. like they are going to make a killing on top of that price? Mabye the boys from AMCS have some sort of 'Conflict of intrest' lets get on the news and tell everyone how the onyx black XY sold for 400k.the Frosted Pewter one one AMCS was for sale at 750K now the seller wants 1,000,000 for it. why? all because the white Ho featured in Wheels magazine last month is currently for sale in unique cars for a million? seriously.

And this makes a 'good replica' 95K? i wouldn't pay 40k on that verm fire, its not even a replica, i have seen it in person its nice but not nice enough to fork out 90+ grand. Look at the engine for starters. and lastly look at the blokes name.

his name says it all.

djjase · 10-08-2007, 04:37 PM

I remember seeing a XA GT Coupe in a car yard a few years ago where the TAG was JG33 and not JG66 yet the car yard was still selling it as an original GT - He didnt know enough to realise that he had been taken to the cleaners.

How about a 6cyl XY with all the proper GT bits? are they still worth as much ? or less because its not a V8 Shell?

Do you think this one is worth $55k?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI....ME:B:WNA:AU:12

4Vman · 10-08-2007, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by djjase

I remember seeing a XA GT Coupe in a car yard a few years ago where the TAG was JG33 and not JG66 yet the car yard was still selling it as an original GT - He didnt know enough to realise that he had been taken to the cleaners.

How about a 6cyl XY with all the proper GT bits? are they still worth as much ? or less because its not a V8 Shell?

Do you think this one is worth $55k?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI....ME:B:WNA:AU:12

Ive got no idea about prices anymore, every time i think ive got an idea they get blown out the door with new higher prices.
Im probably nit picking here but.. there's allot wrong with that car in terms of accuracy.. Engine bay alone: chrome bits.. wrong shaker, rocker covers, manifold, heads, there's 5-7K alone to get it right.... cant see enough of the rest of it to comment. A couple of people obviously think its worth 55+K though.

djjase · 10-08-2007, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Ive got no idea about prices anymore, every time i think ive got an idea they get blown out the door with new higher prices.
Im probably nit picking here but.. there's allot wrong with that car in terms of accuracy.. Engine bay alone: chrome bits.. wrong shaker, rocker covers, manifold, heads, there's 5-7K alone to get it right.... cant see enough of the rest of it to comment. A couple of people obviously think its worth 55+K though.

Eactly what I thought - looking at XY on ebay they seem to go from $10k for a stock one up to $50k like this one.

Maybe because it is Red that he is getting that price

djjase · 10-08-2007, 04:40 PM

Isn't a Replica worth at least half of an original? given it is a proper replica (ie just no JG33 motor or tags)

Been a x president of a ford club in Sydny I can tell you there are a lot of replica's out there that have all the proper bits than a lot of originals that have been changed over the years.

brodfloyd · 10-08-2007, 04:44 PM

it all comes down to authenticity.

if the only way you can tell that its not a proper gt is by looking at tags then you have got a good replica and it would and should be worth good money. but not stupid money.

but as has been said, just sticking stickers and wheels on an XY doesnt mean you can charge 50k for it, but if you are stupid enought to pay that...

GK351 · 10-08-2007, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by djjase

Hi,

Just a quick question: "What makes your decision on which XY GT Replica you would buy?"

(1) Color - if color - what color ? ie red over white etc.
(2) GT Parts - Dash, trims, wheels - ie all GT optons
(3) Drive train - 351, Auto or Manual, 9", manual - Single Rail or Top Loader
(4) Others - Please advise.

Reason is I see lots of XY GT Replicas for sale and can't work out why one car goes for $50k and another goes for $30k even when the 30k car has more gt options than the 50k one.

My advise would be build one yourself to your taste.
source out the GT parts you need and go from their,

GT repro parts are easily available if you want to go down that path...
Just dont fall in the trap of reading misleading sales figures.

Just because original HO's are selling for the price of high end sydney property prices, dosnt make a replica GT worth 90k.

And dont beleive some of the things you read, most of it is hype.

djjase · 10-08-2007, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GK5766

My advise would be build one yourself to your taste.
source out the GT parts you need and go from their,

GT repro parts are easily available if you want to go down that path...
Just dont fall in the trap of reading misleading sales figures.

Just because original HO's are selling for the price of high end sydney property prices, dosnt make a replica GT worth 90k.

