AU or E's? - Page 2

FRDXR6 · 18-12-2006, 04:29 PM

Assuming your 18 and live in the suburbs/city insurance will be $2000-3500 full comp a year for any EF/EL or AU series Tickfords (XR6 and XR8).

Ring vicroads or obtain the banned high powered car list from them and see what cars are banned, then you won't waste time asking questions for cars you cant legally drive anyway.

needaXYGT · 18-12-2006, 04:33 PM

i like both models. but IMO the EL can be made to look better than the AU

chich · 18-12-2006, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave23

Hey about this ts50 it looks good and all.....but im 18 and in Vic...i dont think i can legally drive it.

Don't mean to sound like a parent but good luck getting insurance for a V8 at 18 years old. What would you rather spend $2,500 a year on - full comp insurance or mods? Exactly.

If you want my suggestion - go pick yourself up an EFII/EL Fairmont Ghia (XR6 engine remember!) for $7-9K, fit an exhaust, convert it to manual and have some fun for a few years. When you're 21 or whatever and actually have some decent driving experience go out and buy yourself a T3 or BA/BF XR8. In three years time when petrol is $1.50/L the market will be littered with ex-lease XR8's that can be had for $15K. The end.

SVR73 · 18-12-2006, 09:07 PM

Hey I love both models but that EL's rear spoiler makes it look like a VS commy
Doesn't go with the body shape

The AU shape is brilliant, trouble is that the majority running around are stock povo packs with the wrong ride height, small wheels, no body kit or spoiler
A lowered XR or the T series range are how all AU's should have been. No forte, futura fronts. I can live with the monty.

However an EL in most cases is superb without a kit, just a spoiler and 16 inch wheels.

AU is a better handling car but all things considered, I couldn't split the two.
A june 98 EL XR8 with 17's or 18's with the body kit is a jaw dropping package and the AU 1 - 3 XR's and T's are as well (xr's still need lowering)

It's a hard call

chrispie123 · 18-12-2006, 09:30 PM

hi this is a hard decision to make i own both an au and an ef both are nice cars to drive au gets great fuel economy compared to the ef but i still find it really hard to stop driving the ef i prefer the shape of it the interior just feels a lot more roomier and just flows a lots better

RG · 18-12-2006, 09:34 PM

I've had an EL I6 that had a bit of work done to it and now I have the AU XR. There really is no comparison, there is nothing the EL could do that the AU can't do better and the XR's with some nice rims and lowered (especially venom red ones

) look horn. No comparison really as the two cars are worlds apart.

chrispie123 · 18-12-2006, 10:22 PM

yeh your el was nice too though all depends on your budget, you also went from a worked 6 to a worked 8 so yeh big differecne from jumping out of an ef 6 to au 6

GlennBA · 18-12-2006, 10:49 PM

Get the AU.. try for an AU2. Drive both, E series feel like dated old barges in comparison. Not putting them down, but its true.

Dave23 · 19-12-2006, 12:59 AM

ok so i cant go for an eight...what is better performance wise....an el xr6 or just a normal AU...aslo id imagine AU XR6 are insurance expensive like an 8? tell me if im wrong...But if they are not...what would be the best possible car in your oppinions apart from an xr8 that i should get on my budget of around 12,000

RG · 19-12-2006, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave23

ok so i cant go for an eight...what is better performance wise....an el xr6 or just a normal AU...aslo id imagine AU XR6 are insurance expensive like an 8? tell me if im wrong...But if they are not...what would be the best possible car in your oppinions apart from an xr8 that i should get on my budget of around 12,000

AU XR6 and EL XR6 are most likely on a par insurance wise, try to find a nice AUII or III XR6 VCT and you will be happy. I was going to get one of them before I realised that I really did want the bent 8.

Dave23 · 19-12-2006, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by RedXR8220

AU XR6 and EL XR6 are most likely on a par insurance wise, try to find a nice AUII or III XR6 VCT and you will be happy. I was going to get one of them before I realised that I really did want the bent 8.