And dont beleive some of the things you read, most of it is hype.

Thks GK, actually have a replica at the moment - was more after what other people chooses.

djjase · 10-08-2007, 05:26 PM

Here is an original one in NZ - reserve not met - $200,000

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/FORD-FALCON-X...QQcmdZViewItem

Surely those air horns werent factory - so is it worth less?

**Falcon Coupe** · 10-08-2007, 05:31 PM

Regarding replica price, it's really up the individual what they would pay, i would pay no more than i would for a restored Falcon 500 with a similar amount spent on it.

djjase · 10-08-2007, 05:31 PM

going to do a rebuild on mine and stick it back to its original color - guy I brought it off painted it Gold Nugget, but should be Bronze Wine -

Which color would you buy if it was up for sale ?

XYLINC · 10-08-2007, 05:40 PM

Ive been building these things for a while now and I can tell you that whatever anyone thinks they are worth, the market is dictating the price. The market is hot and the demand is huge. Expect to pay at least $45k for a good example but more likely $50k to $55k. Anything less than $45k is a bargain compared to what the market is paying and if youre getting a good one for less than that you are most likely buying it off your mate. Colour/trim combo is a personal choice and everyone has a different opinion but from my experience the highest $$$ earning cars are Wild Violet, probably followed by Vermillion Fire. The thing is, if you are buying it to keep then get the colour that you want, if you are buying it with resale in mind thats a different story. Quality of panel and paint work generally determines the price as alot of people will not turn down a quality car if it doesnt have a hot enough motor. A 4V closed chamber cleveland is ideal as is a 4 speed toploader and a genuine length 9 inch. Trim must be immaculate if not new and restored wheel/rechromed dash is a must.

Anyone who thinks they can build a quality one from scratch, using brand new repo parts, is dreaming if they think it can be done for under $30k. The right shell may cost you up to $5k or more for a Y or K code or factory GS and a quality back to bare metal paint job will set you back between $10k and $15k. All of a sudden youre at near on $20k with only a painted shell!!!!! Sure you can get away with less than that but then we are not talking about good ones anymore......or you are a qualified panelbeater/spraypainter/mechanic.

I have a wild violet replica being built and shown on the project cars section. If I though for a second that I could buy it off the owners for $50k when I finish with it I would get the coin together in the blink of an eye!

djjase · 10-08-2007, 05:45 PM

Well there goes my chances of buying a Silver Fox one - $1 million dollars

http://www.australianmusclecarsales....cle_view/94360

djjase · 10-08-2007, 06:07 PM

MLTUCKER - that XY paint is awesome - who painted it? what did you pay if you don't mind being asked. What was the factory color before u changed it?

Where are you at now with the rebuild - I love Wild Violet, I was going to do my XA in that color but decided to stay with the factory Yellow Fire

XYLINC · 10-08-2007, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by djjase

MLTUCKER - that XY paint is awesome - who painted it? what did you pay if you don't mind being asked. What was the factory color before u changed it?

Where are you at now with the rebuild - I love Wild Violet, I was going to do my XA in that color but decided to stay with the factory Yellow Fire

Mate, a new business called retro panel and paint in Mount Gambier SA are doing the job. Its not out of there yet as we are having some trouble with the blackouts so at the moment I'm not sure what the final job will be worth. I was given a guide as it is impossible to quote until youve seen what suprises lay underneath. If you force them into a quote they must allow foe the worst and in the end you may be worse off. As for the factory colour I think it was nugget gold. This car was originally going to be Yellow Glow but as the car will most likely go on the market after its finished I convinced them to go Wild Violet white trim. It may not be everyones cup of tea but it is bringing the highest $$$$ out there at the moment.

At present the drivetrain is waiting for the car to come out of the paint shop which I am hoping will be early next week if we can get the blackout problem sorted.

That replica you posted pics of, was that just on ebay?

smally289 · 10-08-2007, 08:49 PM

All this replica debate is good reading. To be a true replica, it should be as close as humanly possible to the real thing.
Personally I am building my car to my own taste and not to please someone else. There are some GT bits I like, and others I dont. Thats why my Fairmont will have some GT bits. If I was to build a replica GT for myself, then maybe some of the GT bits would be swapped, like that awful thin steering wheel!