Thanks for that so now, ive narrowed it down to an VCT i guess. Now which is better the AUIII XR6 VCT or a BA XR6?? performance wise..
And i have just found a nice 1997 EL Fairmont Ghia XR6 for 9990.
I just dont know what to go for....some say El fairmont ghias are better then AUIII XR6 VCT's...its all confusing. Can someone give me the lay down for real. What is the best possible car i can get toher then an 8 cyclinder and for around 12 grand. No bullshit due to the fact of wat car u drive, id just wanna kno the stone cold facts of what would be best..

ltd · 19-12-2006, 08:04 AM

That EL began life as a GLI.
What a bogan, hasn't even shelled out for the correct bumper and lights.
I can guarantee you that the EL he has is fitted with a 165kw windsor as opposed to the 185 he claims to have.
Stay away from that EL, and stay away from that bogan especially when he wants 15K for such an old shitter.
Get an AU, they are a stronger car torsionally, they have more modern looks and are easier to get parts for (especially since ford have stopped making any EL parts).
Also, the EL XR6 fairmont ghia is not a real car, it was either XR6 or Fairmont Ghia, not a cross bred car in between.
As already said the EL's are starting to show their age and are not as nice as the AU's, especially with things like suspension setup.
The Au's brought out IRS when the EL's had live rear axles.

bessxg · 19-12-2006, 10:08 AM

Go the AU, if you're not certain that you want an EL then you don't want one.

Dave23 · 19-12-2006, 04:21 PM

Can you guys please tell me what you think of this car??? Will this be better then say an AUIII XR6 VCT performance wise. http://www.tradingpost.com.au/search...tate_9_stpg_1_

RG · 19-12-2006, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave23

Can you guys please tell me what you think of this car??? Will this be better then say an AUIII XR6 VCT performance wise. http://www.tradingpost.com.au/search...tate_9_stpg_1_

Nice car but a little over priced.

chich · 19-12-2006, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GlennAUII

Get the AU.. try for an AU2. Drive both, E series feel like dated old barges in comparison. Not putting them down, but its true.

Look at the interior of the EF and compare that to the AU's. Talk about taking a leap backwards - sad but true.

chich · 19-12-2006, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave23

I just dont know what to go for....some say El fairmont ghias are better then AUIII XR6 VCT's...its all confusing. Can someone give me the lay down for real. What is the best possible car i can get toher then an 8 cyclinder and for around 12 grand. No bullshit due to the fact of wat car u drive, id just wanna kno the stone cold facts of what would be best..

What exactly are you looking for in a car? Whats important to you?

In my personal opinion the EF/EL Fairmont Ghia is a much better proposition than the AU XR6 for a number of reasons.

1. Firstly any V8 or anything built by Tickford is considered a 'sports car' in the eyes of an insurance company. You'll find that the difference between insuring any XR8 or XR6 will be quite minimal. From the EFII onwards (Oct '95), all Fairmont Ghias used the XR6 engine, auto and 3.45:1 diff. By buying an EFII Ghia you effectively get an auto XR6 with full electric windows, leather, climate control etc etc. Seeing that Fairmont Ghia's are considered old mens cars it'll be significantly cheaper to insure.

2. Over the years many people have modded all types of EF's and EL's with great success, therefore there is a heap of products and knowledge available to you when the time comes to start modding. In comparison, there is hardy no experience with the AU XR6 VCT.

3. EF/EL Fairmont Ghias in immaculate condition can be had for under $10K these days. Since they're getting on in the years it'll be alot harder to find one in excellent condition, but they are out there. AU XR6's by comparison are still fetching anywhere between $10-20K. Looking at your budget of $12K you'll most likely end up with a battered and tired example.

4. I understand that styling is a subjective topic, but which ever way you look at it the AU is pig ugly both on the inside and the outside. If anyone wants to argue the point please take a look at the sales figures and resale values before doing so... numbers don't lie.

RG · 19-12-2006, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by chich

What exactly are you looking for in a car? Whats important to you?

In my personal opinion the EF/EL Fairmont Ghia is a much better proposition than the AU XR6 for a number of reasons.

1. Firstly any V8 or anything built by Tickford is considered a 'sports car' in the eyes of an insurance company. You'll find that the difference between insuring any XR8 or XR6 will be quite minimal. From the EFII onwards (Oct '95), all Fairmont Ghias used the XR6 engine, auto and 3.45:1 diff. By buying an EFII Ghia you effectively get an auto XR6 with full electric windows, leather, climate control etc etc. Seeing that Fairmont Ghia's are considered old mens cars it'll be significantly cheaper to insure.

2. Over the years many people have modded all types of EF's and EL's with great success, therefore there is a heap of products and knowledge available to you when the time comes to start modding. In comparison, there is hardy no experience with the AU XR6 VCT.

3. EF/EL Fairmont Ghias in immaculate condition can be had for under $10K these days. Since they're getting on in the years it'll be alot harder to find one in excellent condition, but they are out there. AU XR6's by comparison are still fetching anywhere between $10-20K. Looking at your budget of $12K you'll most likely end up with a battered and tired example.

4. I understand that styling is a subjective topic, but which ever way you look at it the AU is pig ugly both on the inside and the outside. If anyone wants to argue the point please take a look at the sales figures and resale values before doing so... numbers don't lie.

He is looking for facts, not personal opinions.

1. The price of insurance between an XR6 and an XR8 is a fair bit, trust me I have recently gone through this process.

2.The difference in insurance between a modded 'mont and an XR6 is not much different, my modded EL GLI was $700 a year and my modded AUII XR8 is $945 a year, not much difference there.

3. You said it yourself, the EF/EL's are getting on in the years, 3-4 year diffence at best between the last of the E's and the AUII. Also show me one AUII or III XR6 that is 20k, I got my 8 for 17k and there are many nice examples of AUII XR6's (or 'monts, they came out in the AU aswell) for the 12k mark.

4. Here's a personal opinion anyway, just for good measure. Having owned both an AU and an EL I can tell you that the AU interior is in no way a step backwards, more comfortable and supportive seats and it looks better and that's both inside and out. Hell the AU interior is nicer than the BA and more comfortable, even my mrs says so (who drives both regularly, BA XR6 work car) and she hates my car.

Iphido · 19-12-2006, 09:59 PM

E are cheaper..

$6.5k for a immaculate EL Ghia with 4.0.. AU Ghia's are $8-10k+ for tired examples.

Ghias are good buys. $6.5k for a EL is a hell of a lot of car. Plenty quick, comfy, and still look nice.

Only buy a XR for a manual or a hi po version of the V8. Ghia has all the nice stuff for same money.

$12k and you could find a imaculate NL LTD/Ghia or a AU Ghia.

AU Ghia, dark colour, good km. Would be a nice buy.

b2tf · 19-12-2006, 10:10 PM

With your budget I'd go an AU2 model, either an XR, Fairmont or Ghia. Ghia's have the VCT engine or the 175kW V8, so either way you'll still get better than stock model performance. From there you'll have a perfect base to start modding it if you want to, or it will be just as good a car without mods.

An XR will cost more to insure so keep that in mind. If you can comfortably stretch to one go for it, but dont do it at the expense of having enough for regular upkeep etc.

chich · 19-12-2006, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RedXR8220

He is looking for facts, not personal opinions.

Have a read of my post again - 95% of what I stated is fact, not opinion.

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Originally Posted by RedXR8220

1. The price of insurance between an XR6 and an XR8 is a fair bit, trust me I have recently gone through this process.

Even if it is a significant difference, fact still remains that at 18 years old insuring anything perceived as a sportscar isn't going to cheap.

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2.The difference in insurance between a modded 'mont and an XR6 is not much different, my modded EL GLI was $700 a year and my modded AUII XR8 is $945 a year, not much difference there.

Thats like comparing apples to bananas. A modified EF XR6 will be more expensive to insure than a modified EF Ghia.

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3. You said it yourself, the EF/EL's are getting on in the years, 3-4 year diffence at best between the last of the E's and the AUII.

Just because the EF/EL's are getting on in the years doesn't mean they're no good. As an example, the condition of my 10yo EFII Fairmont leaves most EL's and AU's for dead in every area you care to critique.

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Also show me one AUII or III XR6 that is 20k, I got my 8 for 17k and there are many nice examples of AUII XR6's (or 'monts, they came out in the AU aswell) for the 12k mark.

Fair point but doesn't change the fact that 8 out of 10 people think the AU's is an ugly duckling.

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4. Having owned both an AU and an EL I can tell you that the AU interior is in no way a step backwards, more comfortable and supportive seats and it looks better and that's both inside and out. Hell the AU interior is nicer than the BA and more comfortable, even my mrs says so (who drives both regularly, BA XR6 work car) and she hates my car.

As i mentioned in my initial post, styling is a subjective thing and i personally (like the majority of the population) don't like the AU's interior or exterior. If you're happy with the styling of the AU then fair enough. At the end of the day its your money, your car and ultimately your decision.

XR8-260 · 19-12-2006, 10:18 PM

I like the look of the AUII and AUIIIs. AUI's look good with the tickford body kit.

RG · 19-12-2006, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by chich

Have a read of my post again - 95% of what I stated is fact, not opinion.

Fair enough but you said at the start of your post that you were stating your opinion

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Even if it is a significant difference, fact still remains that at 18 years old insuring anything perceived as a sportscar isn't going to cheap.

True

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Thats like comparing apples to bananas. A modified EF XR6 will be more expensive to insure than a modified EF Ghia.

They are both still fruit and since you will need to modify the ghia more to bring it up to the same standard (exhaust, suspension) it will be a "more highly modified" vehicle.

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Just because the EF/EL's are getting on in the years doesn't mean they're no good. As an example, the condition of my 10yo EFII Fairmont leaves most EL's and AU's for dead in every area you care to critique.

fair enough that your EF may be in good condition, so is my AUII and so was my EL with 450k on it ( it was a really nice looking example, you'd never guess the k's by looking at it). But it is a hell of a lot easier to find a good mint AUII or III than what it is to find even a decent EF/EL and the older the car is the more chance of something going wrong with it.

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Fair point but doesn't change the fact that 8 out of 10 people think the AU's is an ugly duckling.

Not my fault that you're all wrong :yeees:

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As i mentioned in my initial post, styling is a subjective thing and i personally (like the majority of the population) don't like the AU's interior or exterior. If you're happy with the styling of the AU then fair enough. At the end of the day its your money, your car and ultimately your decision.

It all comes down to personal taste, something you and I will never agree on but in relation to this post there is only one person that really needs to make his mind up and choose which he prefers.

Dave23 · 20-12-2006, 12:36 AM

Ive been 50/50 with the AU's. I personally like the look of the EL. But then again ive been told that the power of the AU's are better then the EL. If the EL had more power then the AU's capability then id 100% go for an EL.

Cheahman · 20-12-2006, 12:53 AM

Mate Id go the AUIII XR6 VCT. They really are awesome cars. I used to have a series 1. They handle really well, have plenty of power and you get plenty of features. Plus if you find one with a bodykit they look awesome. To me the el looks really old now and your gonna have more problems with it being an older car.

jspec_sti · 20-12-2006, 12:04 PM

Find some examples of each within your budget and test drive them.

Better still, find some nice twisty roads and test drive the E-Series and an AU with IRS along it.

Decide on which car YOU think is the one you want - it's your decision.

Personally, I owned an E-Series GLi, great car that gave me great service. However, test driving an AUIII XR8, the look of the AUIII XR8 with the Rebel Bodykit, and the roar of the 220kW Windsor with the foot down left with no option but to upgrade...